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Canadian mobsters killed in 'old-fashioned' Sicilian mafia hit
The Guardian ^ | Friday 10 May 2013 | Tom Kington

Posted on 05/10/2013 2:47:33 PM PDT by MarkBsnr

Two senior members of the Canadian mafia have been murdered in Sicily and their bodies incinerated, victims of what police suspect is a vicious turf war in Canada which has spilled over into the Cosa Nostra's Italian heartland. After an anonymous tip-off, the bodies of Juan Ramon Paz Fernandez and Fernando Pimentel were discovered near a rubbish dump in the countryside outside Palermo on Thursday. Police described the double killing as an "old-fashioned" gangland hit. Spanish-born Fernandez, 57, a notoriously tough enforcer for Montreal's Rizzuto clan, was expelled from Canada last year for the third time after serving a 10-year sentence for conspiracy to murder a fellow mobster. He resurfaced in Palermo, where he was suspected of teaming up with the Cosa Nostra to build drug-trafficking links between Sicily and Canada. Pimentel arrived in Palermo a few weeks ago to join Fernandez, who was allegedly working as a martial arts instructor as cover for his mob activities. Nicknamed Joey Bravo in Canada, Fernandez was a feared right-hand man of Sicily-born Vito Rizzuto, who allied with New York's Bonanno family to build an unrivalled mafia empire in Canada in the 1980s, handling drugs, loan sharking, gambling and contract killing. In the midst of a turf war allegedly pitting the clan with a breakaway faction, Rizzuto was jailed while rivals murdered his father and son, the latter buried in a gold coffin which was paraded through Montreal's Little Italy. Fernandez stayed loyal to Rizzuto while he served his own time in jail in Canada, and was suspected by police of continuing to run operations through criminal associates. He was also suspected of being behind the murder of drug dealer Constantin "Big Gus" Alevizos in 2008.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canada; italy; mafia; ndrangheta; popefrancis; sicily
I grew up in a city that had a significant Mafia presence. But they mostly kept it between themselves. When the Mafia had a presence in NYC, crime was significantly less than when the crackdown occurred and the other gangs from other cultures moved in and started including the surrounding citizenry in their disputes.

I'm not suggesting that the Mafia is necessarily benign, but oddly, they did provide a certain pacifying street presence.

1 posted on 05/10/2013 2:47:33 PM PDT by MarkBsnr
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To: MarkBsnr

Now if we could just get the Mafia to go to war with the Muslim Brotherhood.


2 posted on 05/10/2013 2:49:05 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: MarkBsnr

Phffft! These guys can’t hold a candle to the Mexican gangs. Pikers!


3 posted on 05/10/2013 2:52:16 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: BenLurkin

> Now if we could just get the Mafia to go to war with the Muslim Brotherhood.

Sicily vs. the Obama White House? Could be interesting.


4 posted on 05/10/2013 2:52:44 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: MarkBsnr
I'm not suggesting that the Mafia is necessarily benign, but oddly, they did provide a certain pacifying street presence.

Thank you!

5 posted on 05/10/2013 2:53:54 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: MarkBsnr

It’s just business. they never execute for personal reasons.


6 posted on 05/10/2013 2:57:39 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: BenLurkin

I always wondered if the US government gave the Italian/Sicilian Mafia the rights to the US drug trade and the US government would turn a blind eye.....could they wipe out the islamic drug trade as well as the Mexican cartels.
For them its just business, not personal.


7 posted on 05/10/2013 3:00:06 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: saganite

The Mexicans kill everyone, the Sicilian/Italian Mafia does not kill for the personal only business.


8 posted on 05/10/2013 3:01:04 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: BenLurkin
Now if we could just get the Mafia to go to war with the Muslim Brotherhood.

Make 'em an offer that they cannot refuse.

9 posted on 05/10/2013 3:01:10 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
I grew up in a city that had a significant Mafia presence. But they mostly kept it between themselves.

And they never did violence in their grandmothers' neighborhoods!

10 posted on 05/10/2013 3:02:25 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: MarkBsnr

Still not as criminal as Obama.


11 posted on 05/10/2013 3:14:27 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: All

How can you tell if a person was killed by the Canadian Mafia?

When they pull a body out of lake Ontario....arms tied up by a hockey stick and feet weighed down by a pair of curling stones.


12 posted on 05/10/2013 3:16:32 PM PDT by Kolath
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To: Jyotishi

If Ubama and the rats decide to run Moochelle against Hillary for the rat nomination in 2016, we could have a mob war between the Chicago mafia and the Dixie mafia. Stock up on popcorn.


13 posted on 05/10/2013 3:18:26 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Kolath
A second/third generation Canadian 'wiseguy', "I'm a gonna make him an offer he canna refuse, EH!
14 posted on 05/10/2013 3:21:18 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was lost but now I'm found; blind but now I see.)
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To: svcw
It’s just business. they never execute for personal reasons.

I'm a little skeptical. The Godfather trilogy was fiction that airbrushed the sociopathic personalities of mob figures. The real-life characters in Goodfellas are a lot closer to what the average mobster is like. John Gotti had his neighbor killed for accidentally running over his son.

15 posted on 05/10/2013 3:37:48 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

That was father killing the guy who killed his son, nothing to do with the family business.


16 posted on 05/10/2013 3:43:49 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Squawk 8888

Looks like natural causes to me. For the mafia, anyway.


17 posted on 05/10/2013 3:44:51 PM PDT by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: svcw
That was father killing the guy who killed his son, nothing to do with the family business.

Which goes against "they never execute for personal reasons".

18 posted on 05/10/2013 3:52:26 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

No not really, I was strictly speaking within the Family.
The killing had nothing to do with the Family.


19 posted on 05/10/2013 3:54:16 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: PGR88
I grew up in a city that had a significant Mafia presence. But they mostly kept it between themselves.

And they never did violence in their grandmothers' neighborhoods!

That's because their 4-1/2' tall grandmothers would kick their asses.

20 posted on 05/10/2013 4:07:08 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Kolath
How can you tell if a person was killed by the Canadian Mafia?

When they pull a body out of lake Ontario....arms tied up by a hockey stick and feet weighed down by a pair of curling stones.

And a bottle of Labatt's in their pocket.

21 posted on 05/10/2013 4:08:06 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: svcw
No not really, I was strictly speaking within the Family. The killing had nothing to do with the Family.

That would be my understanding of it.

22 posted on 05/10/2013 4:09:06 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

And you would be correct.


23 posted on 05/10/2013 4:22:56 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: svcw

“I always wondered if the US government gave the Italian/Sicilian Mafia the rights to the US drug trade and the US government would turn a blind eye”

Wait, you’re saying they didn’t?


24 posted on 05/10/2013 4:43:15 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Nope, otherwise there wouldn’t be Mexican, Russian and islamic, whoever drug cartels.


25 posted on 05/10/2013 4:53:17 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: MarkBsnr
I'm not suggesting that the Mafia is necessarily benign, but oddly, they did provide a certain pacifying street presence.

I know a lady who lived in southern Manhattan in the 1970's. Down the block was a chapter of the Hells Angels. The Angels did not want a heavy police presence in the area, so the word was out that no street crime would be tolerated. The neighborhood was VERY safe.

Similar dynamics apply to the Mafia. Plus, their families, and friends of family members live in the area, and it's easier to just put out the word that unsanctioned thuggery will not be tolerated.

26 posted on 05/10/2013 5:03:33 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: MarkBsnr; svcw
Me dere, I ting da dif it were da Mafia du Kebec, it would be 'quarts' of Molson, osti, not Labatt, batarnac!

Buddif it were le matin in Kebec, da fellow might also 'av h'in 'is poches two eggs side by each facing da sun, a pair of toasts, and bacon parallel, là!

(sarc: My best Jean Chretien imitation!)

27 posted on 05/10/2013 5:40:09 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was lost but now I'm found; blind but now I see.)
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To: Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; Cannoneer No. 4; ...
Thanks dynachrome.

To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!

28 posted on 05/10/2013 6:55:15 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
Me dere, I ting da dif it were da Mafia du Kebec, it would be 'quarts' of Molson, osti, not Labatt, batarnac!

Buddif it were le matin in Kebec, da fellow might also 'av h'in 'is poches two eggs side by each facing da sun, a pair of toasts, and bacon parallel, là!

(sarc: My best Jean Chretien imitation!)

Not bad at all. Now that I reside in sunny (ha!) Iowa, I am rethinking my move from Canada to the land of Ronald Reagan which has transposed to the land of Osama bin Barack.

29 posted on 05/10/2013 7:04:29 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Squawk 8888

To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Me too, please and thank you.


30 posted on 05/10/2013 7:52:34 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Welcome to the list!


31 posted on 05/10/2013 11:04:51 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar)
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To: Squawk 8888

Thank you.

Boy oh boy. I see the Muslim in Chief here, and compare him to Steven Harper, and the differences in unemployment rates (and their trends), and I really sometimes think about going back.


32 posted on 05/11/2013 4:02:56 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Don Corleone

Reading, PA NEVER had it so good when the Mafia ran it (years and years ago). Same with Scranton. Now, the politicians are the crooks.


33 posted on 05/11/2013 9:56:43 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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