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americanthinker.com ^ | 5-9-2013 | Bernie Reeves

Posted on 05/09/2013 1:57:32 PM PDT by servo1969

Driving along at 35 MPH on a 2-lane avenue around 10 PM, a single headlight appeared in my car's path. I swerved onto a side street, shaken and uncomprehending. Leering down at me, astride a high tech bike, I could see in the light of the street lamp the person responsible for the near-miss. I rolled down the window and said -- remaining surprisingly noncombative -- "Hey man, I barely missed hitting you. You could have been killed."

Expecting a thank you or an apology, instead I was the victim of an insane tirade, to the effect: "Hey buddy, you couldn't kill me. You don't know my strength." Taken aback, I realized he had been "playing chicken" by pointing his bike at my car in my lane on purpose. My dander was up. "Are you crazy?" I asked.

He replied: "You old people in your gas-guzzlers need to die."

A week later, I narrowly missed a jogger, once again in my lane, heading right into me on a curve. I swerved and looked back. The runner had stopped 30 yards behind me, hands on hips, defiantly gesticulating, as if to say I was at fault for the near-miss. I opened the car door and asked, just what did he think he was doing running right into me? "I could have killed you," I explained.

(Get ready:) He said," You old people need to die." He pulled on his bright green T-shirt. "Can't you see this?", as if he had done all he should do by donning a loud item of clothing. So it was my fault he said, although he was running into me. I fired back an expletive. He began walking my way, screaming: "You want some of me, buddy?"

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I once taught a class to some guys who where going to be working on a large piece of federal property. Now, it was way out in the middle of nowhere and the only way to get onto this property was by auto or motorcycle. You couldn't walk in and you couldn't walk from one place to another. You had to drive and you had to be careful where you drove; you didn't joy ride out there. During class breaks people would ask me questions about the work site. What was the best way to get there, what tools to bring, what was considered contraband, stuff like that.

I'll never forget this one guy; kind of young and strange. He would ask me questions like how far is it and do they have any bike racks. I was a little confused. It soon became apparent that he road bikes. A lot. "Oh, you can't ride a bike out there," I said. "And even if you could it'll be night time and traffic on that four lane highway is crazy. There's no room for bicycle. You'd be killed if you tried it." I guess in his mind a highway full of cars and trucks going 70 mph was just going give him the right of way. He caught an attitude with me, me who's been working there for years, and tried to tell me he knew people who had ridden bikes out there. I told him I had never seen a bicycle out there, ever, and that I guaranteed him that he would NOT be riding a bicycle on that federal property. Well, he had snotty attitude for the rest of the class. (I later learned that he didn't even have a drivers license. His girlfriend(s) had to drive him everywhere.)

Months later I ran into one of the other guys in the class who had wound up working with bicycle guy. He told me, "That dude is weird, man. He was out here a couple of weeks before he understood that you CAN'T ride a bike out here because security won't allow it. When you told him he couldn't ride a bike out here he thought you were saying he wasn't man enough to ride that far. In his mind he had it all worked out. His plan was to get dropped off at the gate everyday by his chick, ride the 10 miles to his job, work construction all day and then ride the 10 miles back to gate for his girlfriend to pick him up. He's just strange, man. It's like he thinks he's better than everyone else because he doesn't drive."

Strange puppy. His body was really healthy but his mind was starved for oxygen or something.

1 posted on 05/09/2013 1:57:32 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

A self imposed minority screaming for equality in a nation with roads ruled by the ton.


2 posted on 05/09/2013 2:02:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: servo1969

3,000 pound car vs 30 pound bike. Did we really raise such a stupid generation as this?


3 posted on 05/09/2013 2:03:32 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: servo1969
His body was really healthy but his mind was starved for oxygen or something.

Yeah, all of us old people are uselessly sucking up the oxygen he needs for survival. Poor twit.

4 posted on 05/09/2013 2:04:01 PM PDT by HiJinx (Just kill the bill, already...)
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To: servo1969

One of my pet peeves as a driver, are women who insist upon jogging or ‘power walking’ on residential streets, when there are perfectly good sidewalks running down both sides.

Many times, these morons are also pushing a baby carriage or child stroller, which makes what they’re doing the height of stupidity. Not only are they risking their own lives to look ‘cool’, they’re risking the lives of their innocent children.

I can’t tell you how many near misses I had with these people when I used to work in the Hollywood hills and surrounding communities.

You just have to wonder what kind of programming these people have, that would override their common sense and basic survival instincts.


5 posted on 05/09/2013 2:04:11 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: servo1969

Cyclers are not well liked anywhere.


6 posted on 05/09/2013 2:05:36 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: CodeToad
3,000 pound car vs 30 pound bike. Did we really raise such a stupid generation as this?

So stupid as to believe that bikes weigh only 30lbs? Apparently. :-p

7 posted on 05/09/2013 2:05:58 PM PDT by South40
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To: servo1969

I ride almost daily with people from all walks of life. And I know no one who acts like this. If this really did happen it was the act of one individual, not those who ride as a whole. Attempting to lay blame on an entire group is tantamount to blaming all gun owners for the actions of a few. And I think most here are against that.


8 posted on 05/09/2013 2:08:04 PM PDT by South40
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To: servo1969
One can get an bright yellow LED vest at Walmart.

I had to through Site-to-Store.

But you can set it so the LEDs on all the time or in a flashing mode.

I have used on a bicycle as well as a Motor Bike. I do not want to be run over.

They could have had some sort of very visible thing like this.

9 posted on 05/09/2013 2:08:47 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: servo1969

I commute 5 miles to work every day on a road bicycle and also ride recreationally on the weekends for exercise.

My first concern is always for my safety, second concern is to be courteous to other road users. For example, while waiting at long stoplights, to avoid blocking right turning cars, I’ll move to the left so they can get past.

Drivers in this area are pretty courteous and mindful of cyclists, probably because there are many of them. I have found that there are some rude, arrogant and dangerous cyclists and rude, arrogant and dangerous car drivers as well.


10 posted on 05/09/2013 2:09:11 PM PDT by barefoot_hiker
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To: svcw

San Diego is a haven for bikers. Most don’t ride this way.


11 posted on 05/09/2013 2:09:17 PM PDT by South40
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To: servo1969
Concord MA, with the national park there and all attracts tons of bikers and joggers. The attitude these people have is astounding. The bikers will oftern ride 3-abreast on the road at 8 miles an hour, elaborately ignoring the car revving behind them. Laying on the horn often doesn't faze them.

A couple years ago a biker shot into an intersection from behind a line of cars at a red light and got obliterated.

12 posted on 05/09/2013 2:10:07 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: barefoot_hiker
I commute also, but I bikepool.


13 posted on 05/09/2013 2:11:29 PM PDT by South40
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To: South40

I don’t know about bikers but the nerds riding bicycles, are very annoying in San Diego.


14 posted on 05/09/2013 2:13:26 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: topher
No reason for them not to have an LED safety vest...

Link to Walmart product:

LED Safety Vest

Picture below:


15 posted on 05/09/2013 2:13:59 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: servo1969
"Hey buddy, you couldn't kill me. You don't know my strength."

They (bicyclists) all wear super-hero outfits, and I am guessing that the spandex serves to cut off the oxygen to their brains. We have big groups of them who ride on the major thoroughfares around here on weekend mornings. What a bunch of preening prima-donnas!

16 posted on 05/09/2013 2:14:51 PM PDT by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: ansel12
I don’t know about bikers but the nerds riding bicycles, are very annoying in San Diego.

lol! There's certainly no shortage of nerds. Then there's the group with the rainbow shirts and flags. I always make a point to not get near them so as to avoid being confused for being one of them.

17 posted on 05/09/2013 2:15:23 PM PDT by South40
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To: cripplecreek; servo1969

They’re always whining about being banned from hiking trails along the NY/NJ border; there are a small number of trails available for them, but I guess the environmentalists have a bigger voice (citing damage to foliage as the reason why they shouldn’t be riding on them). I admire people with the motivation to get/keep themselves healthy with biking, but to think they’ll ever be sharing highways with cars is absurd.


18 posted on 05/09/2013 2:15:27 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

“The bikers will oftern ride 3-abreast on the road at 8 miles an hour, elaborately ignoring the car revving behind them. Laying on the horn often doesn’t faze them.”

I’ve seen this along some of the highways passing through state parks; the bikers really are foolish, because the car that will hit them will be driven by a drunk illegal that will not stop.


19 posted on 05/09/2013 2:18:47 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: servo1969

I ride recreational all the time. Got hit by a truck 2 yrs ago and can still feel where it hit me. Bikers are generally obnoxious and sanctimonious who ride any way they want.

Pray for America to Wake Up


20 posted on 05/09/2013 2:19:49 PM PDT by bray (Surviving to spite Obama)
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To: kearnyirish2

I don’t have a problem with bikes, just don’t expect them to be treated equally to cars. I must have ridden 40 or 50 miles per day till I got a drivers license and we didn’t have bike trails then. I had to ride on the roads and stay out of the way of cars.


21 posted on 05/09/2013 2:20:28 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: CodeToad
You don't know my strength,duuuude!my lycra is legendary!



22 posted on 05/09/2013 2:20:41 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: barefoot_hiker

“My first concern is always for my safety, second concern is to be courteous to other road users.”

You can’t be from Boulder, Co. then.


23 posted on 05/09/2013 2:20:48 PM PDT by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: servo1969

I road raced for years. It’s an addiction and it makes you do strange things.

Some guys choose their bikes over their families and jobs.


24 posted on 05/09/2013 2:21:37 PM PDT by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: TurboZamboni

ROFL! “That HURT doood!”


25 posted on 05/09/2013 2:21:37 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: servo1969

ping


26 posted on 05/09/2013 2:21:58 PM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing - Joe Pine)
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To: HiJinx

This article was written by some “old fart”. ;-)

Dude! Live and let live.


27 posted on 05/09/2013 2:22:24 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: cripplecreek

“I had to ride on the roads and stay out of the way of cars.”

I guess people in cars are tired of people on bikes thinking it should be the other way around.

In my town it is illegal to skateboard on the street; when we were younger the cops would literally take your skateboard away. I thought it was stupid until I started driving; now I “get it”.


28 posted on 05/09/2013 2:24:09 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: South40

I lived in Santa Cruz mountains for years and the bikers were hideously rude and obnoxious....even had a friend get arrested because some guy complained.....the jury awarded the biker one dollar in punitive damages, and he had to replace the bike. (An brawl on a twisty road)
In Santa Barbara where I live now there are about 500 miles of bike paths and they still go right down the middle of the street.
Oh, well. If they behave in SD, you are lucky.


29 posted on 05/09/2013 2:27:50 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: South40

My friend, I drove a cab for 10 years. Day and night, rain and shine. The next bike rider I see paying any attention to traffic or traffic laws, will be the first. It’s not just a few. If gun owners behaved like bike riders, the liberals might just have a case for gun control.


30 posted on 05/09/2013 2:28:42 PM PDT by 75thOVI ("The crews of all submarines captured should be treated as pirates and hanged". Sir Arthur Wilson)
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To: servo1969

It’s pretty obvious that for a significant minority of bikers riding a bike is some kind of moralistic get-even-with-the-world trip. They remind me of wacked out liberals whose moral zeal has become mischanneled into things like radical environmentalism. It’s a similar sort of mindset. They’ve found a way to annoy the car-riding bourgeoisie and they will milk it to the max.


31 posted on 05/09/2013 2:35:31 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Windflier
Lots of these folks have the attitude that it doesn't matter if they get killed if it is technically the fault of the other guy. With bicyclists and walkers it tends to be yuppies kids and collegiates who think(?) like that. Car drivers who take that attitude seem to be just losers.

After a near miss on a bicyclist in his exotic insect suit i said, "hey you should watch out, when you shoot out of an alley that way you could get killed!" "But it't be YOUR fault, dude, get off the damn road! I got the right-of-way!"

32 posted on 05/09/2013 2:48:51 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: arthurus
Lots of these folks have the attitude that it doesn't matter if they get killed if it is technically the fault of the other guy.

That's a pretty worthless cause to martyr oneself for. Liberalism is truly a mental disorder.

33 posted on 05/09/2013 2:51:29 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: servo1969
1. Encountering two different people in a short time who say: "You old people need to die", sounds like it is made up, or a jumble of two stories.

2. On the other side of this issue, a college friend of mine was killed when a car hit his bike. He was not at all arrogant.

34 posted on 05/09/2013 2:57:04 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: servo1969

Bikers on The Natchez Trace Parkway want cars to be illegal. They insist it was made for bikers only. Several have been killed recently because drivers can not see them on that crooked road. I was between Tupelo and Cherokee, AL when 4 cars passed me. I saw they were really speeding so I tried to get close to them just to see how fast they were going. Well, when my speedometer reached 75, I really slowed down. They were still miles in front of me. They were just crazy driving that fast on that 2 lane road. Guess they were in a hurry to go to one of their funerals. I always try to drive the 50 speed limit but my Honda likes to go 60. : ). It is a beautiful drive in the spring and fall.


35 posted on 05/09/2013 2:57:34 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: South40
San Diego is a haven for bikers. Most don’t ride this way.

I see ~15% of cyclist riding like complete fools in my North County treks. When I get around the Oceanside Harbor, it jumps to 50-50.

36 posted on 05/09/2013 3:02:02 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Based on a letter from an 8 year old…school is now illegal...'cuz it’s yuckey and dumb'.)
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To: South40

I’m still waiting to see a biker stop at a stop sign.


37 posted on 05/09/2013 3:02:43 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: servo1969
"You old people need to die"

I noticed this stating a few years ago from the left, "old people" know too much, remember too much, were educated too well in history and American history and liberalism and Capitalism, etc.

I have seen the frustration of the left and how they just want the old knowledge to die out, for the old wisdom to die off, for the memory of past america to become totally erased so that conversations don't get interrupted with a knowledgeable voice from one who knows truths.

38 posted on 05/09/2013 3:03:25 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: arthurus

Militant bicyclists want the rights and privileges of both cars and pedestrians but the responsibilities of neither.






Through the stop light, onto the sidewalk, between stopped cars...


I'm a car, I'm a pedestrian, I'm a car, I'm a pedestrian, I'm a car, I'm a pedestrian...
39 posted on 05/09/2013 3:08:25 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: MamaB

I asked some jogger ladies one time in Mission Veijo why they jogged on the street and not the 4’ sidewalk? They said the pavement is softer on our feet hence we jog in the street!
I said well you might wanna try single file instead of 4 abreast to oncoming traffic at 45 miles an hour! All I got was a dirty look!


40 posted on 05/09/2013 3:09:14 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: South40
I ride almost daily with people from all walks of life. And I know no one who acts like this.

There are MANY who act like this.

I'm just going to let the teenagers on their cell phones sort it out...

41 posted on 05/09/2013 3:22:17 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: servo1969

Got dang FreeCreditReports.com slackers.


42 posted on 05/09/2013 3:23:37 PM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: servo1969
As someone with a concealed carry permit, who has had a lot of training. There are some fundamental mistakes in this article.

The first is that you want to avoid confrontations if at all possible. As for the biker, don't get into a discussion with him, note the make, model, color and if possible license plate number and report it to the police. Getting into a discussion with the guy is likely to end in a road rage incident and he may be armed.

As to the jogger. Yes, make sure the jogger is OK, but again, don't get into a discussion with him.

Most of us need to understand that too many people no longer value life and are looking for fights to pick. If you are looking to protect yourself from danger you need to avoid confrontation where you can and not blindly step into it.

43 posted on 05/09/2013 3:44:30 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: servo1969; All

I ride a Motorcycle. I was out riding one day with a group of friends on a old 2 lane road when we came up on a pack of cyclists riding 3 abreast. We thought they would form a single file and share the road as there was no passing in that particular stretch... after about 2 miles the lead honked his horn and got the finger... really was a shame about them... I hope they made it back to civilization.... its hard to ride a bike with no spokes....


44 posted on 05/09/2013 4:16:03 PM PDT by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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> “Militant bicyclists want the rights and privileges of both cars and pedestrians but the responsibilities of neither.”

There are jerks in all large groups, of course. Riding a bicycle, though, is a mode of transportation that’s in between walking and driving a car. In my opinion safety requires sometimes acting like one and sometimes like the other (or in a similar way).

I occasionally ride a bicycle, and to increase my chances of survival — remember in a collision with a car we bicyclists stand a good chance of being killed, not just having a dent in our vehicle — there are times when I switch from the road to the sidewalk. I’m careful about not endangering pedestrians, though.

Some bicycle club members and serious bicyclists make a point of obeying the same rules that drivers of cars do. On heavy-traffic roads with narrow lanes, though, that means taking the whole lane, and delaying cars that can go much faster (the delay for the driver to change lanes may just be ten or fifteen seconds, but some drivers are quite willing to risk killing you to avoid it).

On low traffic roads, or roads with low speed limits and wide lanes, I ride on the side of the road itself. On roads where I’d seriously delay cars, and risk being killed for it, I get on the sidewalk and ride slowly. So far I’ve managed to stay alive that way (though in recent years I just ride short distances on known roads), and I’ve never hit a pedestrian either.

Except in high traffic areas, riding a bicycle is a good way to travel short distances on a nice day, and persons who do that aren’t necessarily evil. Neither are the ones — more foolish ones, in my opinion — who risk traveling longer distances in the proximity of high-speed car traffic. Even the jerks don’t deserve the death penalty.


45 posted on 05/09/2013 4:45:08 PM PDT by GJones2 (Evil bicyclists)
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To: servo1969

Here in MA, a bicycle is supposed to go with the flow of traffic - for good reason.


46 posted on 05/09/2013 6:41:29 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: servo1969

Asshat bicyclist demand the right to use roads like any other vehicle yet they don’t want to abide by the same traffic laws, and they pay no registration/licensing fees to give them the “right” to ride on public roadways.


47 posted on 05/09/2013 8:36:22 PM PDT by WP Lonestar (No matter where you go, there you are)
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To: dljordan

“My first concern is always for my safety, second concern is to be courteous to other road users.”

You can’t be from Boulder, Co. then.


Or Flagstaff, AZ


48 posted on 05/09/2013 9:09:46 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 ( Nothing so vexes me as a democrap above ground...ENFORCE THE BILL OF RIGHTS. (It's the Law))
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To: barefoot_hiker
For example, while waiting at long stoplights, to avoid blocking right turning cars, I’ll move to the left so they can get past.

Why don't you just run the red light, like most of the guys I see on the morning commute?

49 posted on 05/09/2013 9:17:28 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Certain lights won’t trigger for a bike. The sensors are not sensitive enough or not set correctly. If there are no cars to trigger the light, the only options are to get off the bike and press the pedestrian walk button or just run it. At my normal commute time of 5:30AM, typically it’s dark with no one around - I’ll just run it when it’s safe to do so (no cross traffic in sight).


50 posted on 05/09/2013 11:15:26 PM PDT by barefoot_hiker
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