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State Department Orders Firm To Remove 3D-Printed Guns Web Blueprints
The Guardian ^ | May 10,2013 | Amanda Holpuch,Ewen MacAskill,Charles Arthur

Posted on 05/10/2013 4:29:22 AM PDT by Biggirl

The US government has blocked a Texas-based company from distributing details online of how to make a plastic gun using a 3-D printer.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 3dprinters; banglist; guncontrol; guns; rkba; secondamendment
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Feds "freaked out".
1 posted on 05/10/2013 4:29:22 AM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

The feline has disassociated with the sack.


2 posted on 05/10/2013 4:31:25 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Biggirl
It's easier for bad guys to buy stuff on the street.

I still see directions for a sling shot on the web. Hell...one of them killed a giant!!

3 posted on 05/10/2013 4:32:07 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Biggirl

Making tiny digital files illegal? Bet a virus will be spreading said file to users all over the globe within a few months.


4 posted on 05/10/2013 4:32:30 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Biggirl

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Sling-Shot


5 posted on 05/10/2013 4:33:25 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Biggirl

Meanwhile you can still make a functional firearm in your garage with simple tools.


6 posted on 05/10/2013 4:33:29 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do ithat when I have a fire.)
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To: Biggirl

Dear gun grabbers,

Good luck putting that cat back in the bag. You’ll need more than luck. But what decent government would worry about ordinary citizens being armed? [Ha ha!]

sincerely,

- A Decent American


7 posted on 05/10/2013 4:34:00 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Sacajaweau
It's easier for bad guys to buy stuff on the street.

Yup, background checks are a pointless waste of time and money when a gun can be bought on the street with no questions asked. One of our local columnists is doing an investigation at my suggestion. I suggested that he go to the hood and ask around and he was in shock at how easy it is.
8 posted on 05/10/2013 4:37:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Biggirl
Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug
9 posted on 05/10/2013 4:43:15 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Biggirl
I just got these blueprints via torrent. Shiver me timbers!!

Don't suppose the d-bags at State have ever heard of the Streisand effect.

10 posted on 05/10/2013 4:44:17 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I call it messin' with the kid.)
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To: MrEdd

Doubt it. The horse is out of the barn.


11 posted on 05/10/2013 4:52:01 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: driftdiver

You got it. The cat is out of the bag.


12 posted on 05/10/2013 4:52:45 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

Once it’s on the Internet it can’t be stopped. They could ban 3D printers but the cat’s already out of the bag.


13 posted on 05/10/2013 4:54:52 AM PDT by McGruff (You are either with us or you are with the RINOs.)
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To: Biggirl

Nobody asking ‘by what authority’? 1st Amendment Rights, HELLO?!

Good thing torrents don’t worry too much about over-reaching, Unconstitutional Federal edicts.

What’s next, outlawing the hacker-space who can cobble together a 3-D printer from scrap parts (I buy the better quality myself :P)?


14 posted on 05/10/2013 4:58:48 AM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: Notary Sojac
I just got these blueprints via torrent

Me too w/ a torrent on a related thread.  The 'Liberator' itself is just a couple megs and the zip file has an interesting 'read me'  w/ the latest tweek of a couple days ago to comply w/ the 'undetectable' law:

...How to legally assemble the DD Liberator:
-Print (ONLY) the frame sideways (the shortest dimension is the Z axis). USC18 922(p)(2)(A)*: "For the purposes of this subsection (The Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988) - the term 'firearm' does not include the frame or receiver of any such weapon;"
Thus, you can legally print ONLY the frame entirely in plastic, even without 3.7 ounces of steel.

-Once the frame is finished, epoxy a 1.19x1.19x0.99" block of steel in the 1.2x1.2x1.0" hole in front of the trigger guard. Add the bottom cover over the metal if you don't want it to show.

-Once the epoxy has tried, the steel is no longer removable, and is an integral part of the frame. Now your gun has ~6 ounces of steel and is thus considered a 'detectable' firearm. So now you can print all the other parts....

*http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-102/pdf/STATUTE-102-Pg3816.pdf

15 posted on 05/10/2013 5:02:27 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Biggirl

Where do they get the authority to ‘order’ someone around?


16 posted on 05/10/2013 5:09:35 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Biggirl

I felt so bad for having downloaded it, I surrendered my copy to the DHS... just emailed the file to them as an attachment.

Wait a minute... there’s still a copy on my computer. Now what? Guess I should send this copy too. But then there’d be 3 copies. I’m in a quandary.

It’s, it’s growing...


17 posted on 05/10/2013 5:14:39 AM PDT by moovova
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To: Biggirl

There’s enough copies out there that they can be put on disk and distributed all over the place in hard copy.Would be cool to see it in my library. The Anarchist’s Cookbook is still out there so what’s the problem?


18 posted on 05/10/2013 5:15:38 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: Sacajaweau

Indeed.

3D printers cost what, about $1500 and up?

So the Feds are freaking that someone might spend $1500 to acquire a crappy one-shot .22 pistol?

Meanwhile, its perfectly legal to make your own AR-15 lower, purchase the rest through the mail (well, in the free states). Or one could spend an afternoon making a double barrel 12ga zip gun with an electric drill and $30 of material from the hardware store. I think publishing the design for the latter would be a lot more scarey than a 3D pop gun.


19 posted on 05/10/2013 5:21:10 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Mr. K

That’s what I thought: US State Dept doesn’t know beans about how our gov’t is supposed to run or maybe it doesn’t matter in a dictatorship? What difference does it make?


20 posted on 05/10/2013 5:22:32 AM PDT by RHS Jr (Pity the banksters when Jesus comes)
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To: Renegade
The New World Order collapsed yesterday. There's a new New World Order that allows your more technologically advanced folks to print up serviceable firearms up in the privacy of their own homes, or work, or wherever they can set up a 3-D printer using simple household ingredients!

The established order always fears the rise of a new NOBILITY because they will always overthrow and execute the old ELITISTS!

State Department is jumping once again at the command of their foreign masters ~ they, of course, have the most to lose.

Won't happen overnight.

21 posted on 05/10/2013 5:23:14 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SampleMan

Designs for homemade guns have been on the internet since practically the beginning


22 posted on 05/10/2013 5:24:44 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: Biggirl

The Feds should have tried throwing a stimulus at it, they might have gotten lucky. Everything that has been touched by Fed money has died.

Actually this is a godsend the Feds clamping down like this, its just like the ammo situation, EVERYONE is buying ammo even if they have no guns. I will be buying my weekly allotment of ammo of a couple of popular calibers of which I have no firearms for, just because I think I should do it RIGHT NOW.

And here is hoping somewhere in Texas there is a group setting up shop making thousands of hard copies of various Liberator gun designs.

Or millions.


23 posted on 05/10/2013 5:25:08 AM PDT by Spartan302 (Spartans never quit, they come back later with more warriors.)
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To: muawiyah

Not really.

With so many downloads, the cat is out of the bag. To late for the feds.

Revolt is coming.


24 posted on 05/10/2013 5:30:02 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: McGruff

They are more likely to require background checks, licensing, and registration of nails (used as firing pin).
More goobermint jobs that way.


25 posted on 05/10/2013 5:36:21 AM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: SampleMan

“So the Feds are freaking that someone might spend $1500 to acquire a crappy one-shot .22 pistol?”

It’s a precedence they are setting. This time it’s a crappy single shot .22. Technology will advance, but nobody is really challenging the Fed in seizing the CAD files.

The Fed doesn’t care about THIS gun. The Fed cares about future weapons it can’t tax and control. YOUR gubment hard at work, and not a peep about the constitutionality or the precedent set.


26 posted on 05/10/2013 5:37:58 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: Mr. K
Where do they get the authority to ‘order’ someone around?

Evidently it's the DOD weapons export law. 

OK, so the US military should have the right to stop foreign enemies from getting US defense technology, but this is clearly a political issue that has nothing to do with defense.  I mean, next they could use the law to shut down the freerepublic because someone here said the pentagon was in Washington and somehow that was supposed to be a secret.

27 posted on 05/10/2013 5:42:35 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Biggirl

Obama fears the most some lone wolf operator coming right out of the blue with a non detectable possibly printed type of weapon and successfully gets near enough to enact bodily harm.

A repeat of Lincolns assassination? Wear the shoes and hat and follow the footsteps of the past you go to the same destination I suppose.

They fear these 3D guns more so than high cap mags apparently which are being 3D printed nationally right this very second.


28 posted on 05/10/2013 5:45:28 AM PDT by Spartan302 (Spartans never quit, they come back later with more warriors.)
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To: SampleMan
3D printers cost what, about $1500 and up?

Available at Amazon

There's also a $999 printer by "UP" but I understand the gripe is u have to use their propriatary ABS.   The question is whether this one can do the 'Liberator'.  The specs say it's limited to print out sizes up to a five-inch cube max.  That plus the strength of the finished prototype is only 30% that of the original ABS.

29 posted on 05/10/2013 5:48:26 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Biggirl

Actually you can buy one of these and build your own AR-15 without a FFL background check.

http://www.tacticalmachining.com/80-ar-15-lower-receiver.html


30 posted on 05/10/2013 5:51:36 AM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: Biggirl

The criminal fascist syndicate occupying Washington is powerless to stop it. This incident is another of ten-thousand brushfires that the federal fascists have neither the manpower nor resources to stop.

Every patriot needs to think of an action to muck up the federal fascist machinery and implement it. This 3-D weapon is one example of many.

The fascists now need to devote manpower and resources to try to stop the 3-D weapon. That takes away resources that are used to implement their illegal fascist dictates. The strategy is to overwhelm the fascists with problems to solve and get them running around in circles, extinguishing brushfires.


31 posted on 05/10/2013 5:52:18 AM PDT by sergeantdave (No, I don't have links for everything I post)
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To: DariusBane

If there IS a revolution the Feds do NOT fear going head to head with citizens armed with AR or AK rifles.they will just bring out the tanks, drones, flame throwers and such.

But they cannot defend absolutely against a back alley confrontation, parking lot, elevator, stairwell assassination of a person with a Liberator style pistol, especially after its been taken past metal detectors.

taking out the Federal warriors one at a time with a disposable cheap .22 pistol is what they fear the most, because it would work.


32 posted on 05/10/2013 5:57:32 AM PDT by Spartan302 (Spartans never quit, they come back later with more warriors.)
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To: Biggirl

State Department?


33 posted on 05/10/2013 5:57:47 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: varyouga

34 posted on 05/10/2013 5:57:51 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Notary Sojac; MHGinTN

I have the .stl files for all the parts to be interpreted by the printer but no drawings in a graphic format

If you have a 3D printer, I have the files


35 posted on 05/10/2013 6:04:49 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: Biggirl
No, really ~ this is WORLDWIDE, not something confined to the USA.

Every smart guy on the planet now has the plans to build a virtually invisible firearm that will enable him or her to dispose of those who would harm him or her at a distance.

The key is INVISIBLE, not that it's a firearm ~ this cannot be detected except when it's fired.

36 posted on 05/10/2013 6:06:31 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Cite your sources please or it will be regarded as conspiracy theory nutty thinking. Thank-you.


37 posted on 05/10/2013 6:10:04 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: muawiyah

The reality is that the cat is out of the bag, the feds LOST, proof is that by the tons of downloads that took place.


38 posted on 05/10/2013 6:12:03 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
have you been reading about this particular device or have you been asleep off in a corner somewhere. he has to add a 6 ounce piece of steel or iron or something to the grip to make it visible to standard detection devices.

Congress already outlawed INVISIBLE (to detector) firearms!

We'll need to roll that back, but in the rest of the world ~ BTW, my source? The internet is a worldwide phenomenon ~ that's common knowledge. The fact you'd challenge common knowledge tells me you are not up on this situation at all, or maybe you are ~ so, tell us why you now think funny little foreign people everywhere can't have access to the internet?

Well, that settled that ~ this gun design is invisible to electronic detectors ~ it's not just a single shot emergency firearm.

It's very close to a world weapon ~ 7 billion of these little buggers and there's not a corrupt totalitarian regime on Earth that will last a month ~ unless the people are satisfied to have things that way (see: China)

39 posted on 05/10/2013 6:18:46 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Okieshooter

People should look into “maker spaces” or “hacker spaces”.

http://makerspace.com/makerspace-directory

They are community places where you can use the machines to build whatever you want. Memberships vary but are reasonable.


40 posted on 05/10/2013 6:20:27 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: muawiyah

A URL link is needed okay? You got it! Go get a LINK please! THANK-YOU.


41 posted on 05/10/2013 6:22:02 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

What in the h.... are you talking about. have you read the last 7,841,328 threads on this particualar topic AND that’s just the ones on FR? This is all common knowledge ~ you can go back to the old invisible plastic gun debates if you want ~ good grief!!!!!


42 posted on 05/10/2013 6:24:20 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Please see post number 41. It did not settle it.


43 posted on 05/10/2013 6:24:55 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
i don't think you are on top of the topic ~ this is about State using a law we all knew about to tell this guy to quit exporting the specs for a firearm.

That particular firearm has been well covered in several recent FR threads ~ you seem to have not read them.

Get back to me when you have a basic understanding of the current topic and the several that preceed it.

44 posted on 05/10/2013 6:27:09 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

But this is still new to me, still learning. The learning NEVER stops.


45 posted on 05/10/2013 6:27:50 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
They are using the International Traffic in Arms Regulations, which govern export of arms from the US. Per the munitions list, export of regular firearms is regulated. Also in that same document is:
(i) Technical data (as defined in § 120.10 of this subchapter) and defense services (as de- fined in § 120.9 of this subchapter) directly re- lated to the defense articles enumerated in paragraphs (a) through (h) of this category. Technical data directly related to the manu- facture or production of any defense articles enumerated elsewhere in this category that are designated as Significant Military Equip- ment (SME) shall itself be designated SME.
Since the Internet is global, putting manufacturing instructions on the net is an "export" of "Technical data ... directly related to the defense articles enumerated in paragraphs (a) through (h)", per their interpretation of the regulations.

They used the same approach to try to stop dissemination of PGP encryption some years ago.

46 posted on 05/10/2013 6:28:16 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Thank-you, thank-you, this is what I wanted!


47 posted on 05/10/2013 6:30:27 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3016699/posts ~ and that has URLs to take you to sites where you, yourself, can download the technical instructions to manufacture this firearm on your own home 3d printer. 3D printers are NOT new, but they are much cheaper now. This one is $1500 ~ last time I looked they were all over $10,000 and used more exotic materials.


48 posted on 05/10/2013 6:32:13 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: PapaBear3625

Good informtion there.


49 posted on 05/10/2013 6:32:57 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: muawiyah

Thank-you for your help!


50 posted on 05/10/2013 6:33:28 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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