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Russia showcases military pomp for Victory Day
The Telegraph via Drudge ^ | 3:30PM BST 09 May 2013 | Edited for Telegraph.co.uk by Barney Henderson

Posted on 05/09/2013 9:56:10 AM PDT by F15Eagle

The freedom not to condemn Stalin's atrocities under Putin has given new strains to the cult of personality that dictated Soviet life.

A group of Communist supporters on Wednesday even unveiled a bust of the wartime leader in the Far Eastern city of Yakutsk.

Putin's military plan has put pressure on other sectors of Putin's budget and on outdated Soviet-era military factories that are unable to cope with the sudden surge in demand for a new generation of weaponry.

Putin has expressed repeated frustration at the military churning out products such as tanks and weapons systems that cost more than their Western rivals while often failing in reliability tests.

The Kremlin chief said on Thursday that the extra military spending was needed to secure Russia's role as a guarantor of peace across the world.

"We will do all we can to strengthen security on the planet," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: putin; russia; stalin
Worry not; Comrade Obama has more "flexibility" after the election.
1 posted on 05/09/2013 9:56:10 AM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: haffast; Tailgunner Joe

Putin wants ‘peace’ all over the globe, according to the article.


2 posted on 05/09/2013 9:56:55 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

V.E. Day is a BIG deal in Russia. Much moreso than in America.


3 posted on 05/09/2013 10:05:06 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges
V.E. Day is a BIG deal in Russia. Much moreso than in America.

If the Germans had done to America what they did to Russia, there would nothing between the Rhine and Oder except a sheet of glass.

4 posted on 05/09/2013 10:14:51 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

There’s a general feeling that it was the Soviets who defeated the Nazis.


5 posted on 05/09/2013 10:15:44 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Because it is pretty much true.

The Red Army tied down about 70% of the German Army throughout the war and most of the best troops until close to the end. The US/UK part of the wartime alliance did not have to face the cream of the crop panzer and Waffen SS divisions until September of 1944.


6 posted on 05/09/2013 10:36:20 AM PDT by L,TOWM (No one in the US is free of the spirit of entitlement)
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To: Borges

With the exception of New Years, it is the biggest holiday there.

Here, very few people even know the date. Probably less than 1%


7 posted on 05/09/2013 10:38:05 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: Borges
There’s a general feeling that it was the Soviets who defeated the Nazis

The Soviets and Nazis held that view. Towards the end of the War there were about 300 Soviet Divisions on the Eastern Front and 100 Allied Divisions on the Western Front vs about 250 German Divisions. Stalin's greatest fear (and the German general staff's greatest hope) was that the Western Allies would throw in their lot with the Germans to defeat the Soviets.

U.S. Divisions had much greater effective firepower because of overwhelming numerically and qualitatively superior artillery and logistics compared to either the Germans or Russians. The U.S. also had near total air superiority and would have made short work of the Soviet Air Force had they confronted them.

8 posted on 05/09/2013 10:39:57 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: F15Eagle

9 posted on 05/09/2013 11:22:03 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Borges
The Americans and the British faced a Nazi war machine 2/3 smaller than that faced by the Russians.

Jawohl, we kicked NAZI ass, but it was the hordes of Mother Russia that ground'em up and eventually spit'em out at the cost of 15 million military casualties alone, and about double that amount in the civilian sector. Of course, Stalin had killed about that many BEFORE the war!

Of course, we supplied and financed them, but it was The Eastern Front that cracked the NAZIs, if for no other reason than that they could not use those over 500 Divisions against us in the West.

No need to get sentimental about it. Few of today's pubic skrool gradiates even know who fought whom in WWII, not to mention that NAZI Germany and Soviet Russia were allies at the beginning and divided Poland between them. The Russkis had to change sides simply because the NAZIs (foolishly) attacked THEM! Technically speaking, the Soviets were not our "allies." They were "co-belligerents." And, NS, they did the heavy lifting in WWII for us.

10 posted on 05/09/2013 11:40:21 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Obama" The Movie. Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica." .)
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To: L,TOWM
“The Red Army tied down about 70% of the German Army throughout the war and most of the best troops until close to the end. The US/UK part of the wartime alliance did not have to face the cream of the crop panzer and Waffen SS divisions until September of 1944.”

Nonsense! The Afrika Korps and the German troops the Americans fought in Sicily and Italy were some of the best units in the world. Omaha beach was such a bloodbath because it was defended by one of the best infantry divisions in the Wehrmacht.

11 posted on 05/09/2013 3:29:15 PM PDT by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: HenpeckedCon

>>>Nonsense! The Afrika Korps and the German troops the Americans fought in Sicily and Italy were some of the best units in the world. Omaha beach was such a bloodbath because it was defended by one of the best infantry divisions in the Wehrmacht.<<<

The scale of these battles is nowhere near Eastern Front. Omaha beach couldn’t even get close to a slowest hour in a battle of Stalingrad.
German casualties were piling at a rate of 20,000 there, daily.


12 posted on 05/09/2013 6:20:07 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: F15Eagle

>>>The freedom not to condemn Stalin’s atrocities under Putin has given new strains to the cult of personality that dictated Soviet life.<<<

It is a pretty misleading statement.


13 posted on 05/09/2013 6:22:00 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: HenpeckedCon

Any infantry division numbered in the 350’s is not one of the “best” units in any army. Omaha was a bloodbath for the same reason every opposed amphibious landing is a bloodbath — a frontal assault against a dug in enemy when the attacking force has absolutely no cover is typically the costliest military operation performed.

The Africa Korps and the units that reinforced the DAK after being they were beaten by Montgomery (think about that for a minute...) surrendered en masse in May of ‘43 and the only decent division in Sicily was the Hermann Goring division that had acted as a theater reserve in Italy with minimal combat experience. The HG division had good equipment, but was around mostly to impress the Italians.

I stand by my original statement. The Germans had 30 total panzer divisions in early ‘44, 26 of them were in Russia.


14 posted on 05/09/2013 6:47:30 PM PDT by L,TOWM (No one in the US is free of the spirit of entitlement)
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