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Senators plan to revise, revive expansion of background checks for gun buyers
Washington Examiner ^ | 5/7/2013 | Susan Ferrechio

Posted on 05/08/2013 2:38:30 AM PDT by markomalley

Senators who support expanding criminal background checks for gun buyers said Tuesday that they intend to revive the legislation for a vote by this summer, though the measure won't be exactly the same as the one senators defeated a month ago.

The Senate last month fell four votes shy of approving landmark, bipartisan legislation authored by Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., and Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., that would have widened background checks to include firearms bought at gun shows or over the internet.

"Whenever the support and the time is right we will do it," Manchin said Tuesday.

Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin, D-Ill., who sets the chamber's floor schedule, told The Washington Examiner a bill could be brought up "at a moment's notice" and very soon.

"When we have five [additional] votes, it's time to call it," Durbin said.

Advocates for expanded background checks believe they have a better chance of succeeding now because a number of senators who helped kill the measure last month saw their poll numbers take a sudden plunge. The checks have up to 90 percent of the public's support in some polls following the massacre of school children at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut in December.

"The increasing fury back in the states is giving people a reason to think twice about this issue," Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., said Tuesday.

Supporters need 60 votes to advance background checks in the Senate, which means they must get five lawmakers to reverse their votes. To do that, lawmakers said some provisions may need to be rewritten to meet concerns those lawmakers have, like exempting online gun purchases between friends.

"We can't bring back the bill as is," Murphy said. "There are plenty of ways in which you can change the background check piece of the bill to allay those concerns."

He said other changes could include excluding gun buyers in rural areas and adding a provision that addresses mental health aspects of gun violence. Those issues were a big concern to Sens. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., and Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., two opponents who could reverse their votes.

Both Flake and Ayotte Tuesday denied reports that angry constituents are driving them to to reconsider their votes against the first background check measure.

Flake saw his approval rating plummet after he voted against the Toomey-Manchin measure in April.

"I voted against that for a reason and I'm not reconsidering my vote," Flake said Tuesday.

Flake said he opposed the definition of commercial sales in the original bill because he believed it was too broad and included, for example, sales on Craigslist.

"I doubt they could change it sufficiently [to win him over] because then they would lose votes on the Left," Flake said.

Ayotte, who was confronted about background check legislation by angry constituents at a recent town hall meeting, said she would consider new legislation if it's changed to meet her concerns.

"I support a bipartisan bill that would improve the background check system," Ayotte said. "I've supported and worked across the aisle on mental health issues, which is important, if we are going to address the underlying causes of violence. And increase resources for prosecution for these types of crimes."


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 2a; background; banners; guncontrol; secondamendment; senate

1 posted on 05/08/2013 2:38:30 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Yep! As soon as they find out they have not been reelected is the right time.


2 posted on 05/08/2013 2:40:30 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: markomalley

One of my OK Senators, Coburn, attempted to play ball with this crowd and got burned all the way around by constituents and the double-dealing crew of sponsors. I doubt there’s any way he’ll consider a vote change but I suppose it’s worth a letter to stiffen his spine.


3 posted on 05/08/2013 2:57:03 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: markomalley

Let’s face it - these goons won’t be happy until the Second Amendment is rescinded in all but name.

Their oath to uphold the constitution means nothing to them.


4 posted on 05/08/2013 2:57:55 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: markomalley

The poll includes people who would never vote for a moderate democrat or a republican anyway, it does not prove a loss of support for the senators who opposed this legislation.


5 posted on 05/08/2013 3:05:23 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Jack Hammer

The background check is only a slick way of being able to deny someone they don’t want to own a gun. They would (given their past record) only continuously expand the criteria for ownership until only but a certain percentage would be able to own one. We all know how the Feds use incrementalism to achieve their end goals. It would also give them a way to tie yet another group of records into their databases for instant access - your medical records. They already figured out a slick way to get access to all of our financial information with Obamacare. The elites want to be able to know everything about you but not the other way around.


6 posted on 05/08/2013 3:08:24 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: markomalley
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7 posted on 05/08/2013 3:09:37 AM PDT by CMailBag
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To: The Working Man
We need to keep the heat on these back-stabbers.

In short, the GOP is full of VILE members who'll sell us out in a heartbeat!

Here are the ones that I know about.
What do we do when our side is full of TRAITORS?
I submit the following for proof.

Check out this link, "Senate Republicans Willfully and Knowingly Lie to Their Constituents (vote to fund Obamacare)".And let's not forget Sen. John McCain, one of Conservatives worst enemies, saying 'I don't understand' GOP filibuster on guns.
Thanks to Cyropaedia for this:
8 posted on 05/08/2013 3:11:27 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: markomalley
"Whenever the support and the time is right we will do it," Manchin said Tuesday.

Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin, D-Ill., who sets the chamber's floor schedule, told The Washington Examiner a bill could be brought up "at a moment's notice" and very soon.

Scum.

9 posted on 05/08/2013 3:17:15 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: jsanders2001

Abso-effing-lutely.

And when the so-called “background check” is used to deny firearms to everyone who belongs to the political party out of office and out of favor, it will have reached its apotheosis.

And then it’ll be used to compile the list for confiscations.


10 posted on 05/08/2013 3:34:09 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: markomalley
excluding gun buyers in rural areas

Violation of the 14th Amendment's equal protections clause, if I'm not mistaken ...
11 posted on 05/08/2013 3:36:11 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: markomalley

Utter Astroturf.


12 posted on 05/08/2013 3:41:02 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: tanknetter
Let us review a part of a great speech.
13 posted on 05/08/2013 3:45:49 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Jack Hammer

They fear common people. They hate them. Their world is one where they are treated as princes, the smartest, best looking, guys in the room.

They can’t the thought of the peasants being armed.


14 posted on 05/08/2013 4:00:23 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: markomalley

Would be gun grabbers are still throwing that 90 percent number around? I thought that had been totally debunked. How embarrassing for him to still be trying to use it...


15 posted on 05/08/2013 4:18:41 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: jsanders2001

Exactly. The key word is incrementalism. Once the background check is passed with basic criteria (criminal records), the libs then could then add whatever they feel like down the road, such as your medical records (you should not own a gun if you are taking prescription drugs for instance), financial records (are you going through bankruptcy, you could snap etc). Its a slippery slope.

This Manchin guy, of all people. Who would have tagged him as the Feds go to guy for gun grabbing? West Va must be proud.


16 posted on 05/08/2013 4:25:38 AM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: markomalley
The increasing fury back in the states

Astroturf.

17 posted on 05/08/2013 4:26:42 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: markomalley

And WE THE PEOPLE PLAN TO RETIRE ANY OF YOU THAT TRY!

LLS


18 posted on 05/08/2013 4:29:00 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: markomalley

Toomey should be ridden out of Pa. on a rail.


19 posted on 05/08/2013 4:29:26 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: markomalley

By the way, there is no “fury” at town halls here in New Hampshire re: Ayotte’s vote. The ones screaming were well known leftwing agitators (astro turfers).


20 posted on 05/08/2013 4:30:00 AM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: markomalley

It’s amazing how much political capital they are willing to expend for a database full of the names of gun owners.


21 posted on 05/08/2013 4:38:08 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Life, liberty, property, family, RKBA, sovereignty, security, borders, independence, the oath.)
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To: markomalley; All

“We can’t bring back the bill as is,” Murphy said. “There are plenty of ways in which you can change the background check piece of the bill to allay those concerns.”


“We can’t bring back the bill as is,” Murphy said. “There are plenty of ways (to screw over the American people) in which you can change the background check piece of the bill to allay (appease the Fabian Socialists) those concerns.”

There, fixed it...Well, sort of...


22 posted on 05/08/2013 5:07:06 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: markomalley
Jackals and hyenas don't give up, they just keep circling.
23 posted on 05/08/2013 5:23:38 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: nhwingut

Isn’t it ironic that a party that was so antI- government in the past was usurped into one that trusts the government so blindly that they believe everything that they’re told including how to think by their greatest tool - the MSM. Critical thinking and common sense in the real world no longer exists because the socialist puppet masters have re-defined what they are according to their rules so that both are merely a mirage and not the real thing. The problem is the liberals don’t even know they’ve been deceived.


24 posted on 05/08/2013 5:26:39 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: markomalley

Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin, D-Ill., who sets the chamber’s floor schedule, told The Washington Examiner a bill could be brought up “at a moment’s notice” and very soon.”When we have five [additional] votes, it’s time to call it,” Durbin said.

That’s the game , right there.

All they need are five more solids and they vote and go on recess for summer.

They won’t be in session for the fall out.


25 posted on 05/08/2013 5:34:49 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Yosemitest
I have told these buffoons more times than I can count. Does anyone think they are listening to us? Gimme a break.

Boehner: I Don’t Need GOP to Pass Gun Law

NO MORE WRITING CONGRESS FROM THIS GUY - WHEN THE STUPID PARTY REELECTED THIS GUY TO THE WEEPER OF THE HOUSE I KNOW IT IS TRULY OVER. I find the GOP more despicable than the RAT party - at least in the later one would know how they will vote.
26 posted on 05/08/2013 8:16:10 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Cheerio

Vote against him, no matter who it is, and pray for a good conservative to primary him.


27 posted on 05/08/2013 8:17:40 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: markomalley

I heard Senator Kelly Ayotte on a Boston radio talk show yesterday.

Those “angry constituents,” according to the senator, are being bused in from out-of-state....she claims they’re not even New Hampshire residents.

Sen. Ayotte also said that Mikey Bloomberg is spending $750,000 on ads against her.

Kelly Ayotte also mentioned she is vehemently opposed to the internet sales tax and she intends to express her concerns to members of the House before they vote.


28 posted on 05/08/2013 11:04:35 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 4, 2008 and November 6, 2012.....Two days that will live in infamy!)
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To: markomalley

I thought background checks fell six votes short of the sixty required, not four votes short as mentioned in this article.

Did 54 senators vote “yea?”


29 posted on 05/08/2013 11:07:29 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 4, 2008 and November 6, 2012.....Two days that will live in infamy!)
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To: ThunderSleeps
Would be gun grabbers are still throwing that 90 percent number around?

Yep and we are going to be seeing it for a long time until some talking head gets burned big-time on a large national TV show by somebody with the following info...



L - I - E.

Actually, TWO lies.

There was only ONE poll (lie #1) and it never asked that question (lie#2).

It contained a vague question regarding only background checks.

38. Do you support or oppose requiring background checks for all gun buyers?

"Universal background checks" are NOT background checks.

What the neo-communists want with "Universal background checks" is a cross-linked database that includes medical records, prescription drug records, Military service records, credit scores, grade school and college records, school "resource officers" records, civil judgments, employee drug testing, etc, etc.

Essentially, any scrap of data that can be tied to you. At that point the benevolent shepards in our "most transparent" administration will set the sell / no sell bar as they see fit.

That is not the straightforward "do you have a felony conviction" check.

And the 90% figure?

They are referring to the Quinnipiac University poll from Feb, 2013.

It is a twisting of what was actually asked.

Yeah, I know, SHOCKING, right?

February 7, 2013 - Americans Back Women In Combat 3-1, But Less For Draft, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Support For Universal Gun Background Checks Is 92%

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail/?ReleaseID=1847

Demographics...

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/us/us02072013_demos.doc

The questions...

Word format
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/us/us02072013.doc

PDF format
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/us/us02072013.pdf

What is glaringly obvious by it’s absence is the exact description of what comprises a “universal background check” because it never did ask that question.

It also does not differentiate between a private sale and a FFL sale when referring to “gun buyers.”

Here is the actual question...

38. Do you support or oppose requiring background checks for all gun buyers?

So of course the question is vague in that it only says “background checks.”

NOT universal background checks.

But when it comes out of the neo-communists’ mouth it has transformed into...

SUPPORT FOR UNIVERSAL GUN BACKGROUND CHECKS IS 92%

Umm, no, that is NOT the question that was asked.

Quinnipiac University Polling Institute... Anti-American Citizens rights groups, Washington Examiner, you LIE.



One more thing...

Quinnipiac University
275 Mount Carmel Avenue
Hamden, Connecticut 06518.

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30 posted on 05/08/2013 3:26:01 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: markomalley

Only a leftard would think we should have greater background checks when we exercise our constitutional rights, but that it’s a crime to ask if someone is in our nation illegally.


31 posted on 05/09/2013 4:36:12 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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