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California bill penalizes companies for reducing employee hours under ObamaCare
http://leginfo.ca.gov/ ^ | May 9, 2013 | Jimmy Gomez

Posted on 05/09/2013 10:10:15 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer

230.9. (a) It shall be unlawful for a large employer, as defined in Section 14199.1 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, to designate an employee as an independent contractor or temporary employee, reduce an employee's hours of work, or terminate an employee if the purpose of the action is to avoid the employer's obligations under Article 7 (commencing with Section 14199) of Chapter 7 of Part 3 of Division 9 of the Welfare and Institutions Code.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; deathpanels; healthcare; jimmygomez; jobkillers; leftistagenda; liberalagenda; lofan; obamacare; socializedmedicine; sourcetitlenoturl; tyranny
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The bill is called AB 880, amended by Assemblyman Jimmy Gomez (Tyrrany - Los Angeles). If this passes, there are only three options for business, survive if they can, leave California, or go out of business. And this makes it harder for the survival option.
1 posted on 05/09/2013 10:10:15 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

Just do what all the other businesses are doing... Pack it up and leave.

California’s politicians are too stupid to even deserve any economy.


2 posted on 05/09/2013 10:12:32 PM PDT by Bullish (May the time soon come when Obamunism is only spoken of in hell.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Texas is about to get a whole lot busier.


3 posted on 05/09/2013 10:13:53 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Vince Ferrer
if the purpose of the action is to avoid the employer's obligations

Good luck proving that. No employer would be dumb enough to admit as much.
4 posted on 05/09/2013 10:14:35 PM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: Vince Ferrer

This is a job-killer for sure. libs should be proud.


5 posted on 05/09/2013 10:15:37 PM PDT by South40
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To: Vince Ferrer

Low tier public servants trying to run other people’s businesses now. Not very bright. I imagine Jimmy Gomez is one of those low information/not very bright people who can’t find a REAL job.


6 posted on 05/09/2013 10:16:49 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America is the root cause of violent crime in Mexico. - Barack Hussein Obama Jr.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Now employers know, they have to cut back before this IDIOTIC BILL goes into effect.

Of course California isn’t constrained by ex post facto, and will try to make the law retroactive.....


7 posted on 05/09/2013 10:18:18 PM PDT by G Larry (Darkness Hates the Light)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Excellent. It should be called the Zero-Employment bill.


8 posted on 05/09/2013 10:18:47 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: CaspersGh0sts

This will enable private suits on the issue. Another gold mine for lawyers who do employment litigation. Such a shame.


9 posted on 05/09/2013 10:19:16 PM PDT by Arthurio
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To: Vince Ferrer

I wouldn’t be surprised to see the CA legislature one day pass a bill that will not allow businesses to leave.


10 posted on 05/09/2013 10:20:06 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Nachum

For the list.


11 posted on 05/09/2013 10:21:43 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Vince Ferrer

Time to go Galt!


12 posted on 05/09/2013 10:23:32 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (God help the Republic but will he?)
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To: Vince Ferrer

It shall be a crime to attempt to comply with the law, by taking an action that creates a legal exemption from the law.


13 posted on 05/09/2013 10:26:18 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

so glad I am leaving in 19 days


14 posted on 05/09/2013 10:27:58 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Vince Ferrer
There is actually a silver lining to this story:

Once idiot leftists finish ruining their communities, the last remaining sane states will DOMINATE the economy...assuming that they have the guts to rebel against them.
15 posted on 05/09/2013 10:30:21 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Jack Hydrazine

It’s already being discussed in the form of a “departure tax,” last I heard. Can’t recall the source but I know I read about it somewhere.


16 posted on 05/09/2013 10:30:37 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Vince Ferrer

This is an example of the political poison that’s given Californicate the highest unemployment rate (except only nevada). Plus 3 times its “share” of people on the dole. No sane business or investor puts money into Calif anymore (excepting computer programming and much of the growth in that is now overseas).


17 posted on 05/09/2013 10:30:53 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: Vince Ferrer

Well...who could have seen this coming. The next step is that employers will be forced to hire a certain number of workers.

I worked for a company that bought an Italian company in the 80’s. At the time (I don’t know what things are like now), the labor laws in Italy were so onerous that you essentially had to have several witness see an employee murder a co-worker in order to fire them immediately. So, this particular company had no “employees” other than the officers - everyone else worked as subcontractors as defined by their legal system! I wonder if such legal machinations are the next unintended consequences of Obamacare.


18 posted on 05/09/2013 10:32:10 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is v?ery late in the day.")
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To: Vince Ferrer
... if the purpose of the action is to avoid the employer's obligations under Article 7

Then fire 'em because they voted for Obama ;)

19 posted on 05/09/2013 10:33:11 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: coloradan

They’re going to destroy that state if it’s the last thing they do.


20 posted on 05/09/2013 10:33:18 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Jack Hydrazine

They’re not far from it...

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/blog/2012/09/comcast-tones-down-blame-on-state-for.html?page=all


21 posted on 05/09/2013 10:33:23 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Unless an employer says it was Obamacare how will CA govt prove it?
Dang, Democrats really do want to implement Cloward/Pivan.


22 posted on 05/09/2013 10:33:27 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: Jack Hydrazine
I wouldn’t be surprised to see the CA legislature one day pass a bill that will not allow businesses to leave.

Directive 10-289.

23 posted on 05/09/2013 10:33:56 PM PDT by Bob
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upcoming - it will be unlawful for businesses to move, or go out of business, to reduce their tax profiles or reduce their obamacare obligatios.


24 posted on 05/09/2013 10:36:10 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Vince Ferrer; martin_fierro

Ah. That explains the earthquake I just felt...


25 posted on 05/09/2013 10:37:33 PM PDT by null and void (America needs to be led by warriors not by lawyers)
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To: Secret Agent Man

forgot, unlawful to fire employees to reduce obamacare obligations, too.


26 posted on 05/09/2013 10:37:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Straight out of Atlas Shrugged. Not only must you obey the insane new laws, you must also not adjust your business to minimize the impact of those laws. You MUST take the maximum damage from their screwed-up ideas and “feel-good” foolishness.


27 posted on 05/09/2013 10:41:37 PM PDT by Teacher317 (Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast)
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To: Secret Agent Man; Vince Ferrer
upcoming - it will be unlawful for businesses to move, or go out of business, to reduce their tax profiles or reduce their obamacare obligatios.

Directive 10-289?

28 posted on 05/09/2013 10:42:06 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Bullish

It’s not the politicians that don’t deserve any economy — it’s the people of California who elect these numbnuts.

Hey Chevron, Texas awaits you with open arms.


29 posted on 05/09/2013 10:42:10 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Teacher317

The democrat controlled state legislature is doing to California what Jodi Arias did to her ex-boyfriend.


30 posted on 05/09/2013 10:44:11 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Vince Ferrer

This would in fact be one effect of an implementation of the infamous Directive 10-289 of “Atlas Shrugged”.


31 posted on 05/09/2013 10:44:36 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Vince Ferrer
Saw it coming. The total socialist control of California has much worse planned. Any wonder why so many are leaving?

I just hope I see the day that the Welfare queens/kings get shorted by their need for ever-increasing "stuff". I relish the day they have to sit in the Emergency Rooms even longer for their baby's sniffles.

I'm now talking to Realtors in Reno, NV and parts of Arizona.

32 posted on 05/09/2013 10:49:11 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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Fine, don't cut the hours just fire enough employess to get under the number.

A coworker told me a friend of his in this state has 58 employees. He is forming a second business and placing 29 under eachh one.

33 posted on 05/09/2013 10:51:01 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: Olog-hai

Texas is about to get a whole lot busier.”

After trying to drive in the city traffic in Houston today at 5 p.m. I would like to say that I hope no one else moves here. Between the hours of 8 p.m. and 6 a.m. are about the only times you can get where you are going within a reasonable amount of time. It’s beyond ridiculous.


34 posted on 05/09/2013 10:51:20 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

I encourage people to click through to the actual text of this legislation, and skim it, noting what a belligerent morass of intrusive regulations it proposes.


35 posted on 05/09/2013 10:53:30 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Vince Ferrer

I can’t imagine what companies (let alone normal , working, traditional American families) would want to remain in California, but I’ve been flabberghasted for years that the place is still livable at all.

Who wants to be “the last white farmer in Zimbabwe”?


36 posted on 05/09/2013 10:54:20 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: G Larry
"Now employers know, they have to cut back before this IDIOTIC BILL goes into effect. Of course California isn’t constrained by ex post facto, and will try to make the law retroactive..."

If not "retroactive", the socialists will put a new law in place. The communists are now in complete control of the once Golden State. Hope they will be happy with reduced business and personal revenues. I foresee riots like Greece. Mark my word.

37 posted on 05/09/2013 10:55:44 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: 353FMG

Dang, you outta send those retards a direct message. “Hey, Chevron, look out- Texas welcomes you with open arms! 353FMG said so!” Get to it you dummies. Thank goodness, there are good men like you- pullin’ the load.


38 posted on 05/09/2013 10:57:09 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Vince Ferrer

lol- Force them to buy somethign they can’t afford, then fien htem for making sound business decisions to try to save their company- Way to go-


39 posted on 05/09/2013 10:57:55 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Vince Ferrer

I have a friend that worked for the national park for eleven years before they put him on permanently. Will California go after the feds?


40 posted on 05/09/2013 10:59:17 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Obama is the Chicken Little of politics)
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To: Vince Ferrer

[[If this passes, there are only three options for business, survive if they can, leave California, or go out of business.]]

There’s a 4’th option, but it’s doubtful they have the balsl to do it- ALL companies which will be forced to reduce hours shoudl band together and REFUSE to pay the fines- or better yet, all companies shoudl get together in a massive coalition and REFUSE to be bullied by thewir state by making it known they WILL NOT be treated like that-

but again- they haven’t got the nerve- so they will either go out of busienss, or severely lose money and just barely make it-


41 posted on 05/09/2013 11:00:59 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Vince Ferrer

A good friend of mine in Modesto had his own business, but because of kalifornistan taxes and regs, he dissolved the company and went to work for someone else.


42 posted on 05/09/2013 11:01:19 PM PDT by LouAvul (?)
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To: Bob

Businesses will merely go out of business and reorganize elsewhere in that case. Let’s see if the Land O’Fruits-&-Nuts can run everything through the state, then.


43 posted on 05/09/2013 11:02:14 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: A Navy Vet

One of our circle of friends here in Hollywood (closet rightwing) moved 4 years ago to NV because one of the execs said that CA is the worst state to do business. You might not know this show on the Travel Channel but the HQ is now in Las Vegas. The show? well, to avoid the DU trolls, the host of this show is a good looking dude whose name starts with Z.


44 posted on 05/09/2013 11:04:05 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Olog-hai

[[Texas is about to get a whole lot busier.]]

unfortunately for Texas- California ex patriots WILL turn Texas into a lvberal state just liek htey did to Colorado and other western states and towns- Texas should Ban Californians from immigrating to their state UNLESS the sign a pact statign in no uncertain terms they will NOT contest conservative ruels and regulatiosn within the state- and if they do so they will be ousted fro mthe state-


45 posted on 05/09/2013 11:04:08 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

And a 5th option, the nuclear option. Vote in republicans to the state house.


46 posted on 05/09/2013 11:06:36 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: CottShop

Yes. I was just thinking that Texas will be blue by next election, if Ca keeps this up. It’s all over then.


47 posted on 05/09/2013 11:07:06 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

“Good luck proving that. No employer would be dumb enough to admit as much.”

Juries will be allowed to infer that. And, company emails will be killers in this regard. Because companies are doing exactly that for exactly that reason, as Obama expected them to. And there will be emails in most companies discussing exactly that. The penalties are a big part of the financing of Obamacare.


48 posted on 05/09/2013 11:08:52 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Bob

Bingo


49 posted on 05/09/2013 11:10:04 PM PDT by TheZMan (Buy more ammo.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Liberals are idiots, all this will do is 1) cause many small and medium businesses in CA to go out of business

and 2) The large corporations who survive will just hire less workers (or allow for attrition without replacement) thereby forcing their current workforce to shoulder more of teh work; this in turn (because human beings aren’t machines) will cause LESS production of the surviving businesses because the American worker can only do so much..

I’ll say it again Liberals are Idiots!


50 posted on 05/09/2013 11:10:07 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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