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Gun Bills Headed to the Texas Governorís Desk
Ammoland ^ | 7 May, 2013 | TSRA

Posted on 05/08/2013 6:35:04 AM PDT by marktwain

Houston, Tx --(Ammoland.com)- Today, May 6th 2013, two pro-gun bills finally passed in the Texas Legislature.

SB 864 by Senator Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels), the Senate companion to HB 47 by Representative Dan Flynn (R-Van), is headed toward the Governor’s desk. SB 864 will reduce the number of hours for a concealed handgun license to “not less than four or more than six” and will not include time on the shooting range or the range proficiency exam.

Rep. Flynn severs on the House Committee on Homeland Security and Public Safety. He’s a long-time friend to TSRA and to Texas gun-owners. This is Senator Donna Campbell’s first session in the Texas Legislature. Her counties include parts of Bexar, Travis, Guadalupe, and Hays plus all of Comal and Kendall County. We applaud her hard work and enthusiasm on behalf of Texans and CHLs.

SB 299 by Senator Craig Estes (R-Wichita Falls), the Senate companion to HB 1304 by Representative Kenneth Sheets (R-Dallas), is also headed to Governor Perry’s desk. SB 299 adds a more clear meaning in Texas law for “intentional failure to conceal” by a licensee.

Representative Kenneth Sheets serves on the House Committee on Homeland Security and Public Safety where he regularly adds his voice in support of law-abiding gun-owners and Texas concealed handgun licensees. Senator Craig Estes serves Texans in 14 North Texas counties and was awarded TSRA’s Legislator of the Year award for passing a comprehensive range protection bill in 2011.

Keep the Faith,

Sincerely,
Alice Tripp
Legislative DirectorTexas State Rifle Association

About:The Mission of the Texas State Rifle Association is to protect and defend the inalienable rights of the individual Texan to acquire, possess, transport, carry, transfer ownership and enjoy the right to lawful use of firearms for self preservation, for the defense of family and property and the common defense of the Republic and the individual liberties of the people. Visit: www.TSRA.com


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; guncontrol; perry; reform; secondamendment; tx
Not much detail about what the change in the laws will mean.
1 posted on 05/08/2013 6:35:05 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Not much. Very small changes this session including a shortened CHL class and a few other things. All pro-Constitution.

Campus carry is still up in the air in the Senate, and no chance of open carry this session.
2 posted on 05/08/2013 6:38:12 AM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: marktwain

Will save expensive hard to get ammo?!?!


3 posted on 05/08/2013 6:44:11 AM PDT by RAY (God Bless the USA!)
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To: marktwain

l reduce the number of hours for a concealed handgun license to “not less than four or more than six”

BTTT


4 posted on 05/08/2013 6:53:08 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: marktwain

Maybe they can drop the requirement to qualify with both a revolver and a semi auto if you wish to carry both.


5 posted on 05/08/2013 6:53:46 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: RAY
Will save expensive hard to get ammo?!?!

and will not include time on the shooting range or the range proficiency exam.

That would be a yes to your question.

6 posted on 05/08/2013 6:54:07 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Yo-Yo

Are you sure that is a requirement?

TEXAS CONCEALED HANDGUN LAWS
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/InternetForms/Forms/CHL-16.pdf


7 posted on 05/08/2013 6:55:59 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Yo-Yo

Sorry, I found it. You are correct. I word searched for “revolver” in the laws and did not see it. Searching for “category” to me to it.

That should be removed, in my opinion as well.


8 posted on 05/08/2013 6:59:39 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Yo-Yo
Maybe they can drop the requirement to qualify with both a revolver and a semi auto if you wish to carry both.

Ummm... IIRC when I was licensed if you qualed with revolver you were licensed for revolver - if you qualed with pistol you were licensed for either.

9 posted on 05/08/2013 7:01:48 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: Yo-Yo
Maybe they can drop the requirement to qualify with both a revolver and a semi auto if you wish to carry both.

That's not the current requirement. It is that 1. If you qualify with a revolver you may only carry a revolver; 2. If you qualify with a s/a you may carry a s/a and/or a revolver.

10 posted on 05/08/2013 7:02:31 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything + 969)
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So I stand (partially) corrected. So if you qualify with a revolver, you must wait for your renewal class to qualify with a semi-auto before you can carry.

To me that's still a little too nanny-state to me. You are being taught when and when not to use deadly force, you are being taught the moral and legal consequences of carrying concealed, you are being taught where you can and cannot carry, and you must pass a 250 round course of fire.

After all that, does it really matter if you qualified with a revolver and two years later you decide to buy a Glock?

You could qualify with a Ruger Mark III and be licensed to carry a .50AE Desert Eagle, but if you qualify with a Smith & Wesson Model 19 .357 Magnum you can't carry a Ruger SR22P?

11 posted on 05/08/2013 7:10:13 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Yo-Yo

“Maybe they can drop the requirement to qualify with both a revolver and a semi auto if you wish to carry both.”

This is not the case now!!!

If you qualify with a pistol (semi-auto), you do not have to qualify with a revolver. If you qualify with a revolver, then you are restricted to revolvers and must qualify with a pistol to remove the restriction.


12 posted on 05/08/2013 7:10:55 AM PDT by CenTex (November 6, 2012... A day that will live in infamy!!!)
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To: CenTex

See post 11.


13 posted on 05/08/2013 7:13:07 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Yo-Yo

I guess the thinking is that any fool can run a revolver but it takes extra skill to run a pistol.

Be that as it may, the best strategy for qualifying is to use a pistol, even if you have to borrow or rent one.


14 posted on 05/08/2013 7:19:29 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything + 969)
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To: Yo-Yo

Looks like the new bill with not change SA vs NSA requirement.

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/83R/billtext/html/SB00864I.HTM


15 posted on 05/08/2013 7:19:47 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Yo-Yo
You're on point with the revolver and pistol category thing...
Like most laws they didn't think it through - for the case of a wheelgun "upgrade" to pistol there could be a practical test to verify proficiency, which is probably at the root of the category thing; anybody can shoot a revolver but to be safe with a pistol you have to know the weapon.
Which of course breaks down in practical use because as a 1911 shooter and that's what I carry, I would need some instruction to be safe with any pistol that uses a decocker, for instance. Perhaps vice-versa for others. You can see how that (a proficiency test prior to re-issuance) would be complicated.

On the caliber, you must qualify with a centerfire - I think 9mm was the smallest round you could use - so you would not qual with a MkIII and then carry an Eagle (even if you could conceal one!).

16 posted on 05/08/2013 7:20:23 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: grobdriver

I looked it up. The minimum is .32


17 posted on 05/08/2013 7:27:37 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: grobdriver
Oh, and while I'm playing 'remove the foot from the mouth,' the course of fire is 50 rounds, 250 points scored on a standard B-27 silhouette.
18 posted on 05/08/2013 7:29:52 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Yo-Yo
Maybe they can drop the requirement to qualify with both a revolver and a semi auto if you wish to carry both.

Simply qualify with a pistol and you can carry a revolver legally. IF you qualify with a revolver you are restrcited to a revolver but no restriction if you qualify with a pistol.

19 posted on 05/08/2013 7:40:03 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew Obfuscation)
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You could qualify with a Ruger Mark III and be licensed to carry a .50AE Desert Eagle,

No, you can't qualify with a handgun which shoots rimfire ammo. Centerfire only. Once qualified, you can carry a .22 rimfire if you wish (but it is not recommended to pi$$ off a potential victim).

20 posted on 05/08/2013 7:43:51 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew Obfuscation)
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To: Yo-Yo
the course of fire is 50 rounds, 250 points

Heh.
Missed that.

21 posted on 05/08/2013 7:49:55 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: Yo-Yo

If you qualify with semi auto, you can carry both. However, if you qualify with the revolver, you can only carry the revolver.


22 posted on 05/08/2013 8:01:14 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 3Fingas

mean to say pistol. But, that point will be moot if they do away with the range time requirement.


23 posted on 05/08/2013 8:03:09 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: marktwain

Texas needs open carry. Contrary to what many people think, Texas isn’t really all that gun-friendly.


24 posted on 05/08/2013 9:52:11 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: marktwain

I’m confused. Are they removing the handgun proficiency test or not? If they remove that, there can be no categories of handguns to carry, which is fine by me.


25 posted on 05/08/2013 9:57:11 AM PDT by Double Tap
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Got this in email from the NRA this morning:

Senate Bill 299 / House Bill 1304 by state Senator Craig Estes (R-Wichita Falls) and state Representative Kenneth Sheets (R-Dallas) protects against charges of unlawful carry for the inadvertent or accidental display of a handgun by a Concealed Handgun Licensee. SB 299 was taken up in lieu of HB 1304 on the House floor and will be the bill that goes to Governor Perry for his signature.

Senate Bill 864 / House Bill 47 by state Senator Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels) and state Representative Dan Flynn (R-Van) reduces the minimum number of required classroom training hours for original and renewal Concealed Handgun Licenses from 10-15 to 4-6. This change would make it far more convenient for CHL applicants to obtain a license to carry and exercise their right to self-defense. SB 864 was taken up in lieu of HB 47 on the House floor and will be the bill that goes to Governor Rick Perry for his signature.

26 posted on 05/08/2013 10:34:18 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: thackney; RAY

“Will save expensive hard to get ammo?!?!

and will not include time on the shooting range or the range proficiency exam.

That would be a yes to your question”

I think you misread that. All that means is that the time spent on the shooting range will not be counted as part of the 4 to 6 hours of required classroom time.

You still need to qualify at the range, which means still having to shoot hard-to-find ammo.


27 posted on 05/08/2013 11:33:42 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: Double Tap

No, they are not. Just reducing the hours of classroom time.


28 posted on 05/08/2013 11:34:15 AM PDT by green iguana
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