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Posted on 05/10/2013 7:12:29 AM PDT by Olog-hai
Jewish Scouting leaders are taking a vocal role in efforts to pass a historic resolution that would partially lift a ban on gays in the Boy Scouts of America.
In a meeting of the National Jewish Committee on Scouting in February, members voted overwhelmingly in favor of a resolution lifting the BSAs longstanding ban on gay members. The resolution would not change the BSAs ban on gay adult leaders.
I am advocating for complete change and inclusiveness, NJCOS Chairman A.J. Kreimer told JTA this week. Im speaking with other people and as an area president, one of 26 in the country, I have advocated for fellow Scouters to do the same.
The struggle over the BSAs position on gays has divided the national youth organization at a time when public opinion has grown markedly more accepting of homosexuality.
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A better idea is for all the homes to be welcomed into the ranks of the Jewish Scouts.
The public accepts prostitutes, alcoholics and drug addicts. This doesn't mean they approve of the lifestyle. Sigh, why are American Jews the most liberal on the planet?
"On my honor I will do my best ..."
Frankly this is illustrative of the effect a Jewish agenda can have.
Not entirely knocking it. But it can and does go overboard.
Some places do much better without Jewish influences setting an agenda. Boy Scouts is one of them.
Hollywood for example is run by Jewish influences. (I know, I know, but it mostly is)
All gay, all the time.
We need a bit less of that. It is not all wrong, but where it is wrong, it can take over.
I believe the Boy Scouts should be left (exactly) as they are.
This is why Orthodox Jews I know no longer hide their open contempt for liberal JINOs. The comments sections on Jewish websites show an outright civil war.
That’s not a Jewish agenda at all. It’s a liberal agenda without an ounce of Jewishness to it. Having had Jewish parentage on one side of my family, I attest to that and stand by that.
I’m always leery to take on Jewish influences, partially because they are (profoundly) influential in America.
There is a lot good about Jews and I support them for the most part.
However they tend to get involved then take over. I do not want them to take over Boy Scouts.
I want the Boy Scouts to remain exactly as they are.
Okay; thats veering towards Stormfront/Islamist rhetoric. Dont conflate Jews and liberals again, please. Liberalism permeates many other peoples too no matter what religion or ethnicity (save, apparently, Islam). I already have enough problems with what the Irish are doing in terms of liberalism, and I do have many Orthodox relatives that have nothing to do with what the liberals of Jewish extraction do.
There is a lot good about Jews and I support them for the most part.
However they tend to get involved then take over
Sorry as a Boy Scout I will stand my ground on this subject.
Don’t want the criticism?
Then do not go there.
Leave Scouts alone. Period.
Remember when you were a kid and your parents would say, "I don't care if all your friends are doing it. If all your friends were jumping off a bridge and getting killed, would you do it too?"
You have no call to stand your ground on “the Joooz”, sorry. Liberals, absolutely. Call them what they are.
Liberal Jews how about.
That a good compromise? That may border on racism, but the truth may also.
There is some generality possible. It is not everything about the subject, and that is the tragedy that Hitler visited on the Jewish people - people are not interested in generality when millions of their brethren and sisters, were murdered.
I get all that, and for the most part agree with the Jewish agenda.
But I will criticise it when it strays into my own.
It is straying into my own territory on this issue, and I will speak up.
Threaten me with racial buzzwords all you like. I am not a racist, but I will also not be cowed into silence.
It occurs to me that with our media, the police, the Politicians giving us a constant drumbeat of “it’s for the children” and we must protect the “children; that the very idea or concept of us putting our children, aka ‘young men” into situations where sexual predators are not only allowed but “celebrated” for diversity’s sake is not only extremely stupid/dumb/idiotic but hazardous on so damn many levels is an insane proposition. The Boy Scouts leadership(s) should fight back and not knuckle down to these chowderheads for if they do because of “Money/Funding” then they Boy Scouts of America is a doomed organization. No conscientious family will risk putting their sons at risk in this manner.
With that being said, I have no doubt that they will capitulate. Such is life... They might as well just shut the whole thing down, it would be so much kinder for the organization to die while fighting for their principles than as an object of ignoble disgrace for compromising on their Core Principles.
And yes I know, that the current proposal is only for admitting openly Gay/homosexual youngsters and not troop leaders. Anyone with a lick of common sense knows that the slippery slope is no longer ahead of the organization, they are sliding down it at full speed. There will be openly Gay/Homosexual Scout within a few years because they will not want to fight anti-discrimination lawsuits over it.
Liberal Jews is exactly what they are.
And what do you perceive a “Jewish agenda” to be? That phrase is too close to “Zionist agenda”.
Ha ok enough then.
Isn’t there enough in the Old Testament about sin and homo lifestyle?
Yes there is. Jews without a book I guess.
There are too many liberal Jews nowadays, no matter what country, and especially in Israel; I just read a statement from a liberal Jew on another website who regards Jerusalem Day as a holiday for the country’s so-called “religious right” and not for all Jews.
“On my honor I will do my best ...”
Now why don’t we just publish the entire BOY SCOUT OATH:
“On my honor, I will do my best... To do my duty to God and my country... and to obey the Scout Law; To help other people at all times; To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.”
Morally STRAIGHT! Not a dimrat alive could honestly take that oath.
Liberal Judaism and Liberal Christianity are strange birds. Its an indication of those who don’t really believe but want the social trappings of religion. Being a Jew or Christian or Catholic is just a label they embrace often purposely to undermine the very religion they identify with.
Liberals are like that. That is why they seek to force their way into predominantly conservative organizations. You never see conservatives trying to become members of GLAAD or other left wing groups nor do we try to take over them or change their policies. That is the difference between conservatives and liberals. We may not like them but we respect their freedom to believe what they believe and run their organizations the way they see fit. That is something that used to be appreciated in this country. The idea of Freedom of Association today has become chained down in order to promote politically correct homogeneity.
The whole idea of gay scouts is based on a false narrative. The first being that young people of scouting age are mature enough to identify with a sexual orientation and even if they are should it be something that is a focus? Scouting was never about sex in my troop. It was the furthest thing from our minds and that was a good thing and while that may not be the case for ever child its during this time of development that it is important that bad sexual influences not enter in. The last thing a young man needs who is just starting to deal with his sexuality is another misguided boy showing sexual interest in him. So much time is spent on the self esteem of self identified homosexuals but what about the majority of normal boys?
Do we really want to tolerate the environment at campouts that is indistinguishable from that at English boarding schools? I sure don’t. Its unnecessary. Homosexuality by its very nature is largely predatory simply because most people do not have such overt tendencies which means that those with such drives who wish to fulfill them usually have to do it through subterfuge with those who identify as straight usually involving some form of sexual overtness. A friend of ours encountered such a situation when a “bisexual” girl joined their church and badly influenced their impressionable daughter for a time who then went through a phase where she approached nearly all her girl friends trying to get them to kiss her making inappropriate uncomfortable comments, etc. Thankfully it passed but not before all the other girls had to deal with it. It doesn’t help that the common accepted stereotype of gay behavior is one that tolerates sexual overtness in language and demeanor so much so that it is almost expected. Sure you can kick them out if they cause trouble but why invite trouble to begin with. Its like inviting a child that is proud pot smoker into a troop provided they don’t smoke pot at camp.
A "partial ban"?
What does that mean?
No sodomy on even-numbered days in even-numbered tents?
Any open acceptance of sodomists will destroy the BSA.
What sensible, responsible parent will approve of their son going on overnight camping trips with avowed homosexuals?
I hate to point out the obvious, but the unwillingness of moral, Orthodox Jews to condemn or reject leftist atheist and even antisemitic Jews has created the same problem that Muslims have when they do not condemn or reject Islamism.
In other words, Orthodox Jews must finally *define* Judaism as a religion, not as a culture or philosophy or a people. And if someone does not embrace moral Judaism, they should no longer be called Jews.
It really is as serious as when some ancient Hebrews just could not *resist* making burned sacrifices of their children to Ammonite god Moloch. Today there are far too many Jews who do the same to the atheist god Marx.
In effect, the penalty must be near the same. For sacrificing to Moloch, Hebrews were to be killed. Even *not* killing such Hebrews was a crime in itself. Today failed Jews should not face real death, but only the death of expulsion, that they and their descent are no longer called Jews or recognized as such by other Jews.
Orthodox Jews (who are the minority) do exactly that, meaning condemn the liberalism; the liberal Jews do not listen and actually revile the orthodox types, even vilifying many as “ultra-orthodox” (just like the secular liberals here set up their “religious right” strawman).
It’s the exact reverse of what happens in Islam, where the liberals are the minority and the majority listen to radical imams. No comparison there.
Only 11 percent of US Jews (and 15 percent of Israeli Jews) identify themselves as orthodox these days, besides.
In truth, Anti-Jews.
Funny how the contemporary Jewish intellectuals have always been on the wrong side of history when it comes to consequences for their religion.
1. Alexsandr Solzhenitsyn (sp) placed blame on the Jews in Russia for pushing the Bolshevik revolution.
2. 1921 - The Emergency Quota Act, also known as the Emergency Immigration Act of 1921, the Immigration Restriction Act of 1921, the Per Centum Law, and the Johnson Quota Act (ch. 8, 42 Stat. 5 of May 19, 1921) restricted immigration into the U.S. Although intended as temporary legislation, the Act "proved in the long run the an important turning-point in American immigration policy" because it added 2 new features to American immigration law: (1) numerical limits on immigration from Europe and (2) the use of a quota system for establishing those limits. The Emergency Quota Act restricted the number of immigrants admitted from any country annually to 3% of the number of residents from that same country living in the U.S. as of the U.S. Census of 1910. Based on that formula, the number of new immigrants admitted fell from 805,228 in 1920 to 309,556 in 1921-22. The act meant that only people of Northern Europe who had similar cultures to that of America were likely to get in. The reason given was that the American government wanted to protect its culture when this act was introduced, however some felt it was mainly a response to millions of Eastern European Jews fleeing persecution that had been growing since about 1890, and which was becoming unbearable. Also, many believed these Jewish immigrants were importing communism with them.
3. 1965 - The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 (Hart-Celler Act, INS, Act of 1965, Pub.L. 89236) abolished the National Origins Formula that had been in place in the U.S. since the Emergency Quota Act of 1921. It was proposed by U.S. Representative Emanuel Celler (D-NY: His paternal grandparents and maternal grandmother were German Jews. This was the culminating moment in Celler's 41-year fight to overcome restriction on immigration to the U.S. based on national origin.), co-sponsored by U.S. Senator Philip Hart (D-MI) and heavily supported by U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA). The Hart-Celler Act replaced the EQA with a preference system that focused on immigrants' skills and family relationships with citizens or U.S. residents. It marked a radical break from the immigration policies of the past. The law as it stood then excluded Asians and Africans and preferred northern and western Europeans over southern and eastern ones. At the height of the civil rights movement of the 1960s the law was seen as an embarrassment by, among others, POTUS #35 JFK, who called the then-quota-system "nearly intolerable". Some historians thought that JFK saw a chance for retaliation in response to the anti-Irish Catholic bigotry by WASPs he encountered as a younger man. After Kennedy's assassination, POTUS #36 LBJ signed the bill at the foot of the Statue of Liberty as a symbolic gesture. In order to convince the American populace - the majority of who were opposed to the act - of the legislation's merits, its liberal proponents assured that passage would not influence America's culture significantly. POTUS #36 LBJ called the bill "not revolutionary", SoS Dean Rusk estimated only a few thousand Indian immigrants over the next 5 years, and other politicians, including Senator Ted Kennedy, hastened to reassure the populace that the demographic mix would not be affected; these assertions would later prove wildly inaccurate. In line with earlier immigration law, the bill also prohibited the entry into the country of "sexual deviants", including homosexuals. By doing so it crystallized the policy of the INS that had previously been rejecting homosexual immigrants on the grounds that they were "mentally defective" or had a "constitutional psychopathic inferiority". After ethnic quotas on immigration were removed in 1965, the number of actual 1st generation immigrants living in the U.S. eventually quadrupled from 9.6 million in 1970 to about 38 million in 2007. Over 1 million persons were naturalized as U.S. citizens in 2008. The leading countries of origin of immigrants to the U.S. were Mexico, India, the Philippines, and China. Nearly 14 million immigrants entered the U.S. from 2000 to 2010. Family reunification accounts for approximately two-thirds of legal immigration to the U.S. every year. The number of foreign nationals who became legal permanent residents (LPRs) of the U.S. in 2009 as a result of family reunification (66%) exceeded those who became LPRs on the basis of employment skills (13%) and for humanitarian reasons (17%).
Rep. Celler's crusade to pass this law was fueled by the persecutions of Jews in Nazi Germany during the 1930s. Many tried to immigrate and claim refugee status in the U.S. but were denied.
4. 2005 - Rev. Dr. Zahl, an ordained (Episcopal) orthodox Christian theologian and prolific writer, published his book, The Christianity Primer: Two Thousand Years of Amazing Grace The History, Development, and Meaning of the Christian Religion. Excerpt below ...
Chapter XXI The Twentieth Century: The Challenge of Three Formidable Problems
p. 295 JUDAISMS ENDURING NO
Judaisms enduring no (refusal to accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God/ messiah) has never changed. Judaism has been strengthened immeasurably by the identity-renewing fact of the Holocaust and its political consequence, the creation of the state of Israel (despite the fact that Jews in the United States are increasingly secularized). The Christian significance of Judaisms no has been worked out in changed doctrine for the Roman Catholics and sapped confidence for the Protestants. Large sectors of Christianity have lost their nerve as a result of Judaisms negation.
p. 286 The Catholic Church altered its teaching As a result of awareness of the Holocaust, the Catholic Church actually altered its historic teaching concerning Jews. Instead of saying that Jews needed to become Christians to be saved, Pope John Paul II instead declared just after the turn of the (21st) century that Jews have their own way to God and their own covenant and that these are just as valid for Jews as the New Covenant is for Christians. he was able with the stroke of a pen to declare null and void a position that his predecessors had taken from the earliest times.
I predict that the next 30 years will see Christians needing to work very hard to absorb the impact of Jewish perspectives without giving up their own souls. The Southern Baptists, who have not compromised in relation to Jewish evangelism, may in fact end up carrying the soul of Bible Christianity for the rest of the Protestant churches during this era of Christian insecurity concerning the Person of Christ.
5. The 112th U.S. Congress (2011-2012) contained 39 Jewish members - 12 senators (12/100 = 12%) and 27 representatives (27/435 = 6%). Only 1 out of the 39 was a Republican. The 38 Democrat Jewish members all had ACU (American Conservative Union) voting ratings of <15, which meant they all voted very liberal. Both of CAs senators are Jewish. CA and NY each has 6 Jewish representatives.
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Scouts take on the image of who sponsors them.
This group is Reform, which is the Episcopal Church version of Jews, less the ham and cheese, but including the lobster, sodomy, and general rejection of Torah, G-d, Talmud, and tradition.
“agree that it is the larger, liberal U.S. Jewish sects (Reformed and Conservative) and the secular Jews in the U.S. who are driving the progressive agenda in the U.S.”
They are certainly participants, but to say they are “driving the progressive agenda” is a bit much. Jews, overall, make 1.7% of the USA population. Probably 1/3 is Republican, and 1/3 is non-political, so you’re dealing with .6% of the the USA population.
They can be influential in their small way, but “driving”? Hardly.
And there are plenty of conservative secular Jews (as much I dislike secular Jews): Mark Levin, Jonah Goldberg, etc.
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I wonder if any other religious groups are supporting mentally ill sex perverts in the BSA> Any religious group that does so is violating the tenets of their religion, since every religion in the worlds holds illicit sex of any kind - what to speak of the "crime against nature" - as an abominatble sin. I thought homos in the BSA was now on the books; from the article it appears it's not a done deal yet?
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Oh, and btw - if more and more people are accepting of sodomy, why did everyone stop shopping at Penneys once the got Ellen Degenerate as spokeshomo? And started putting all those homo “famliies” in ads? Thei sales dropped like a stone. And fag TV shows are getting dropped? The fact is, we’re SICK OF IT!
These Jews need to spend more time reading the Torah. And they should remember that Jews were hated in the Hellenistic world for opposing pederasty.
LOL - Good one!
Your entire post is spot on.
I have read that Orthodox rabbis in Israel have been trying to accomplish that very thing with their country's atheist leftists of Jewish parentage.
They are implying ALL of the same faith are thinking the same.
it is the false peer propaganda.
Here are some Bible verses that, to me, may indicate the Will of God to leave a remnant of Jews on earth to continue to set this situation in motion:
Yet I will leave a remnant, so that you may have some who escape the sword among the nations, when you are scattered through the countries. --Ezekiel 6:8
I will surely assemble all of you, O Jacob, I will surely gather the remnant of Israel; I will put them together like sheep of the fold, like a flock in the midst of their pasture; they shall make a loud noise because of so many people. --Micah 2:12
And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles, in the midst of many peoples, like a lion among the beasts of the forest, like a young lion among flocks of sheep, who, if he passes through, both treads down and tears in pieces, and none can deliver. --Micah 5:8
The coast shall be for the remnant of the house of Judah; they shall feed their flocks there; in the houses of Ashkelon they shall lie down at evening. For the Lord their God will intervene for them, and return their captives. --Zephaniah 2:7
Therefore, as I live, says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, Surely Moab shall be like Sodom, and the people of Ammon like Gomorrah overrun with weeds and saltpits, and a perpetual desolation. The residue of My people shall plunder them, and the remnant of My people shall possess them. --Zephaniah 2:9
Therefore wait for Me, says the Lord, Until the day I rise up for plunder; My determination is to gather the nations to My assembly of kingdoms, to pour on them My indignation, all My fierce anger; all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of My jealousy. --Zephaniah 3:8
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; the city shall be taken, the houses rifled, and the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, but the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. --Zechariah 14:2
Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, the remnant will be saved. --Romans 9:27
Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. --Romans 11:5
True, but assimilation, birthrates, and aggressive outreach by stricter Jewish groups all mean a change is coming sooner rather than later.
The future of Judaism likely belongs to either the Modern Orthodox or the Hasidim, with a larger community of Jewish people who are partially observant and affirm Scriptural standards of what it means to be Jewish even if they do not necessarily follow those standards.
The sooner that liberal Jews stop calling themselves Jews, the better things will be. Liberal Jews are giving their faith a very bad name, and have been doing so far too long.
Either such organizations exist to help shape young minds or they do not. To celebrate abnormal desires is to corrupt youth.
After 18, you may frown on such activity, but the adults can make up their own minds to engage in self-destructive behavior.
Sex positive advocates frankly don’t care if it is “genetic” or the result of upbringing (or even just a curious whim). They seek to end all moral judgments over all sexual pairings at any time (regardless of sex, age, relation, marital status, number, or species of partner(s)).
The sheltered goal is to “smash the patriarchy”.
The majority of births now occur out of wedlock (and not to teens). This is by design, not because of “flawed abstinence education”.
Statements like this make me wonder whether Chairman Kreimer has actually spent significant time camping and hiking with scouts over the years. If he did he probably would NOT recommend allowing openly gay boys into the ranks.
Unbelievable! Mr. Kreimer, please realize that you are supporting a transient popular culture over years of tradition and experience based on natural law. That must be more important to you than preserving a wholesome and healthy and proven culture.
One of the more galling examples of recent memory was the Jewish Anti-Defamation League's participation in the lawsuit to remove the Ten Commandments statue from the Alabama courthouse that had been placed by Judge Roy Moore. It boggles the mind.
The "Notes on the Correct Way to Present the Jews and Judaism in Preaching and Catechesis in the Roman Catholic Church", which covers the scope of Pope John Paul II's perspective, calls for the eradication of historic charges of collective guilt against Jews (deicide), acknowledges the Covenant with the Jewish people, which God Himself pronounced to Abraham and Sarah as "everlasting," and insists on complete religious liberty and respect as partners in dialogue. It also contains the following paragraphs:
"7. "In virtue of her divine mission, the Church" which is to be "the all-embracing means of salvation" in which alone "the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained" (Unit. Red. 3), "must of her nature proclaim Jesus Christ to the world" (cf. Guidelines and Suggestions, 1). Indeed we believe that it is through him that we go to the Father (cf. In 14:6) "and this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent" (In 17:3).
Jesus affirms (ibid. 10:16) that "there shall be one flock and one shepherd". The Church and Judaism cannot then be seen as two parallel ways of salvation and the Church must witness to Christ as the Redeemer for all, "while maintaining the strictest respect for religious liberty in line with the teaching of the Second Vatican Council (Declaration Dignitatis Humanae, Guidelines and Suggestions, I).
Thus I think the Rev. Dr. Zahl did not fully understand Pope John Paul's perspective. The Pope called for respect for Jews and Judaism, a renewed appreciation of what is shared in our spiritual patrimony, and a recognition that Jesus Christ, and Christ alone, is the Savior of the human race, to whom every person must come for their well-being and redemption..
Well, the word “Jew” does refer to an ethnicity also, but in this context it’s supposed to be the religion, in which the Jewishness of the liberals is quite absent. And I can’t agree that the future belongs to the religious minority, which is being sidelined by the liberal majority.
Quite so. They make themselves stand against religious freedom, the very thing they claim to fight for.
As opposed to the Goy Scouts?
Sounds like the Scouts have been infiltrated by the atheist ACLU.