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Carbon dioxide passes symbolic mark (on top of Mauna Loa)
BBC News ^ | 5/10/13 | David Shukman

Posted on 05/10/2013 1:35:14 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

Carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere have broken through a symbolic mark.

Daily measurements of CO2 at a US government agency lab on Hawaii have topped 400 parts per million for the first time.

The station, which sits on the Mauna Loa volcano, feeds its numbers into a continuous record of the concentration of the gas stretching back to 1958.

The last time CO2 was regularly above 400ppm was three to five million years ago - before modern humans existed.

Scientists say the climate back then was also considerably warmer than it is today.

Carbon dioxide is regarded as the most important of the manmade greenhouse gases blamed for raising the temperature on the planet over recent decades.

Human sources come principally from the burning of fossil fuels such as coal, oil and gas.

The usual trend seen at the volcano is for the CO2 concentration to rise in winter months and then to fall back as the northern hemisphere growing season kicks in. Forests and other vegetation pull some of the gas out of the atmosphere.

This means the number can be expected to decline by a few ppm below 400 in the coming weeks. But the long-term trend is upwards.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii; United Kingdom; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: carbondioxide; catastrophism; climatechangehoax; globalwarminghoax; hawaii; itsavolcanostupid; maunaloa; passes; symbolic; volcano

Key measurements are made on top of the Mauna Loa volcano

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In eight to nine years we will probably have seen the last CO2 reading under 400ppm”

James Butler -- Noaa

1 posted on 05/10/2013 1:35:14 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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The last time CO2 was regularly above 400ppm was three to five million years ago - before modern humans existed.

hmmmmm..


2 posted on 05/10/2013 1:36:20 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge

Why the fascination with numbers with many zeros?

Obviously, some force of nature made the numbers go up. In order to prove their point, they have to PROVE that that force of nature no longer exists. If they don’t do that, they have to shut up.


3 posted on 05/10/2013 1:37:14 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: NormsRevenge
Carbon dioxide passes symbolic mark

As global temps remain at sixteen year lows.

4 posted on 05/10/2013 1:39:20 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The entire island has been emitting copious amounts of gas including carbon dioxide steadily since 1983. I imagine the levels at the top of Mauna Loa will go up if the winds shift in an unusual direction.


5 posted on 05/10/2013 1:39:47 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: NormsRevenge

“The last time CO2 was regularly above 400ppm was three to five million years ago”

That testing station has been up there a long time.


6 posted on 05/10/2013 1:40:04 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: NormsRevenge

They’re measuring carbon dioxide levels on an active volcano that last erupted in 1984? One of the world’s most active volcanoes too? That’s hilarious . . . they could conclude that sulfur dioxide levels are inordinately elevated too, being up there at a major source of both gases.


7 posted on 05/10/2013 1:41:15 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: skeeter

Let’s see, if I want to measure gases at a pristine, uncontaminated control location, I’d do it...on top of a volcano. Yeah.


8 posted on 05/10/2013 1:41:34 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: Proud2BeRight

They had SUVs three to five million years ago? Oh, those dinosaurs.


9 posted on 05/10/2013 1:41:56 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: NormsRevenge

Are there any other CO2 observatories? This is the only one they report.


10 posted on 05/10/2013 1:42:34 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: NormsRevenge

Exactly what is a modern human? I see advances in technology but there sure are a lot of ignernt peeple out there.


11 posted on 05/10/2013 1:42:55 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: NormsRevenge

12 posted on 05/10/2013 1:44:29 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to detonate anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Maybe Soros and Gore can go buy a WHOLE bunch of carbon credits and it will be all better. :)


13 posted on 05/10/2013 1:44:47 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: NormsRevenge

The atmosphere on Da Big island is hardly a fair sampling for the rest of the planet, as Kilauea has been spewing volcanic gases into the immediate vicinity for over 30 years!

(Just a side note..the Big Tsunami moved the vent BACK up the mountain to its original site in Volcanoes National Park. Last time I was there, Pu’u O’o was quiet, and the Big Hole in the Middle of the Park was sending up a BIG plume of gas.)

I LOVE Da Big island, BTW. Thanks to all that lovely CO2, they have the BEST Coffee!

(Last time I checked, plants and trees love CO2)


14 posted on 05/10/2013 1:47:43 PM PDT by left that other site ((Ban the ubiquitous and deadly solvent, Di-hydrogen monoxide!!!))
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To: NormsRevenge

"...run Spike RUN, it's gonna blow"

15 posted on 05/10/2013 1:48:03 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: NormsRevenge

Macadamia nuts the size of golf balls!


16 posted on 05/10/2013 1:59:29 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: NormsRevenge

other CO2 observatories. Looks like Boulder has very little CO2.

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/towers/#amt


17 posted on 05/10/2013 1:59:46 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: NormsRevenge

What to worry about in Kilauea volcanic emissions?

Hawaiian Volcano Observatory, USGS, June 5, 2008

Excerpt:

Carbon dioxide (CO2) is the second most abundant constituent in Kilauea emissions. Current CO2 emission rates are about 10,000 tonnes/day. We already have CO2 in concentrations of 0.04 percent and more in the air that we breathe, thanks to human-generated emissions. Fortunately, plants photosynthesize some of this to make oxygen. CO2 is heavier than air and can be a problem in low-lying areas immediately downslope of a volcanic vent when its concentrations exceed 5 percent. Worldwide, human activities produce more than 100 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes. So although Al Gore is worried about CO2 he isn’t blaming volcanoes.

Water, SO2, and CO2 comprise about 99 percent of Kilauea’s emissions. All the other constituents together account for the remaining 1 percent and there are many of them. Hydrogen (H2), Hydrogen Chloride (HCl), Hydrogen Fluoride (HF), and Carbon Monoxide (CO) are the principal minor constituents. Of these, H2 and CO are already in the atmosphere at trace levels.

Hydrogen chloride combines with moisture in the air to acidify rain and burn vegetation. HCl is also produced by a chemical reaction where lava enters the sea....

Read more here:

http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/archive/2008/08_06_05.html


18 posted on 05/10/2013 2:01:37 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: NormsRevenge

.... Ummmmmm ..... this is on top of a volcanic environment .... aren’t there lots of gasses seeping from the surrounding area some of which would be CO2? Isn’t it possible that there may be an increase in seepage for some reason? I’m just curious cuz I know next to nothing about vulcanology .... just wondering if it’s a possible explanation.


19 posted on 05/10/2013 2:19:55 PM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: NormsRevenge

Hawaii will do anything to keep us from looking at the BC books.


20 posted on 05/10/2013 2:40:43 PM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: TigersEye
As global temps remain at sixteen year lows.

That's one of the effects of Global Warming. Others are increased snowfalls, decreased snowfalls, increased hurricane frequency, decreased hurricane frequency, and everything else we have observed in the past two decades.

21 posted on 05/10/2013 2:49:22 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Pollster1

Anti-Mohamhead Youtube videos...


22 posted on 05/10/2013 2:50:41 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: bigheadfred

Hey, I just post them. Ya want answers. That’s a different department. Unfortunately, no one knows their number. ;-]


23 posted on 05/10/2013 3:08:06 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: left that other site

I have been semi-begging for us to sell and move to the Big Island.. the poodles love the beach..


24 posted on 05/10/2013 3:08:48 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge

ah heck give it a shot there could be a big fat grant in it


25 posted on 05/10/2013 3:14:31 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: bigheadfred

I wish. There’s all kinds of stuff to study there, I’m sure... like.. mai tais. They got it all there,, Costco, Verizon, coffee, and even beer..


26 posted on 05/10/2013 3:18:32 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge

my dream is to live in a cabin in the woods...no costco, no verizon...


27 posted on 05/10/2013 3:20:18 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: NormsRevenge

Can I join You?

Hawaii could sure use some conservatives!

LOL


28 posted on 05/10/2013 3:29:28 PM PDT by left that other site ((Ban the ubiquitous and deadly solvent, Di-hydrogen monoxide!!!))
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To: NormsRevenge

There have been several periods in history when CO2 ppm’s were over 1000 (way, way over 400 obviously) AND mean temperatures were far COLDER than today. Also some >1000 and WARMER. What this tells us is that CO2 is not a very important greenhouse gas (and that, as its concentration rises, its already small marginal effect on mean temperatures falls).

Other factors are much more important, including variations in sun activity, water vapor, suspended particulates (volcano ash primarily), etc.


29 posted on 05/10/2013 3:40:18 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: Proud2BeRight

...and it was unmanned. Aliens must have built it. /s


30 posted on 05/10/2013 4:04:01 PM PDT by jps098
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To: pogo101

>>>>There have been several periods in history when CO2 ppm’s were over 1000 (way, way over 400 obviously) AND mean temperatures were far COLDER than today. Also some >1000 and WARMER. What this tells us is that CO2 is not a very important greenhouse gas (and that, as its concentration rises, its already small marginal effect on mean temperatures falls).

Other factors are much more important, including variations in sun activity, water vapor, suspended particulates (volcano ash primarily), etc.<<<<

You’ve done an excellent job stating my thoughts here. In fact, I believe that the CO2 emissions are being accurately measured. I believe that the rise comes from the burning of fossil fuels. However, what that means is literally up in the air. I’ve lived long enough to see environmental hysterics, starting with the mass death of songbirds from DDT and the extinction of humanity from overpopulation to believe anything coming from the environmentalists.

My own little pet theory is that we’ve gotten very, very good at measuring things, both individually and in groups, but we keep looking for patterns that aren’t there. High CO2 emissions? Must have caused that hurricane! Women as a group earn less than men as a group? Must be the patriarchy! More crime in areas with black people? Must be slavery! I really think our descendants will look at us as slightly (maybe more than slightly) deranged for insisting that every observed change is attached to some reason, no matter how distant or nonsensical.

Global warming is 21st century phrenology. Little bumps in the atmosphere that have profound meaning.

God help us.


31 posted on 05/10/2013 4:41:09 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: skeeter

those idiot scientists couldn’t measure a teaspoon of water in the ocean. why should we trust anything they say?


32 posted on 05/10/2013 5:06:40 PM PDT by Psiman (PS I am not a crackpot)
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To: NormsRevenge

It’s funny that the BBC didn’t try to draw any conclusions from the CO2 numbers, like things are getting warmer. Wait, things ARE NOT getting warmer. Haven’t for 16 years. I guess they didn’t want to mention that little factoid in the same article pimping “all time high” CO2 numbers. People might get the wrong impression. As it is, the BBC must simply be hoping people have been so brainwashed and are so unable to actually thing any more that people will mentally fill in their deliberate blanks with “higher CO2= Global Warming”.


33 posted on 05/10/2013 6:03:17 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; ...

Thanks NormsRevenge.


34 posted on 05/10/2013 7:31:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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