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Ted Cruz, Originalism, and the “Natural Born Citizen” Requirement
National Review ^ | 05/08/2013 | Ed Whelan

Posted on 05/08/2013 8:03:24 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Jeff Winston

I’m not asking your opinion.

You in 376 agree that 301(a) does not declare an individual to be a natural born citizen.

You know that Article II specifies natural born citizen.

You know the law you cite does not support your claim. Focus on the law as written. It specifies “citizen”. It is a naturalization statute. What if this statute did not exist?


381 posted on 05/15/2013 10:19:34 AM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Ray76
You in 376 agree that 301(a) does not declare an individual to be a natural born citizen.

It doesn't declare them to be citizens of the state they live in, either.

But if they are US citizens, then they are also citizens of the State they live in.

So it says they're a US citizen. It doesn't explicitly state that they are a STATE citizen. But by implication, as long as they actually live in a State, they are.

And if they are BORN US citizens, then that almost certainly makes them "NATURAL BORN" citizens, and eligible to be President.

But go on. Ignore all the stuff that's going on that's the really important stuff, and the stuff on which people might actually make a difference. You could be calling your Congressman and demanding an independent special prosecutor to look into the Obama Adminstration's various abuses of power.

But no. You'd rather waste people's time on a stupid fantasy without any basis in history or law, and without the slightest hope of doing any good whatsoever.

382 posted on 05/15/2013 5:01:21 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Nero Germanicus
Now I’m sure that you understand and I’m happy to read that you have acknowledged that the original jurisdiction judge in Purpura & Moran v. Obama did indeed include cited legal precedent in his opinion.

You need to review what I said earlier which was:

We've already discussed Purpura elsewhere. The court's claims are not backed up by any legal citations, while the principle I'm talking about was brought up first in Shanks v. Dupont, affirmed in U.S. v. Rhodes and then affirmed again by U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark.

You avoided posting any direct citations, and now we see why. The few sentences this court quoted do not back up its claims. As I said, the only thing that even mentions natural-born citizen is from a citation that makes Obama a British subject.

Perhaps you’ll also be interested to learn that when a three judge panel of the New Jersey Appellate Court was asked to review the Purpura, Moran v. Obama decision, their affirmation of the initial ruling stated, in part: “We have carefully considered appellants’ arguments and conclude that these arguments are without merit. R. 2:11-3(e)(1)(E). We affirm substantially for the reasons set forth in ALJ Jeff S. Masin’s THOROUGH and THOUGHTFUL written opinion of April 10, 2012, as adopted by the Secretary on April 12, 2012.”

Why would this be interesting?? It's a blanket statement that also fails to give any direct legal citations that supports it claims. There's no compelling argument here. You keep proving my point over and over and over for me. br

383 posted on 05/15/2013 6:51:28 PM PDT by edge919
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To: Nero Germanicus; Jeff Winston

If Mitzi Torri, Attorney for IRS, New Orleans office, made any threats against you or others under any of her pseudonyms, please forward the screenshots and links to orly.taitz@gmail.com

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384 posted on 05/16/2013 7:15:02 PM PDT by ObligedFriend
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To: ObligedFriend

Any IRS employee who’s made threats against anybody should be arrested. And charged. Plain and simple.


385 posted on 05/16/2013 7:57:08 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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