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Pope Francis' First Crisis? Defiant Archbishop Refuses to Quit
ABC/Univision ^ | 5/0/2013 | Santiago Wills

Posted on 05/10/2013 5:44:53 AM PDT by cll

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To: pgkdan

Archbishop is a title. My understanding is that they can be fired, but once he is fired he would remain a bishop for life.

Being a bishop is a title that cannot normally be removed as it involves Holy Orders (i.e. a sacrament) and stays with you for life.


21 posted on 05/10/2013 6:36:26 AM PDT by impimp
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To: pax_et_bonum
It’s called forced laicization, more casually referred to as “defrocking”.

Only by secular neophytes. Neither word appears in Canon Law. The correct term is dismissal.

22 posted on 05/10/2013 6:42:57 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: cll

My point is that I statehood wouldn’t seem to be a matter for the Vatican’s consideration one way or the other.


23 posted on 05/10/2013 6:44:05 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: cll

"We just stopped sending him paychecks...

...and the problem just .. fixes itself!"


24 posted on 05/10/2013 6:47:46 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: pgkdan

Per Canon Law, Nieves can be dismissed from the clerical state and excommunicated.


25 posted on 05/10/2013 6:48:29 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: saganite

The thing is, he forces his political views on the parishioners, and that was the source of one of the complaints: asking the Vatican to tell the Archbishop to cease and desist from engaging in island politics. He just won’t stop.


26 posted on 05/10/2013 6:54:16 AM PDT by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

What is difference between “dismissed from the clerical state” and “forced laicization”?


27 posted on 05/10/2013 6:56:50 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum (God Bless America)
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To: pax_et_bonum

One term is canonical and one term is secular.


28 posted on 05/10/2013 6:59:29 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

So, they mean the same thing?


29 posted on 05/10/2013 7:00:33 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum (God Bless America)
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To: madison10

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!


30 posted on 05/10/2013 7:03:39 AM PDT by FatherFig1o155 (Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil. -- Thomas Paine)
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To: cll

Time to let the Swiss Guard pay a visit to Puerto Rico.


31 posted on 05/10/2013 7:06:51 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: cll

Send a cardinal to deliver a formal written declaration of his excommunication and declaring him apostate.


32 posted on 05/10/2013 7:13:42 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: FatherFig1o155
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Lol!
33 posted on 05/10/2013 7:17:49 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum (God Bless America)
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To: verga

I think the United States may have something to say about Europeans sending government serving mercenaries to operate over here in our neighborhood.


34 posted on 05/10/2013 7:38:30 AM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: cll

Does the Swiss Guard have a SWAT team?


35 posted on 05/10/2013 8:05:33 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: pgkdan

But he can take away his rights to perform mass, hear confessions, etc.

Which is what will happen. He’ll do exactly that - call the archbishop to Rome. If the archbishop refuses to come then he’ll be excommunicated. He’ll appoint a new archbishop.


36 posted on 05/10/2013 8:06:14 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: cll

anybody here know the Latin for “you are fired”?


37 posted on 05/10/2013 8:34:43 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“anybody here know the Latin for “you are fired”?”

Vos delenda est...


38 posted on 05/10/2013 8:51:17 AM PDT by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: cll
This article at Vatican Insider says the Holy See cleared the "pedophile-protector" charge levied against against the Archbishop.

Absent that charge, I see no grounds for dismissal. An admonishment, perhaps, but not dismissal.

~Theo

39 posted on 05/10/2013 10:09:58 AM PDT by Teófilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: cll
This is my take in Spanish.

~Theo

40 posted on 05/10/2013 10:52:47 AM PDT by Teófilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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