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Thanks For The Bailout, Suckers! GM Builds A New Plant In China
http://www.rightwingnews.com ^ | may 9, 2013 | John Hawkins

Posted on 05/10/2013 3:33:32 AM PDT by lowbridge

As a general rule, corporations should be able to build plants where they want, whether it’s in America or elsewhere. Moreover, if they choose to go overseas, we should be asking, “Why is that?” Are our corporate taxes too high? Do we have too many regulations? Is there something else that we can do as a nation to be more business-friendly, to keep building plants here in America, so that we can employ more people and rake in more taxes?

However, it’s a little different with a company like General Motors.

Taxpayers lost more than 10 billion bailing out GM because Obama thinks it’s fine for his corporate allies to embrace capitalism on the way up and socialism on the way down. Now, GM’s taking some of that money that it pilfered from us and it’s building a plant in China with it.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automakers; china; gm; manufacturing; obama; sourcetitlenoturl
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1 posted on 05/10/2013 3:33:32 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

Employing more Chinese is a TOP PRIORITY for Team Obama and Gubmint Motors.


2 posted on 05/10/2013 3:41:52 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: lowbridge

Fewer UAW jobs. Sucks, huh?


3 posted on 05/10/2013 3:42:51 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Second American Revolution)
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To: ryan71

Ah that “free” trade....that’s free for everyone but the US.
At least UAW wages stay in the country.


4 posted on 05/10/2013 3:44:06 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: lowbridge

Didn’t see this coming


5 posted on 05/10/2013 4:27:16 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: iopscusa

I used to own two GM products. However since Obama I now own a Jeep and a Ford and have no intention of ever owning another GM product.


6 posted on 05/10/2013 4:32:44 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by Obama")
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To: chainsaw

I am car shopping and I told the used car dealer I didnt want to look at any “Government Motors” products- and he said “I hear that a lot”


7 posted on 05/10/2013 4:54:59 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: lowbridge

Like a sinking rock.


8 posted on 05/10/2013 4:56:24 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: lowbridge

The main reason any car company, or aircraft company, has built factories in China is cost. It’s cheaper to build the product for the Chinese market in China, and eliminates the issues with importing the items into China. If they started selling the cars produced there in America, at the cost of closing American plants, then there would be a problem. It’s good to see that they have some economic common sense to lower costs of producing cars for the Chinese market, by building them there.


9 posted on 05/10/2013 5:04:57 AM PDT by AnAmericanInEngland
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To: lowbridge

Corporations should be allowed to what they like with their capital. That’s basic freedom of association. If America is toxic to capital, that’s not the fault of capital.

But this is a case of a company which exists today solely due to Government intervention. GM is a money-laundering scheme to use taxpayer funds to pay for immense pension liabilities and green shibboleths.

We shouldn’t be worrying about where they stick their damn plants. That’s besides the point.

GM is a toxic welfare parasite. American taxpayers should demand their money back and let the GM union scrabble for its bloated pensions in bankruptcy court.


10 posted on 05/10/2013 5:17:16 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: agere_contra
That’s basic freedom of association.

Gee, so the whole cold war thing was bogus, we should have traded and support the Soviet Regime through out the 1950's 60's 70's and 80s. /SARCASM

11 posted on 05/10/2013 5:22:03 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: AnAmericanInEngland
and eliminates the issues with importing the items into China.

And what "issues" would that be? Like draconian Chink import tariffs which Free Traders ignore? Hmmm?

12 posted on 05/10/2013 5:23:39 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: lowbridge

At least their quality will improve.


13 posted on 05/10/2013 5:25:47 AM PDT by BO Stinkss ( I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
All because of those dastardly Miltonian free traders....

:-)

14 posted on 05/10/2013 5:26:16 AM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Mr. K

Good for you!


15 posted on 05/10/2013 5:30:30 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by Obama")
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To: iopscusa

Actually, this isn’t a trade issue. But nice try.

And when you see all those over paid union thugs buying properties where? Vacationing where? The Carribean. Their wages often do NOT stay in the country. Bailing them out destroys the economy too. You cannot defend the UAW and be anything even approaching a conservative.


16 posted on 05/10/2013 5:31:04 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: central_va

This trade is going the other way, but you are too blind to even see it.


17 posted on 05/10/2013 5:32:29 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Lakeshark

The cultists are out: they see free trade in every issue. They blame trade for everything, for Benghazi, for Monica Lewinsky, for gay marriage, for everything. They think everyone in favor of it is a Chinese agent. They are classic cultists.


18 posted on 05/10/2013 5:33:40 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: central_va

The GM plant was opened in China to supplement those already there to supply the market.

You always manage to forget there is a big world out there. Were it not for China, GM would be dead.


19 posted on 05/10/2013 5:34:54 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: lowbridge

The people of China thank their friends the American taxpayers for reducing the cost of cars for the Chinese people, and invite their good friends to come to China to buy the GM cars put together by Chinese workers!


20 posted on 05/10/2013 5:36:43 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: central_va

Agreed.

We have an extremely open system.

What we do not pay enough attention to is, China has a very closed system. The opposite of ours.

While we are flooded with imports (mostly from China, which hires zero Americans making any of it) China is filled with domestic goods.

China makes stuff sold here.

And China makes stuff sold in China.


21 posted on 05/10/2013 5:38:09 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Gee being pro American and wanting to retaliate against unfair trade practices is unpatriotic, but supporting communist regimes via bone me up < deleted > trade is patriotic.

War is peace.
Ignorance is strength.
Freedom is slavery.

22 posted on 05/10/2013 5:39:09 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Hey, let's go get ourselves a Chinese beer and discuss how much the UAW has helped America be great......while smugly suggesting a VAT (even more taxes) will mystically help us be greater......

heh heh heh.....

23 posted on 05/10/2013 5:40:05 AM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: iopscusa

At least UAW wages stay in the country.

Partly correct: Many parts are manufactured in, or are completely assembled in Canada.


24 posted on 05/10/2013 5:41:27 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by Obama")
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I am glad the free traitors don’t have free reign over Free Republic anymore. It is heartening that the ones pinning Lady America to the floor while every country rapes her are getting flak......


25 posted on 05/10/2013 5:42:15 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Lakeshark

Look the alternative to Union labor is not foreign labor.

That is just as bad. Worse even.

The alternative is other American labor.


26 posted on 05/10/2013 5:42:33 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Lakeshark

What percent of manufacturing is done in the USA by union labor? Do you know?


27 posted on 05/10/2013 5:43:14 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: lowbridge
As a general rule, corporations should be able to build plants where they want, whether it’s in America or elsewhere.

BS. By transferring our industry and manufacturing to Red China Free Traitors have absolutely ruined this country. Even with high taxes, over regulation, and corrupt unions we had prosperity and those things could have been dealt with. But without plentiful, high paying, wealth creating jobs this country is finished. The people that deliberately did this to us need to be put on trial and punished.

28 posted on 05/10/2013 5:44:03 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Look the alternative to Union labor is not foreign labor. That is just as bad. Worse even. The alternative is other American labor.

Worth repeating.

29 posted on 05/10/2013 5:44:14 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

China makes stuff sold here.
And China makes stuff sold in China.

And most of it is junk!


30 posted on 05/10/2013 5:44:44 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by Obama")
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To: central_va
Yes.

That's not the point.

They have power beyond their actual output. Way beyond what they should. That's why they invested so heavily in Bambi.

That's why they are so readily protected and rewarded by this "fair trade" anti-free trade administration. They put him in power, he keeps them in power. It's the Chicago Way.

But I guess you forgot that.......

31 posted on 05/10/2013 5:47:27 AM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Lakeshark
They have power beyond their actual output.

Is that supposed to have meaning? What?...

32 posted on 05/10/2013 5:49:16 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Look the alternative to Union labor is not foreign labor.

I never said that.

33 posted on 05/10/2013 5:49:45 AM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: central_va
How do you think they got Boeing to stop their new plant from going forward?

Man, you are dense.

34 posted on 05/10/2013 5:50:52 AM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Had they not subcontracted production, sales would have evaporated. The companies would have died.

You don’t understand that the forces you deem as Free Trade are actually competition. If you chose not to compete, you end up not playing.

The American total dominance after WW II was anomaly, not normality.


35 posted on 05/10/2013 5:52:54 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: Lakeshark

Well do you know what the stats are? What the percent of manufacturing done by unionized workers?


36 posted on 05/10/2013 5:53:34 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Yes I do, like I said that's not the point.

Why do you think Boeing wasn't allowed to build a plant in a non union state? I notice you didn't answer that one.

And here I thought you were actually interested in non union jobs.......

37 posted on 05/10/2013 5:55:38 AM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Lakeshark
Ok, since you know, what percent of manufacturing is done by unionized workers in the USA?

In better times what happened in South Carolina and Boeing would have started secession and possibly Civil War II. These are not better times.

38 posted on 05/10/2013 5:57:39 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: iopscusa

Giving taxpayer money to GM to open plants in China is not anything remotely related to “free trade” - it is government-sanctioned theft. It is a betrayal of not only taxpayers but of American union workers, who although they have no natural right to employment, have a right not to have their own government screw them.


39 posted on 05/10/2013 6:00:12 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: central_va
In better times the Labor board would not have had the power to do what they did.

How did they get that power?

40 posted on 05/10/2013 6:01:53 AM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Lakeshark

Answer my question or we are done conversing.


41 posted on 05/10/2013 6:03:05 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: bert

I am so sick of this one big world bs. That mentality along with the Bush One World Order crowd has screwed this country. We don’t need to be one happy family. F the rest of the world. I am sick of giving money away in the form of gift, technology, and ideas. If you want to run a multi-country conglomeration then you do it without my tax dollars, period.

We should have never allowed foreign nationals to work or go to school in this country without some sort of stop gap to keep our intellectual property and assets here.

If these companies weren’t worried about growth at all costs and opening “new” markets and focusing on making business run here efficiently they we would not need to go offshore.


42 posted on 05/10/2013 6:08:58 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Lakeshark; All
For those of you who are lurking on this thread, the actual amount of unionized labor in the private sector manufacturing is a lot smaller than people think. Most off shored manufacturing jobs were NOT union jobs, that is what the Free Traders want you to believe. It is a religion based on beliefs, not facts.

Here are the facts:

Manufacturing (in thousands ):
Total employed:  Unionized:  Percent union:
	13,599 	 1,424        10.5

BLS link here.

43 posted on 05/10/2013 6:09:50 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Frankly, it looks like the conversation ended when you started it.

The point you are trying to make isn't worthy of discussion without addressing what I said: Their power is far beyond what they actually do with their share of ouput.

44 posted on 05/10/2013 6:09:57 AM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: central_va; Lakeshark

First of all, you are NOT being pro American. America is an idea, not just a piece of real estate, and protecting business practices and unions and over whelming government is NOT BEING PRO AMERICAN. I TOTALLY REJECT AND RESENT YOUR BULLSHIT PREMISE. Stuff that is anti liberty that happens to take place on American soil IS NOT PRO AMERICAN.

I also resent the implication that being pro trade is being anti American. I have called you economically ignorant, and I stand by that, but I have never questioned your patriotism and you can just fk yourself if you really question mine. It is very very very telling that the anti traders blame EVERY problem on trade and call all pro traders as Anti American. That is proof of a weak intellectual argument.


45 posted on 05/10/2013 6:16:25 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Lakeshark

CV can’t stay on topic, because she (he?) is emotionally tied to notions that logic will not impact. CV also thinks America is a piece of real estate, not an idea. It is a piece of real estate to be sure, but the more sacred part of America is the idea. When tyranny and central planning rules on the real estate, it is worthless. That’s a concept simply beyond the grasp of certain IQ levels.


46 posted on 05/10/2013 6:20:23 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Resolute Conservative

There is no “one big happy family”. There are a near infinite number of competitors.

There can be no return to pristine precolumbian days nor to pre telex days not to pre 747 days nor pre fax days nor pre e mail/www days.

There is no return to some fanciful imagined pre global trade condition


47 posted on 05/10/2013 6:20:23 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Last I looked I was a he...

However like GloBULL warming hoax, the Free Trade mantra is a religion. And you are one of the Free Republic high priest or priestesses?

48 posted on 05/10/2013 6:23:11 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: bert

This is so true. Trade is a fact of reality. Economics would be easier to figure without it, but unless the Muzzies get their way and bomb us all back in time several hundred years, globalization is here, period. That’s what the anti traders refuse to understand.

And yet Bert, I think they know it. I think that’s why they are so frothed at the mouth, and why they immediately try and claim the ‘pro America’ label and are so quick to apply the “Chinese masters” label, etc, to those who oppose them. It’s also why they blame every single econ problem on free trade, as if A: free trade has ever existed and B: as if that’s the only factor.

They know they are trying to run up a down escalator....they know reality is against them - they just can’t access enough econ IQ to understand that econs always work out better for more people when there is maximum liberty.


49 posted on 05/10/2013 6:24:06 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: central_va

No, yours is the blind religion. You are the ones who go off the rails questioning patriotism and claiming Chinese masters and blaming every single problem on trade.

Pro traders never do that. We claim you are ignorant, and we stand by it, as would many more great conservative economists than you can shake a stick at, but we never claim anything is the magic bullet or the poison pill, and we never question your patriotsim.

You are the ones actling like classic Kool Aid cultists, including the very liberal ploy of PROJECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


50 posted on 05/10/2013 6:26:11 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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