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Ron Paul: Gang of 8 Hiding National ID Card in Immigration Reform
Economic Policy Journal ^ | Thursday, May 9, 2013 | Robert Wenzel

Posted on 05/09/2013 5:54:22 PM PDT by True Grit

Ron Paul is robo-calling his supporters to sign a petition against the inclusion of a National ID card in immigration reform negotiations. From the petition:

Right now, freedom-stealing Senators John McCain (R-AZ) and Chuck Schumer (D-NY), banding together with other statists from both parties, are scheming to sneak a massive power grab into a new “immigration reform” bill.

If passed, it would require every American to obtain a National ID card to work legally in the U.S. – and you can bet it will be only a matter of time until they’re required even for simple purchases.

Ron Paul calls the current proposals “by far the worst national ID card the statists have come up with yet.” And he blames the “Gang of 8,” which includes Lindsey Graham, John McCain, and Chuck Schumer, for working with Obama to “sneak a national ID” into an immigration reform bill. ”A statist’s dream,” Paul decries.

According to Paul, the national ID would create a new federal database with biometric information on all citizens and those who work within the United States. He claims that, in short time, it would be illegal for anyone to have a job without an ID card. “Every time any citizen applies for a job, the government will know…[and] once the government bureaucrats know exactly how we run our lives, they will try and control them.”

He warns that “the government will know what you eat, drink, and read. Once they know this information, they will regulate everything” from your food to your education, depriving us of our freedom. Issues like amnesty are just being used as cover. The National ID is what the “statists” really want.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: 666; aliens; nationalid; nationalist

1 posted on 05/09/2013 5:54:22 PM PDT by True Grit
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To: True Grit

Gee, maybe the “Open Borders” Libertarians will finally wake up to see this bill is crap.


2 posted on 05/09/2013 5:56:05 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: True Grit

Yeah, but open borders Paul wants the bill passed anyway.


3 posted on 05/09/2013 5:56:45 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: True Grit

Just listened to Mark Levin who had Chris Crane (sp?), ICE Union President on, who stated that LaRaza is EMBEDDED in ICE.

No going back if they turn Texas and Arizona commie-blue with dem-voting locusts.


4 posted on 05/09/2013 6:01:59 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Mortrey

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/union-president-testifies-ice-hq-ordered-agents-not-arrest-illegals-including-fugitives

Chris Crane also said that no member of the gang of 8 besides Rubio would meet with him about his concerns.


5 posted on 05/09/2013 6:06:05 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: True Grit
He claims that, in short time, it would be illegal for anyone to have a job without an ID card.

Isn't it already illegal to enter the country and to obtain a job? How is that working out?

6 posted on 05/09/2013 6:07:52 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Not really the same and I’d wager you know it.


7 posted on 05/09/2013 6:12:38 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do ithat when I have a fire.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes...Elder Paul is very open borders. Note he does not ask to kill the entire Amnesty bill


8 posted on 05/09/2013 6:17:49 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: True Grit
The republicans will never win another national election because they do need a large portion of their base whom they are offending quite rapidly over this fraudulent to wasteful bill. Rubio had no business meeting with Shumner and the other leftist to draft any bill. They are lying about enforcing the border. Where have they been for years on that! Rubio cannot win back his base if he continues to do this. He's either naive or carrying the elites ie. moderate republicans' cause. McCain needs to retire and just go away or change parties.
9 posted on 05/09/2013 6:18:11 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: True Grit

Open letter to my Congressman and Senators,

I would like to inform you of how your crazy legislation is working here in the real world in WV.

My mother will be 86 years old this year. My hobby is genealogy and I can document her ancestry through US citizens back to the 1700’s. She has been trying for months without success to RENEW her photo ID. She is required by law to have her retirement income direct deposited to the bank; but she no longer has a photo ID to write a check. Therefore, she is denied access to her funds in places that require ID, which is most of them.

Her father died in a mining accident in April, 1927, shortly after she was conceived. He and her teenage mother were not married. The doctor registered her birth on 12-31-1927 with the County Clerk, however he listed no name for her. The County Clerk and the State Dept of Vital Statistics will not issue a birth certificate without her name. That certificate would be of no use anyway because after her mother married, my mother was enrolled in school with her stepfather’s last name without being legally adopted. The DMV tells me this is not an uncommon situation for people born back then.

My Mom entered school and graduated from high school in 1945. She married in 1946, had five children, worked, and paid taxes until she was 69 years old. She draws a pension and social security. She has owned real estate and paid property taxes since 1951. Up until now, she was able to prove her identity and obtain a photo ID with a census record, marriage certificate, and her school records.

Under the new Homeland Security laws you have passed, she cannot renew her photo ID. My Mom doesn’t drive, but if she wanted to, she would be denied this privilege. Without an ID, she is not allowed to travel except by automobile. She enjoys shopping, but stores will no longer accept her checks without a photo ID.

The state DMV told us to take all her evidence, census record, school records (transcripts and her HS yearbook with her photo), marriage certificate, etc. and explain her situation to a supervisor. The local DMV supervisor refused.

Please explain the LOGIC and JUSTIFICATION for passing laws which affect WE THE PEOPLE in such a manner. Does no one in Washington have enough common sense and knowledge of the English language to write provisions covering these situations, since the DMV says there are many folks from that era in this same shape?

I read that there are 30 million people in this country illegally. I am a GED teacher. We have lots of foreign students, many of whom are not citizens. A photo ID is required to take the test. How do these folks obtain photo ID’s to drive, work, travel, have bank accounts, get healthcare, food, and housing assistance when my senior citizen mother that had one for years cannot renew it?


10 posted on 05/09/2013 6:18:20 PM PDT by Jude in WV
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To: driftdiver

MY point is that laws won’t prevent people from working illegally.


11 posted on 05/09/2013 6:28:09 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: True Grit

What’s a drivers license and social security card?


12 posted on 05/09/2013 6:28:17 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: Jude in WV

It’s government laws that force banks and other places to require a state ID.

government is the source of all our problems


13 posted on 05/09/2013 6:33:48 PM PDT by Democrat_media (D's & Mary Landrieu voted 4 UN to take away our 2nd amendment rights)
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Gang of 8holes.


14 posted on 05/09/2013 6:35:23 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: True Grit

Gang of 8 are nothing but socialists/fascists just like Obama and his thugs.


15 posted on 05/09/2013 6:48:15 PM PDT by stockpirate (Planned Parenthood, murdering black children one baby at a time.......where is the outrage)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

When they get the level of control they want then the laws will work.


16 posted on 05/09/2013 6:48:30 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do ithat when I have a fire.)
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To: SeminoleCounty; Jim Robinson
Yes...Elder Paul is very open borders. Note he does not ask to kill the entire Amnesty bill

The Younger Paul, despite his protestations, is just as open-border.

His plan to "Normalize" 2 million Undocumented Democrats, each and every year, is just Rand Paul's version of Amnesty, and his so call tough-border stance relies on a Congressional "Certification" by a congress that is comprised of 50% Democrats who already think the border is secure, and another 25% RINOS who feel the same. Factor in his complete abhorrence of E-Verify, and no matter what his words are, his actions paint him as a bona-vide Open-Borders guy.
17 posted on 05/09/2013 6:55:44 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: True Grit

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


18 posted on 05/09/2013 7:08:40 PM PDT by null and void (America needs to be led by warriors not by lawyers)
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To: True Grit

And still people are saying we may be heading towards a dictatorship in America, folks we are there!


19 posted on 05/09/2013 7:10:33 PM PDT by stockpirate (Planned Parenthood, murdering black children one baby at a time.......where is the outrage)
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To: Dick Vomer
What’s a drivers license and social security card?

Counterfeiters working full time counterfeiting green cards, driver license, social security and about anything else you want. What ever they come out with won't be worth two cents.

20 posted on 05/09/2013 7:13:29 PM PDT by True Grit
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To: Gene Eric

Show me your papers ,oops , your American ID


21 posted on 05/09/2013 7:14:44 PM PDT by molson209
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To: null and void
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Appears this is where thing are headed. Counterfeiters will make a joke out of what ever card they come out with which will lead to the mark.

22 posted on 05/09/2013 7:18:24 PM PDT by True Grit
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To: True Grit

I am really surprised that the LIBS didn’t push for the National ID when the R’s were clamoring for ID’s required for voting.

I thought at the time that is what they would end up doing as it (National ID) has been being ‘bounced around’ for several years and this ‘Picture ID for voting’ would have, - at least IMNSHO - been the perfect time for them to bring it up.

With more and more states GIVING Drivers Licenses to ILLEGALS, how is a businessman supposed to be able to cut the illegals from the legals when the same STATE that is issuing ‘THEM’ ID, will, along with the FED (who says you can’t question a potential employee) fine you and shut down your business for hiring ‘ILLEGALS’ when THEY are providing the ILLEGALS the tools to survive, DL, checking account, rent etc etc etc


23 posted on 05/09/2013 7:23:15 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --I turn 75 next year- but remember, that's only 24 Celsius. (TKS R. Reagan))
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To: driftdiver

Like identification marks on the right had or the forehead?


24 posted on 05/09/2013 7:26:27 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: xrmusn

THEY are providing the ILLEGALS the tools to survive, DL, checking account, rent etc etc etc

With all the free stuff they do pretty well here if they don’t have a job.


25 posted on 05/09/2013 7:29:39 PM PDT by True Grit
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To: True Grit

Good. Quicken this abomination. Sooner the better. Get the fence riders, off their posts. One way or the other.


26 posted on 05/09/2013 7:35:16 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: True Grit

> What’s a drivers license and social security card?
Counterfeiters working full time counterfeiting green cards, driver license, social security and about anything else you want. What ever they come out with won’t be worth two cents.

It depends on what types of information they relate to. A social security card is tied to identifying information with the SSA but it’s also used to fle taxes and apply or just about any type loan or service. A drivers license with the state DPS. But imagine a centralized database with a national ID card that is linked to multiple agencies such as SSA, IRS, FINCEN, DPS, DHS, Dept. of Human Services, etc...it would have the capability to store a huge amount of personal data about every citizen that could be used as a tool of oppression. Say you are driving past an RFID sensor on a speeding camera and it reads your plate number and you are speeding slightly, you get a ticket in the mail within the week. In fact you get several. Or you go to the grocery store and because your last checkup indicated that you were 15 lbs overweight you cannot buy that Snickers candy bar because of passage of the Michelle Obama Fat Reduction Act of 2015. Or you can’t buy a handgun because of your political views or recent mental evaluation that is now mandatory via the Lanza Act of 2014. Those that can’t see the harm that a National ID card can do lack imagination and underestimate the degree of deception that a tyrannical government willt exercise when they want to siphoni more taxes and penalties from its citizen slaves, particularly when it comes to using technology to increase and utomate their efficiency in fleecing you.


27 posted on 05/09/2013 7:37:00 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: True Grit

With all the free stuff they do pretty well here if they don’t have a job
= = = = = = = = = = = =
True.
The REAL BONANZA is when they are getting the freebies AND working under the table.
‘WE’ allow 6 people to buy or rent a house, and each of the 6 has 3 or 4 ‘dependent’s’, they will sneak others in and you end up with a house that would rent for say 4000 a month, have 10 people paying 400 a month with all (or many) getting food stamps, welfare, etc etc.
That is why you see all the later model cars and pickups parked on the lawn or the front and rear lawn paved for parking in a single family house neighborhood.
By the time enough people ‘COMPLAIN’, they are entrenched, have been paying their rent and are harder than hell to ‘move off the dime’.


28 posted on 05/09/2013 8:02:42 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --I turn 75 next year- but remember, that's only 24 Celsius. (TKS R. Reagan))
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To: True Grit

Can’t we just return McCain to Viet Nam marked refused and put him back on the rack? I would be happy to contribute to the restocking fee...


29 posted on 05/09/2013 8:06:44 PM PDT by eldoradude (Let's water the tree of liberty with THEIR blood...)
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To: GraceG

That won’t happen. Libertopians are as delusional as leftists


30 posted on 05/09/2013 8:40:49 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: jsanders2001

Hey dude, formatting is your friend.
Douchbag.


31 posted on 05/09/2013 8:42:15 PM PDT by slouper
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To: True Grit

A national ID card could also be used to easily limit voting to actual citizens, and to also prevent people from voting multiple times.

I am not sure I am against this.


32 posted on 05/09/2013 9:51:01 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: slouper

Can’t format using tablet that I’m aware of. No need to self/ project there either...: )


33 posted on 05/09/2013 10:11:56 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Like identification marks on the right had or the forehead?”

That is where it will end up but since the anti-Christ hasn’t made himself known I doubt this particular move is the mark.

I could be a precursor.


34 posted on 05/10/2013 4:22:32 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do ithat when I have a fire.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Like identification marks on the right had or the forehead?”

That is where it will end up but since the anti-Christ hasn’t made himself known I doubt this particular move is the mark.

I could be a precursor.


35 posted on 05/10/2013 4:24:31 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do ithat when I have a fire.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

You said: ‘ A national ID card could also be used to easily limit voting to actual citizens, and to also prevent people from voting multiple times.’

Oh but they won’t require the national id for voting!


36 posted on 05/10/2013 6:36:16 AM PDT by chrisnj
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To: True Grit

Where in the bill is this? Why don’t people ever source their material anymore?


37 posted on 05/10/2013 8:06:29 AM PDT by thetallguy24
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