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The Man Who Turned Off Cookies In Firefox Doesn't Care If It Hurts Advertisers
Business Insider ^ | 5/8/13 | Jim Edwards

Posted on 05/09/2013 2:39:15 AM PDT by LibWhacker

Jonathan Mayer is the man who turned off third-party cookies in upcoming versions of Firefox. (Cookies are the little bits of code that web sites drop onto your browser as you surf so that advertisers can target you with ads.)

He just told AdExchanger that he no longer cares what advertisers think about privacy and cookies, because they've lost that debate.

His Twitter account has been a brutal stream of sarcasm about advertisers who want a solution that leaves cookies in place.

Mayer's move has angered advertisers, who were in the midst of negotiations for an industry-wide standard on tracking cookies when it happened. Advertisers want the cookies left on by default, with an option for users to turn them off if they want more privacy. The Firefox move keeps them off by default, and users must choose to turn them on.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: advertisers; cookies; evil; firefox
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1 posted on 05/09/2013 2:39:15 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

There is something sad about someone whose life is so empty that it can be made happier by reading ads and by shopping.


2 posted on 05/09/2013 2:43:26 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: LibWhacker

Don’t use Google, etc.. Use this one, no cookies, no tracking, very private;

https://www.ixquick.com/


3 posted on 05/09/2013 2:43:35 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Http://duckduckgo.com

End the internet search bubble....


4 posted on 05/09/2013 2:56:39 AM PDT by petro45acp (It's a fabian thing.....how do you boil a frog? How's that water feelin right about now?)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

THANKS!


5 posted on 05/09/2013 3:04:21 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: LibWhacker
FreeRepublic:

You must be a registered member to log on. A cookie-enabled web browser is required.

6 posted on 05/09/2013 3:15:22 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: LibWhacker

bfl


7 posted on 05/09/2013 3:25:29 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: LibWhacker

WHile cookies do have some uses I am ok with [identifying me as “principled” so I can post for example], cookies TO ME seem to have a ton more bad things about them.

I do like being able to turn them off and on individually. And golly, still no shortage of refi adds.

Scripts too. FR only runs google analytics. Most sites try to run 10 and cross site scripts are everywhere. FF allows me to select/deselect those too. Son few cookies and almost no scrips, I really see no banners or any moving adds. Makes these internets almost ok.

Allowing all cookies and scripts is like going to Chicago at night and walking around anywhere - with no protection. It’s not going to end well.


8 posted on 05/09/2013 3:26:29 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Graybeard58

Want FR to be able to know what you’ve seen, and when you have new pings available? Then FR needs cookies enabled for their site. It’s that simple. Many sites need that to work properly. That’s a very different thing from having 12 cookies accessed when browsing an ad-heavy site.


9 posted on 05/09/2013 3:29:24 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: LibWhacker
Ghostery

Ghostery™ sees the invisible web - tags, web bugs, pixels and beacons. Ghostery tracks the trackers and gives you a roll-call of the ad networks, behavioral data providers, web publishers, and other companies interested in your activity.

10 posted on 05/09/2013 3:31:55 AM PDT by tomkat ( yo ! tyrannis delenda est !)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Yep, used it for years.


11 posted on 05/09/2013 3:41:41 AM PDT by Average Al
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Have been using IXQuick recently since you or another FReeper recommended it. Works well enough but doesn’t always give me very many links to choose. Wonder why. Still using it as default search engine.


12 posted on 05/09/2013 3:44:24 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: FreedomPoster
Many sites need that to work properly. That’s a very different thing from having 12 cookies accessed when browsing an ad-heavy site.

I didn't say otherwise.

Only that the new version of Fire Fox will come with cookies disabled and you must enable cookies to browse F.R. while signed in.

13 posted on 05/09/2013 3:45:19 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Pollster1

I will tell you what it is, and you shouldn’t really criticize, there are many bad people out there who have devastated good people. Shopping for something online makes the buyer feel as though they have some relevance, some element of control in the swirling maelstrom of evil in which they find themselves flailing around. It really doesn’t help but there is a moment of gratification.


14 posted on 05/09/2013 3:52:22 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Graybeard58

No need to worry about that. The first time you visit FR with the new Firefox it will ask you if you want cookies enabled for this site. Check yes and you’re golden.


15 posted on 05/09/2013 3:53:33 AM PDT by HalfIrish
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To: Graybeard58
A cookie-enabled web browser is required.

You control that. You give permission, in other words, for FR to leave cookies. This article is about all the commercially-created cookies you don't even know about.

16 posted on 05/09/2013 3:55:05 AM PDT by BfloGuy (Don't try to explain yourself to liberals; you're not the jackass-whisperer.)
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To: HalfIrish

so FF will ask per website? some I need cookies for.


17 posted on 05/09/2013 4:07:19 AM PDT by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: tomkat

Ghostery

Ghostery™ sees the invisible web - tags, web bugs, pixels and beacons. Ghostery tracks the trackers and gives you a roll-call of the ad networks, behavioral data providers, web publishers, and other companies interested in your activity.


For some reason, Ghostery™ disables “Discus.” Too bad, because lots of websites seem to be moving to that for their “Comments” section.


18 posted on 05/09/2013 4:09:56 AM PDT by Peet (Come back with a warrant.)
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To: VaRepublican

Yes. In addition, the very capable coder of this site will be able to insert laguage telling Firefox to allow the cookies. So it’s really a non-issue.


19 posted on 05/09/2013 4:11:43 AM PDT by HalfIrish
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To: LibWhacker

We have FireFox, Chrome, and Explorer at work. Not all sites work equally well with all browsers.


20 posted on 05/09/2013 4:12:01 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: LibWhacker

Good... I like this guys thinking. I DECIDE if I want to buy something and I do not want snake-oil salesmen harping while I read.

LLS


21 posted on 05/09/2013 4:22:39 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Graybeard58

But only one time and then until it expires... you are good to go.

LLS


22 posted on 05/09/2013 4:23:30 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: yldstrk

Really? All of this time and I was thinking that I was just saving money shopping online for needed items.

LLS


23 posted on 05/09/2013 4:26:06 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Graybeard58
FreeRepublic: You must be a registered member to log on. A cookie-enabled web browser is required.

There's a difference between that and "third party", or "tracking" cookies. In general, you should be able to allow a site to store stateful information about you via cookies without letting every ad on that site be able to track you likewise.

24 posted on 05/09/2013 4:29:59 AM PDT by kevkrom
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To: exDemMom

I abandoned FF for chrome because FF gathered so much baggage some sites ceased to function well.


25 posted on 05/09/2013 4:37:03 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: FreedomPoster; Graybeard58
Then FR needs cookies enabled for their site. It’s that simple.

The article says that FF will only turn off THIRD PARTY cookies. Meaning if you browse freerepublic.com, then FR will be able to set cookies, but other sites that are part of the page (like google analytics) would not.

What this will mean is that advertisers will then just demand that each web site install a proxy that will make it look like the advertiser is setting cookies from that site instead of from the advertiser's site.

26 posted on 05/09/2013 4:37:18 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

This looks the same as:

https://startpage.com/

Is it the same search page? The one I use, btw. I hate Google.


27 posted on 05/09/2013 4:40:23 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: LibWhacker

Add the AdAware plugin and FF is pretty decent.


28 posted on 05/09/2013 4:45:27 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Principled
I spend about 30-40 minutes each morning browsing several news and investment sites, including FR.

Using Firefox with AdBlocker, NoScript, and PrefBar makes it possible. I see no ads, no graphics, no Flash .... just the text.

If I had to wait for all that background crap to load at each site it might well take two hours to see everything I see in one fourth that time.

29 posted on 05/09/2013 4:51:24 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I call it messin' with the kid.)
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To: Peet
Each tracker/bug/etc can be individually switched on/off either globally or for specific pages and/or sites only.

To save the switching on/off bother, simply add Disqus to your whitelist.

30 posted on 05/09/2013 4:55:41 AM PDT by tomkat ( yo! > tyrannis delenda est !)
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To: LibWhacker

I use the freeware version of DoNotTrack [IE and Firefox versions]

https://www.abine.com/how-donottrackme-works/

and the Firefox add-on Adblock Plus

http://adblockplus.org/en/firefox

==

A bigger problem is the rapid release insanity from Mozilla/Firefox. They are up to version 21 or so. I am stuck at 15.

If I update to 21, I lose several add-ons that the developers quit updating.

If I stay at 15, I lose a tunnel security program, because it no longer supports older versions of Firefox. In all probability, many websites will force upgrades. And I get tired of the new conflicts with new updates.

Around FF version 12, Firefox and Adobe Flash had massive conflicts. Upgrade Flash, and Firefox crashed. Update Firefox and Flash would not run.


31 posted on 05/09/2013 5:12:06 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: LibWhacker

This is set by me in IE settings under Tools>internet options>privacy (low, medium high slider)

but I dont see that option under firefox>tools>options>privacy or security.


32 posted on 05/09/2013 5:15:19 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: LibWhacker

It no longer matters. The Internet Sales Tax will kill the internet.


33 posted on 05/09/2013 5:16:44 AM PDT by Patriot365
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To: Pollster1

Ad revenue keeps the net free.

As it declines (and it is diving), you will see more and more pay sites.

Of course you now have a generation raised to expect everything for free.


34 posted on 05/09/2013 5:20:05 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Patriot365
Occasionally one still needs to close their tags : </hyperbole>
35 posted on 05/09/2013 5:20:09 AM PDT by tomkat ( yo! > tyrannis delenda est !)
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To: LibWhacker

I betcha some of them were in favor of the upcoming Internet tax too.


36 posted on 05/09/2013 5:21:18 AM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: Resettozero

“Works well enough but doesn’t always give me very many links to choose.”

Well, it searches google, bing, jeeves, etc.. It gives the highest rated links. I always find whatever I’m looking for.


37 posted on 05/09/2013 5:34:13 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: WKUHilltopper

“Is it the same search page?”

It appears to be. If you go there, and click on the word “private,” it opens another page that is titled Startpage, by Ixquick.”


38 posted on 05/09/2013 5:37:06 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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Not to get too technical, but there’s a legacy file in Windows (and most OSs) called hosts.

When your computer looks up the address of a URL, hosts is checked before running a DNS lookup.

There are several sites on the web that have hosts file samples that are filled with advertiser sites, but the address has been overwritten to point to your computer’s internal adapter address.

This offers two benefits.

1) You don’t see the ads that are redirected.

2) The lookup is almost immediate so pages load faster.

The downside is you’re get boxes of “page cannot be displayed” where the ads were supposed to show. If find this to be less annoying than ad saturation.

Been doing this for a few years. The only problem site I’ve come across is Hulu. They seem to be able to detect if their commercials don’t load. Most sites just assume the ads load.

It doesn’t take care of all ads, but it gets quite a few of them for me.


39 posted on 05/09/2013 5:37:16 AM PDT by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: LibWhacker

“an industry-wide standard on tracking”

Turn off third-party cookies!!!!


40 posted on 05/09/2013 5:39:26 AM PDT by G Larry (Darkness Hates the Light)
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To: redgolum
Ad revenue keeps the net free.

I don't object to the presence of ads. I just am not impressed with the stuff they say we can buy to clutter our lives. If I actually need something, I'll figure that out without an anorexic/silicone-enhanced actress promoting the product. If I don't need what they're selling, then I am better off if I can find another path to fulfillment. I do follow blog links from FR often, just to give them the hits - the blogger just has to post enough that it's clear they earned the hit, and even if they post the whole commentary, I'll follow the link to give them the hit. I just don't follow online ads any more than I guide my purchases based on other ads.


41 posted on 05/09/2013 5:41:15 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Thanks again. Think I’m going to try another similar search engine for a while now.


42 posted on 05/09/2013 5:41:27 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Principled

No Script
http://noscript.net/


43 posted on 05/09/2013 5:42:24 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: sickoflibs

It’s under privacy, “Accept third party cookies” (at least on the two versions I have here).


44 posted on 05/09/2013 5:43:26 AM PDT by Darth Reardon (Is it any wonder I'm not the president?)
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To: LibWhacker

I recall Dishnetwork had a real ruckus on their hands when they came out with their new “Hopper” DVr, it automatically removed all commercials from any recording.

Its rather hard to imagine an advertising free world unless you are a monk in a monastery halfway up the Himalayas.

it really pisses me off the daily intrusion, the myriads of ways they want to dominate your whole day trying to manipulate your spending, I see a revolution on the horizon, a virtual war against the out of control intrusion upon our privacy my advertisers.

Thats why I like Fr so much, ZERO advertising, Thanks again Jim for not getting on the advertising train tracks!


45 posted on 05/09/2013 5:52:58 AM PDT by Spartan302 (Spartans never quit, they come back later with more warriors.)
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To: Darth Reardon

I just found it on Firefox site, those options dont appear till I pick:

‘use custom settings for history’

Then they all show up on that control box.

Thanks


46 posted on 05/09/2013 5:56:31 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Spartan302
it really pisses me off the daily intrusion, the myriads of ways they want to dominate your whole day trying to manipulate your spending

By getting pissed off you are letting them manipulate you in a different way. I prefer to just ignore them. I have better things to waste anger on. They don't control my spending and they don't affect my emotions either.
47 posted on 05/09/2013 6:05:36 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: tomkat

I use Ghostery and I love it. I’ll see Ghostery list twenty or even thirty trackers on a single page; by ignoring them, the page comes up in half the time, or less.


48 posted on 05/09/2013 6:08:46 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Peet

Just enable Discus by hand. Once and done.


49 posted on 05/09/2013 6:09:23 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Don’t use Google, etc.. Use this one, no cookies, no tracking, very private;

https://www.ixquick.com/

This article has nothing to do with Google or Ixquick (search engines). Using ixquick won't help you avoid cookies, it just makes your searches anonymous. Your browser allows or denies cookies as you arrive at sites, how you found the search result has nothing to do with the process. Check your browser settings, surf using a proxy, or use the Tor browser.

50 posted on 05/09/2013 6:21:13 AM PDT by RobertClark (My shrink just killed himself - he blamed me in his note!)
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