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How to kill Obamacare without even trying
The Daily Caller ^ | May 8, 2013 | Yates Walker, Conservative Activist

Posted on 05/09/2013 6:48:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Ezekiel Emanuel, a noted oncologist, has helped advise the Obama administration in its effort to create an economic system larger than France’s economy to distribute health care services to over 300 million people. Together, those facts encapsulate the essence of our federal government: hopelessly overextended, devoid of caution and chock full of hubris. If that isn’t succinct enough to signal the coming disaster that will be Obamacare, then Emanuel’s recent column in the Wall Street Journal should tip the balance.

Coincidentally, the column was about me, or, more appropriately, about a class of the peasantry to which Doctor Emanuel has assigned me. That group, which he calls Young Invincibles, consists of American men under the age of 35 who haven’t purchased health insurance and, worse, don’t think they should.

In a refreshingly honest appraisal, Emanuel admits that Obamacare will virtually self-destruct if my demographic doesn’t come to its senses. The program depends on the full participation of the American citizenry.....

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; emanuel; evilemanuels; ezekielemanuel; obamacare; osamacare; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; rahmemanuel; younginvincibles; zerocare

1 posted on 05/09/2013 6:48:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Men under 35 don’t need health insurance. Sure there is a rare exception but to have millions of young men throw away a billlion plus dollars for nothing is insane. I didn’t have it, didn’t need it. And neither did any of my friends or family at that age.


2 posted on 05/09/2013 6:54:53 PM PDT by Deathtomarxists (yellow black or white hillary's pantsuits stink by night!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I view this theory as very flawed.
I lurk on some forums where there are a lot of 20-somethings.
(trying to plant some seeds of common sense)

STDs are rampant in that group, although incredibly under-reported by the MSM.
They actually care very much about health benefits.
And a significant reason why this was a winning factor with this group in the election.

Back in the 60s when I was that age, nobody gave a rip about “health insurance”.


3 posted on 05/09/2013 6:55:57 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Does this imply that young men are healthier than young women and that women need to be provided monetary assistance from (gasp) men for health?

What about overseas Americans? Can they get insurance and if they do not, are they taxed?

Are illegal immigrants paying into the system and if not, why not? How does an illegal immigrant file a US income tax return?

In this so-called “recovery,” how many 18-29 yo men living in the USA actually have jobs that pay enough that allow them to be able to afford health insurance?


4 posted on 05/09/2013 6:58:59 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A lot of people will get hurt in the shake out, however.

My wife and I paid 17,000dlrs last year for healthcare (premiums + deductables). And are healthy save for the spousal unit getting a cataract fixed last year.

We are about to drop health care altogether (already did dental) if premiums continue to go up. They did 25% January 1. We will gamble the
“system” will find some equilibrium that we can afford.

2.5 years from Medicare and holding my breath!

5 posted on 05/09/2013 7:03:46 PM PDT by llevrok (2013: - Obama vs America. The new cold war)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

TOTALITARIANCARE BUMP!


6 posted on 05/09/2013 7:07:36 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Deathtomarxists

That is why Obamacare fines it out of you as a tax if you don’t have a plan. Either way they get you.

If you are so poor as to not have anything to worry about, then you would be on welfare anyway.


7 posted on 05/09/2013 7:08:33 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Did this guy not listen to any of the Supreme Court debate? Does he know anything about what happened in Massachusetts besides what he skimmed in a think tank report?

The whole point is that he is going to be required to buy insurance whether he wants to or not.

At first the fine may be cheaper than buying the insurance, but if Massachusetts is any predictor, then the fines will increase until pretty much everyone joins.

This guy should just save us the time of hoping that he may one day get a clue and just become a liberal right now.

Either that or a naive shill for hedge funds.

8 posted on 05/09/2013 7:14:43 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Post o’ the Evening. Excellent.


9 posted on 05/09/2013 7:15:43 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ezekiel Emmanuel is Rahm’s brother.


10 posted on 05/09/2013 7:21:43 PM PDT by Faith
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To: Deathtomarxists

Ditto.


11 posted on 05/09/2013 7:25:05 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Deathtomarxists

It seems to me like most people, particularly guys, could do quite well with just a high deductible hospital plan to cover anything major.

Neither my mom or my dad had any health coverage, even though they both worked full-time all their lives, until they were old enough to qualify for Medicare.

I still contend that people, regardless of their age, should be able to pick and choose what they want covered and what they don’t. But it always seems to get back to the issue of my having to pay for someone else’s illness. I really have never felt any compulsion to be my brother’s keeper, just my immediate family members and even then, only up to a point.


12 posted on 05/09/2013 7:26:49 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
At first the fine may be cheaper than buying the insurance, but if Massachusetts is any predictor, then the fines will increase until pretty much everyone joins.

Well, the fines are set by law, aren't they? Or does HHS have the statutory authority to jack up the fines as they feel necessary (and if they do, wouldn't that be a violation of the Constitution and Sep of Powers, given that the fines have been defined as "taxes" by our beloved Chief Justice?)

My understanding is that while the fines are on a graduated scale for the first couple of years, they are capped. And there's a threshold where the number of people choosing fines over insurance no longer generates enough revenue flow into the system to keep it afloat.

One thing that I've wondered is if it would be possible to crash ObamaCare though what amounts to a medical denial of service attack: flood the healthcare system past the point of saturation by making an appointment to see doctors for every little thing. There's going to be rationing regardless. Going to see a doc for every bruise and scrape (even demanding tetanus shots?) is going to add the kind of burden on the entire system as the uninsured current add to going to hospital ERs for minor ailments ...
13 posted on 05/09/2013 7:33:17 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

“We will hang capitalism!” — Lenin

“Where will get so much rope?” — his ‘comrades’

“They will sell it to us!” — Lenin

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.


14 posted on 05/09/2013 7:53:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I been saying this since its been passed. The mandate fine is a joke.

Young and healthy have no reason to comply. That will make it fail.

However, don’t expect voters to agree to give up free stuff(health care) . They very well may just demand more.


15 posted on 05/09/2013 7:59:25 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: nascarnation

“STDs are rampant in that group ... They actually care very much about health benefits.”

Obamacare mandates a one-size-all-covers-everything-conceiable policy that will probably cost an individual $5,000 a year. Within a couple of years that will probably double. Wouldn’t they find it cheaper to pay $50.00 for the antibiotics to treat these STDs than pay 5-10K a year when they’re otherwise healthy?


16 posted on 05/09/2013 8:38:22 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Deathtomarxists

>> Men under 35 don’t need health insurance.

Catastrophic they should have, and if family, insured mandatory for the wife/kids.


17 posted on 05/09/2013 8:40:34 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Grams A

“It seems to me like most people, particularly guys, could do quite well with just a high deductible hospital plan to cover anything major.”

Obamacare outlaws all such plans, and mandates that only a very expensive, covers-everything-plan will be legal.


18 posted on 05/09/2013 8:40:44 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In a refreshingly honest appraisal, Emanuel admits that Obamacare will virtually self-destruct if my demographic doesn’t come to its senses...actually Obamacare will be doomed if that demographic does come to its senses - and realizes it's being used to finance care for the rest of the population, shifting the money it's being forced to pay for services it won't need for years to people who aren't paying for the full value of the services they're receiving right now - if his demographic does come to understand how cynically they're being manipulated by the Government, it will be over for Obamacare.....
19 posted on 05/09/2013 9:03:14 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: catnipman

I know, I know. I was just whining.


20 posted on 05/09/2013 10:34:38 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: tanknetter

When I worked for the Army I saw things I cold not believe. I was the OIC of a MEDDAC ER. I literally saw folks in the ER for paper cuts and broken finger nails. I am not kidding. What you propose is not going to be some subtle “go Galt” way of killing it, it will be folks who feel they deserve the “free stuff”. I am not kidding. One Sunday afternoon we were very busy and I noticed there was an E-7 in uniform in the waiting room. I really tried to move the Active Duty guys along and felt bad he had to wait for a couple hours. I apologized when I finally got to him (after having seen some 25 folks in the previous 2-3 hours. He had a garden variety tension headache. He needed Tylenol. I told him as much and he thanked me. I was really sort of “as the Brits say, gobsmacked.” I asked him, “Let me see if I understand this, you knew what you had wasn’t serious and that Tylenol would take care of it and you could buy a bottle at the PX for a couple bucks but you waited here in the ER waiting room for two hours or more?” He answered, “Yeah, it’s free here.”

Good luck with Obamacare. LOL. It was NEVER going to be what ANYONE thought.


21 posted on 05/09/2013 11:12:58 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: llevrok

We are about to drop health care altogether (already did dental) if premiums continue to go up. They did 25% January 1. We will gamble the
“system” will find some equilibrium that we can afford

My 8 yr old granddaughter said Obamacare should be renamed Obamadon’tcare


22 posted on 05/10/2013 2:38:42 AM PDT by RightLady
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To: Deathtomarxists

“Men under 35 don’t need health insurance.”

I think ObamaCare will fold under its own weight when the tax base has become so small it can’t be sustained. Not only are a lot of young people u- or under-employed, but a growing number of young whites are imitating their urban counterparts and breeding without any intention of getting a job. It sustained our cities for 50 years; now it is being forced to sustain our suburbs (and illegals).


23 posted on 05/10/2013 3:03:40 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: RightLady
My 8 yr old granddaughter said Obamacare should be renamed Obamadon’tcare

A brilliant child.

I never thought I would see the day when our country would be run by people who are far less smart than eight year-olds.

God, help us.

24 posted on 05/10/2013 3:24:07 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Life, liberty, property, family, RKBA, sovereignty, security, borders, independence, the oath.)
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To: All
UNCLE OBAMA---legacy freak


25 posted on 05/10/2013 4:11:43 AM PDT by Liz (To learn who rules over you, determine who you are not allowed to criticize. Voltaire)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not noticed by most of the pundits is that the fine for not buying Obamacare is nearly identical to the average yearly tax refund. And guess just who is in charge of the collections of the fine?

The IRS.


26 posted on 05/10/2013 6:31:47 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: nascarnation
STDs are rampant in that group[...].
They actually care very much about health benefits.

And that's the problem, right there.

They care about health benefits.

About health?

Not so much.

27 posted on 05/10/2013 7:02:05 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; sheik yerbouty; nikos1121; cajungirl; Ravi; socialismisinsidious; GOPJ; ...
Why don't the House Republicans simply vote to repeal Obamacare lock, stock, and barrel now? Has it ever been more unpopular? This would put the 'Rats in the Senate and Obama himself in a sticky wicket: either (1) they go along with repeal because they recognize that Obamacare has too much of a downside while at the same time offending their wacko base or (2) they dig in against repeal and let the train wreck unfold under Obama's watch. Seems like a win-win for the GOP looking forward to the 2014 midterms.
28 posted on 05/10/2013 7:14:48 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Deathtomarxists

I had health insurance almost constantly from age 18 on but from 18 to 21 it was called free medical care in the Navy and from 21 on it was provided by employers at no cost to me. There was a short period when I was working for commission when I bought my own policy for a whopping eleven dollars a month. That was a major medical policy from Travelers and I was 26 years old at the time. At age 47, running my own business I had a policy covering my wife and me one hundred percent while in the hospital, no copays, for $113. a month. Now look what we have after all these years of government “improvements” in health care.


29 posted on 05/10/2013 7:17:47 AM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: kearnyirish2

The problem is that people are too hard to insult now. I recall when it was a huge insult to call someone lazy, now it would be ignored. To call someone a liar was once tantamount to challenging them to a duel, even when I was a small boy if someone was called a liar a fight usually followed. Strom Thurmond’s father was said to have shot a man on the street in Edgefield, SC for calling him a liar. Now an accusation of lying is nothing. When people have no standards they cannot be insulted.


30 posted on 05/10/2013 7:34:53 AM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: justiceseeker93

The House has voted to repeal it about three times now.


31 posted on 05/10/2013 8:59:04 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Brother of Rahm.


32 posted on 05/10/2013 10:08:36 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Does anyone find it odd the architects of Obamacare are saying it is a loser and offering solutions?

The real solution is not buying into what they by getting rid of the entire thing.


33 posted on 05/10/2013 10:16:46 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Gene Eric
Yeah, for sure.

My son's teacher, 31, very healthy Army guy. He had a routine knee surgery. Developed blood clots (2). Developed blood infection. Then underwent surgery to put mesh trap near heart to prevent any clots from getting to heart. In the meantime, they discovered his gall bladder has several polyps.

He's been in the hospital for about ten days and counting. I can't even imagine what the bills are going to be.

34 posted on 05/10/2013 10:20:02 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: muawiyah; 2ndDivisionVet; AuH2ORepublican; Reaganite Republican; ScottinVA; massgopguy; Lady GOP; ..
The House has voted to repeal it about three times now.

Yes, but I don't think they have done it in this session, with some polls showing Obamacare is more unpopular now than ever before as the bulk of the sh*t is about to hit the fan this coming January.

This new repeal must come with a co-ordinated long-term GOP attack on Obamacare in whatever media the GOP can use, explaining why it was repealed to avoid a disaster and letting even the low-info types understand that the ball is in the court of the Senate 'rats and the Obama White House, and if they don't go along with the repeal, you, the American citizen, might well lose your employer coverage from work or lose your job altogether, etc., etc., etc.

Victory against Obamacare must be won!!!

35 posted on 05/10/2013 11:44:32 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Deathtomarxists

Men under 35 should purchase cheap catastrophic insurance with a high deductible.


36 posted on 05/10/2013 11:48:24 AM PDT by Hildy (Falling down is how you grow. Staying down is how you die.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Deathtomarxists; nascarnation; llevrok; La Lydia; seekthetruth; speakthe truth; ...
With even erstwhile Obamacare supporters nervous as the train wreck approaches within the next year, leave it to the apparatchik Dr. Ezekiel (aka "Zeke The Freak") Emanuel, Rahm's brother, to try to save his baby from extinction with his latest Wall Street Journal piece.

The Chief Justice could have saved Zeke the trouble if he had been decent enough to resist being blackmailed in last year's SCOTUS case an ruled appropriately that the individual mandate was unconstitutional.

37 posted on 05/10/2013 12:28:02 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Yes...that was a shocker for me.


38 posted on 05/10/2013 12:31:03 PM PDT by left that other site ((Ban the ubiquitous and deadly solvent, Di-hydrogen monoxide!!!))
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To: RipSawyer

Yes, now we’re the ones who should be insulted while we work our arses off and they do nothing. My children are learning nothing but contempt for such people nowadays (with the understanding that many people that want to work can’t find it).


39 posted on 05/10/2013 2:58:19 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: riri

It gets very expensive.

Hope things work out well for the guy.


40 posted on 05/10/2013 4:44:13 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: justiceseeker93

Thanks for the ping!


41 posted on 05/10/2013 8:09:14 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: justiceseeker93

Well if the signs going up in my specialists office are any indication docs will NOT be taking NEW Medicare patients. Having a hard time finding a new primary care that will take it and TFL. We are double screwed. And don’t want to have to drive 90 mins to see the old one I don’t particularly like (he fails to read side effect list before he prescribes new drugs). We moved out of the cesspit of memphis, just a few miles across the county line, mostly country, few doctors. They are all in Memphis where the big bucks are. Rural areas are under served.

States too could stop it, under the 10th A. Course 0 would punish them by with holding fed $$.


42 posted on 05/11/2013 6:14:17 AM PDT by GailA (THOSE WHO DON'T KEEP PROMISES TO THE MILITARY, WON'T KEEP THEM TO U!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
16,000 IRS agents hired to enforce obunga care.
43 posted on 05/11/2013 6:27:47 AM PDT by sunny48
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