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Now China Says It May Own Okinawa, Too
TBI ^ | 5-8-2013 | Agence France Presse

Posted on 05/08/2013 6:10:24 AM PDT by blam

Now China Says It May Own Okinawa, Too

Agence France Presse
May 8, 2013

US Sale Of Armed Drones To Japan And South Korea Would Transform Tensions In The Pacific China's top newspaper on Wednesday published a call for a review of Japan's sovereignty over the island of Okinawa -- home to major US bases -- with the Asian powers already embroiled in a territorial row.

The lengthy article in the People's Daily, China's most-circulated newspaper and the mouthpiece of the ruling Communist party, argued that the country may have rights to the Ryukyu chain, which includes Okinawa.

The island is home to major US air force and marine bases as well as 1.3 million people, who are considered more closely related to Japan in ethnic and linguistic terms than to China.

The authors of the article, two scholars at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, considered China's top state-run think-tank, said the Ryukyus were a "vassal state" of China before Japan annexed the islands in the late 1800s.

"Unresolved problems relating to the Ryukyu Islands have reached the time for reconsideration," wrote Zhang Haipeng and Li Guoqiang, citing post-World War II declarations that required Japan to return Chinese territory.

The article also repeated Chinese government arguments for China's historical claims over a set of tiny uninhabited islets in the East China Sea known as Diaoyu in Chinese and Senkaku in Japanese.

The two nations have stepped up a war of words over the dispute in recent months, with Beijing's vessels regularly entering the waters around the Tokyo-controlled islands, stoking fears of armed conflict.

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KEYWORDS: bhoasia; china; cicobama; japan; militarybase; okinawa; redchina; war
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1 posted on 05/08/2013 6:10:24 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

China is growing quickly, right in front of our eyes.

Yet we continue to help them grow.

China now exports more than America.

Yet we continue to help them grow.

The next time you shop for (anything) stop for a moment and ask, where was this (whatever) made.

Very likely it was made in China. Republicans and Democrats have both sent AMERICAN jobs to China now for several decades.

Well that is causing China to become very, very strong.

Bring back American jobs now. And do something about our international taxation laws please.

It should not be cheaper to export an American job, than to buy something made in America.

Buy American.


2 posted on 05/08/2013 6:14:12 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: blam

That ain’t gonna happen


3 posted on 05/08/2013 6:14:21 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: blam

Actually it belongs to us but who gives a damn.
Paid for with American lives.
What difference does it make?


4 posted on 05/08/2013 6:14:28 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: blam

Sounds like China would prefer to deal with a nuclear-armed Japan (as opposed to a nuclear-within-a-month-has-all-the-knowledge_but-no-arsenal Japan).


5 posted on 05/08/2013 6:18:31 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: TigersEye

Pei-Ping


6 posted on 05/08/2013 6:21:25 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Buy American.

How did you make this post?

American made computer?

7 posted on 05/08/2013 6:26:23 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: stuartcr

I don’t think so either. China is operating like nobama, threaten and make big trial balloon assertions more for intimidation and to get a settlement on some other theft (the other claimed island).


8 posted on 05/08/2013 6:26:34 AM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: blam

China has just as much a right to the Ryukyus as England has a right to Normandy and the Aquitaine.


9 posted on 05/08/2013 6:31:21 AM PDT by jdege
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To: blam

Good thing we let Bubba get off scott free for spoon feeding them reliable rocket technology, and letting them buy an aircraft carrier. It sure is one fine casino.


10 posted on 05/08/2013 6:36:35 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: tet68

My uncle took a little stroll across Okinawa once.
As far as I’m concerned the Marines own this island.


11 posted on 05/08/2013 6:37:23 AM PDT by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
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To: C210N

A basic Toyoda has more high tech than a nuke.
Also the Japanese have >9 tons of plutonium in stock.
And just for fun they want to reopen their reprocessing plant.


12 posted on 05/08/2013 6:39:35 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: blam

Has China officially claimed that little 10-mile X 10-mile diamond-shaped chunk of swamp along the Potomac yet?


13 posted on 05/08/2013 6:43:23 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Okinawa is part of Maine. Several members of my VFW claimed it for us during WWII.

It looks as if the CHICOM and The Albanians want to divide the world between them! Apparently the theory is that anywhere there once was a Chinese Laundry, or an Albanian Brothel, is their sovereign territory.

Leaves precious little of the planet for anyone else.

14 posted on 05/08/2013 6:47:02 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = No Criminal Charges Stick)
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To: blam

According to my research, I may be the rightful owner of Buckingham Palace.


15 posted on 05/08/2013 6:49:42 AM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Lord, confuse the wicked, confound their words, for I see violence and strife in the city.Psalms55:9)
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To: dagogo redux

They don’t have to. We already know they own it.


16 posted on 05/08/2013 6:51:58 AM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Lord, confuse the wicked, confound their words, for I see violence and strife in the city.Psalms55:9)
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To: blam

I think it’s high time the Japanese started having their own aircraft carriers again. They can do what the IJN did with it’s early battleships: adopt Brit designs (so build variants if the QE/PoW class, preferably with the cat/arrestor gear configuration).

They can top them off with the names Akagi and Kaga.

And then sit back and let the ChiComs freak.


17 posted on 05/08/2013 6:52:56 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: blam
Opening our markets to Chinese made goods is the biggest mistake the West has ever made and eventually....soon,in fact....will result in world upheaval of unimagined proportions.

Bad upheavals.

18 posted on 05/08/2013 7:06:26 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: blam

Molon Labe’


19 posted on 05/08/2013 7:08:44 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: blam

How long before they claim Danzig?


20 posted on 05/08/2013 7:09:20 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Most won’t pay for an American made shirt.

Triple (at least) the cost.

The only thing keeping inflation down is that we have exported our labor to slave economies and expanded credit to the moon.

I want to move the jobs back, but you have to be honest about the costs. Short term, our standard of living will take a huge hit when most can no longer afford the crap they buy now.


21 posted on 05/08/2013 7:09:28 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

Just saying...

I used to be pro-free markets.

China is abusing “free” markets. We need to climb off that pedestal and bring back US jobs.

It will be arduous, but it beats military defeat.

Which is how this is starting to play out.

Bring back American jobs. Now.


22 posted on 05/08/2013 7:11:56 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: blam

Pretty soon, you will see the Russians say that they have rights to Hokkaido, because they were “Granted” it during WWII.


23 posted on 05/08/2013 7:17:52 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Amen.

Been doing this for a long, long time. I haven’t often done without a certain item because I refuse to buy anything made in China.


24 posted on 05/08/2013 7:20:50 AM PDT by left that other site ((Ban the ubiquitous and deadly solvent, Di-hydrogen monoxide!!!))
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To: tanknetter

The Japanese are already building aircraft carrying combat ships in response to the Chinese:

http://www.jeffhead.com/worldwideaircraftcarriers/16ddh.htm

And they have a larger class in planning:

http://www.freewebs.com/jeffhead/worldwideaircraftcarriers/22ddh.htm

If the Japanese want to go to the next level (aircraft carriers carrying 70-90 aircraft), the Japanese will have a number of advantages over the Chinese including access to still secret US carrier design technology.


25 posted on 05/08/2013 7:21:55 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (Determined effort Today forges Tomorrow)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

You’ll have to wait until the bombs and bullets start flying before we can see have good or bad the Chinese military is ,right now it’s just a lot of TALK


26 posted on 05/08/2013 7:41:14 AM PDT by molson209
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
China is the slave economy of the old south. Slave labor creates a false economy and our stores are flooded with affordable items due to slavery in China.

Before 1865, in the Old South, slave labor enriched the southern plantation owners, bankers, newspaper owners and the top of the food chain. Slave labor and King Cotton ruled the day. Chinese slaves working for Foxconn make iphones, ipads and provide off shore profits for American Companies. Chinese Slavery makes the world turn today.

Suicide nets in Chinese manufacturing 'cities' that are fancy prison compounds are visible by satellite. Forced abortions, sleepless work days, and no hope for a future face the Chinese slaves day in and day out.

As long as it is out of sight and out of mind, Chinese Slavery is AOK with the Demoncrats and GOP.

How many millions of Chinese Slaves are there? Who cares.

27 posted on 05/08/2013 7:43:55 AM PDT by x_plus_one (John Ransom: truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)
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To: molson209

Agreed.

I do not WANT to find out how good anyone’s bombs or bullets are, but we are on a rapidly failing glide path.

Our nation runs a trillion or so in debt a year. Our unemployment is high, so we need to support people with government handouts.

We send our factories elsewhere, where we need to pay foreigners to make when we end up buying (sending more money elsewhere), and we have continued this short-sighted nonsense now for nearly three decades.

Yet we think this (helps) us?

Wake up. Bring back American jobs.


28 posted on 05/08/2013 7:45:26 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Again, that is fine. But I doubt the majority of people will see it that way. Also, let’s face it. Most people don’t want to make shirts or such things.


29 posted on 05/08/2013 7:45:47 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Your barking up the wrong tree bucko.

I might go for boycot China, but buy American what?


30 posted on 05/08/2013 7:55:26 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
How do you abuse a free market?

How do you move jobs? Do you box them up, or bottle them?

Does buying an inferior product made by Americans smack of racism or stupidity?

Speak of the underlying concepts of the problem and find answers, paint it with platitudes and get nowhere.

31 posted on 05/08/2013 7:59:46 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: redgolum

Look it goes (far) beyond shirts.

Go in any store. Any store. Anywhere in America.

Pick up anything. Or if it’s too big, tilt it over.

It will probably have been made in China.

Which means no Americans were hired, by the producer.

Which likewise means, someone in America is now on unemployment, collecting money from our government, to subsidize that things, so you can buy it.

Bring back US jobs.


32 posted on 05/08/2013 8:04:05 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: redgolum
Triple (at least) the cost.

We had another thread and did a cost analysis, a $14 shirt made in China would cost $16 man in the USA. More, but not a lot more.

33 posted on 05/08/2013 8:09:00 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: American in Israel
How do you abuse a free market?

How can you have a free market with a Communist Country?

34 posted on 05/08/2013 8:10:49 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

How can so called freedom loving people, like our resident free traders, be for commerce with a slave nation like China? The cognitive dissonance on display is astounding.


35 posted on 05/08/2013 8:13:12 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; central_va
CV,
Does that cost include employee health insurance, EPA/OSHA costs/ etc?

If a $14 dollar shirt will only cost $16 made in the US, then the textile market is a lot different from anything I have seen.

C.N.N. I agree with you. But can you get those living on the dole now to do the jobs? My plant pays north of $15 an hour, and we can't get people. This in an area with high unemployment. The reason? People get paid not to work, why would they go on shift?

Once you have been off work for eight months or so, it is hard to get them back.

36 posted on 05/08/2013 8:19:47 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: C210N
...as opposed to a nuclear-within-a-month...

Or nuked-up by the time you finish reading this post. They probably have all the components built, tested and sitting no further than 6" apart from each other awaiting assembly orders, and has probably had them there for decades.

37 posted on 05/08/2013 8:20:01 AM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: blam

“Okinawa has always been part of China”

Coming soon...

“The moon has always been part of China”


38 posted on 05/08/2013 8:21:30 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: blam
China is becoming a copy of 1930's Japan. The thing is, because China is officially a Communist country, they will get away with it while 1930's Japan was the bane of liberals everywhere (that was before Hiroshima and Nagasaki, when our war against Japan suddenly became "racist").

No matter how reactionary you are, if you call yourself a "Communist" no liberal will ever criticize you because of the golden rule of "no enemies on the left."

We should have declared ourselves officially a "Communist" country under Reagan and conquered the world!

39 posted on 05/08/2013 8:23:35 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: redgolum
Does that cost include employee health insurance, EPA/OSHA costs/ etc? If a $14 dollar shirt will only cost $16 made in the US, then the textile market is a lot different from anything I have seen.

The analysis is with $40.00 per hour workers in the US vs. virtually free Bangladesh labor. The other assumption was it takes 5 minutes of total labor to sew one shirt.

What Does that $14 shirt really cost?

See post Post 52

40 posted on 05/08/2013 8:28:50 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Captain Rhino

Plus the Japanese have carrier experience. It’s not recent but it is experience.


41 posted on 05/08/2013 8:31:12 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: central_va
Buy and sell without tariffs, that is a free market.

Why do we have to go to Fascism to trade with Communists?

Because if you concede that our Leaders have the right to skim the profits from imports, you are not free are you? You are owned. But hey, if anyone really believes that tariffs help the market, feel free to send me a dollar for every ten you spend next year on Chinese products. At least 10% of the money you spend will go to a real American.

Tariffs are foolish, just another tax scheme for the politicians to skim from.

If you really want Americans to have Jobs, ban the EPA. Not only will you save Billions, Americans will be once again able to compete with foreign markets.

And jobs will magically "move" back to America.

Given half a chance, America will produce more for less with a superior product than any other nation out there.

But With the EPA on your back, you cannot light a fire to get warm in a snowstorm.

The EPA and the Federal Government is your Job loss. China is just filling the void that the Government Goons created. If you nuked China into a smoking hole, you would still have your Buy American problem.

The "Buy American" mantra just reminds me of the baying of sheep. It is a rabbit trail that the Government is glad to promote because it keep you from addressing the real problem. "Buy American" is like taking an aspirin for a gunshot wound.

42 posted on 05/08/2013 8:40:46 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel
I guess George Washington was a fascist..

The 1st United States Congress, wanting a straightforward tax that was not too onerous and easy to collect, passed the Tariff of 1790. Signed into law by Washington himself.

43 posted on 05/08/2013 8:42:21 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: OftheOhio

My son’s one of those Marines stationed there. He also thinks he owns that island. LOL.


44 posted on 05/08/2013 8:49:19 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Buying Chinese has implications FAR beyond the geopolitical.

Is it safe?

The Chinese are the #1 importer of irradiated metal - a recent shipment of kitchenware was denied entry because it exceeded radiation standards in a random check. How many were let in because they were not randomly checked? If they can make a profit on 9 shipments and eat the loss of the 1 shipment sent back - they will do so. Personally I think that the idea we are catching 10% is an over estimation.

The Chinese routinely slip industrial chemicals into consumer products if they mimic a more expensive ingredient. Two Mexican children died from eating toothpaste from china.

The Chinese imported pet snacks that killed many U.S. pets. Is saving $1 or two on pet snacks worth the risk to your pet?

45 posted on 05/08/2013 8:53:49 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: redgolum

Shirts come from Indonesia, Vietnam and Latin America. We can only do business with those retailers who avoid China; this means staying away from Hobby Lobby and KMart, and not buying GM cars. Ever.


46 posted on 05/08/2013 9:01:46 AM PDT by steve8714 (Any homosexual man can marry any woman he wants. Just like any normal man.)
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To: Jack of all Trades

Please, Clinton was sooooo the 90’s. You’re showing your age by blaming our 21st Century problems on that conman.


47 posted on 05/08/2013 9:35:38 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: Kenny Bunk

My father shed blood on Okinawa in 1945. A teeny corner of it belongs to my family.

I’m willing to sell my share to some Chinese 1%’er grown fat on WalMart profits.


48 posted on 05/08/2013 9:37:20 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: central_va

Go on your merry way, bridge is out, buying popcorn.


49 posted on 05/08/2013 9:52:20 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: AppyPappy

They would do well to touch-up their damage-control procedures.


50 posted on 05/08/2013 9:54:43 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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