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Colorado Lawmakers Set Taxes And Rules For Marijuana Sales
NPR ^ | 05/09/2013 | by Bill Chappell

Posted on 05/11/2013 4:28:29 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd

Colorado is set to become the first U.S. state to regulate and tax sales of recreational marijuana, after lawmakers approved several bills that set business standards and rules. Legislators expect enforcement of the rules to be paid for by two taxes on marijuana — a 15 percent excise tax, and a 10 percent sales tax.

Other measures included in the package set limits on how much marijuana visitors to Colorado can buy (a quarter of an ounce), as well as a limit on how many cannabis plants a private citizen can grow (six).

Gov. John Hickenlooper has indicated he will sign the legislation, according to The Denver Post. Colorado voters first approved the legalization of pot for recreational use by people over age 21 in a ballot initiative last November.

Voters adopted a similar measure in Washington state, where plans for regulation and taxation are still being formed.

"The first legal marijuana should be on sale in Washington in March 2014," reports the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, "and Colorado will have its cannabis stores open as soon as Jan. 1."

Like all new Colorado taxes, voters must approve the new taxation system in a ballot initiative this autumn. Other states are already taxing pot, but those levies cover medical marijuana. California reportedly raises more than $100 million a year on such sales.

The Colorado legislation adopted Wednesday also includes a requirement that "pot must be sold in child-resistant packages with labels that specify potency," The Post reports. "Edible marijuana products will have serving-size limits."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: cino; colorado; fino; johnhickenlooper; libertarians; marijuana; medicalmarijuna; theairisthin
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Well, that didn't take long.

But of course that's the goal for libertarians:

Legalize it.
Tax it.
Increase the size of government.

1 posted on 05/11/2013 4:28:29 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

Better than the mob getting the money.


2 posted on 05/11/2013 4:35:53 AM PDT by sakic
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To: Responsibility2nd

And will they do commercials showing the horrors of smoking pot, like they do with cigarettes??? Will they cost $12 a bag??


3 posted on 05/11/2013 4:36:15 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: sakic

I’m not certain that there’s much of a difference any more between the ‘mob’ and ‘government’.

Maybe it is better for the ‘mob’ to have the money. At least it won’t be used to further undermine the culture and what’s left of the democratic process.


4 posted on 05/11/2013 4:38:22 AM PDT by x1stcav (Illegals? Jihadis? Round 'em up and move 'em out. Rawhide!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Do you think that the "War on(some)Drugs" didn't increase the size and power of government?

Ever notice the number of SWAT teams in our nation?

Property forfeiture laws?

Excise taxes and fees would fund a reasonably sized government with no need for a quasi-criminal, politicized weapon like the IRS snooping into every crevice of our lives.

5 posted on 05/11/2013 4:44:42 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (We say "low-information" but we mean "low-intelligence")
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To: x1stcav

The Mob and Cartels will undercut the legal dope, just like they do with the cigarette smuggling in the high tax States. Gov. Hegenpooper better not count on that cash yet.


6 posted on 05/11/2013 4:46:33 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: Responsibility2nd

What I wonder is what happens to the people that are impaired by this now legal drug and drive.

Unless I’m mistaken there are no roadside tests that can be given to show that someone is high when they are driving erratically or when they are involved in an accident. It’s not like drunk driving where you can get a breathalyzer or BAC done quickly.

So are there going to be some new laws about driving while under the influence of marijuana? I mean I realize it goes on all the time anyway, but if it’s now legal I think it opens society up to a lot of new users or ones that use with greater frequency since it’s legal. Maybe I’m wrong, but I see problems with more people driving impaired.


7 posted on 05/11/2013 4:53:58 AM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: Responsibility2nd

At one point in recent history I honestly believed that Colorado was becoming a viable, sensible entity.

Today, it has committed suicide and is closer in identity to California.


8 posted on 05/11/2013 4:54:05 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

Do you think that the “War on(some)Drugs” didn’t increase the size and power of government?

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Of course. But freedom and liberty demand a government that is able to combat the tyranny of illegal drugs and the social ills they bring.

While liberals may want “Excise taxes and fees” as they increase the dope-smoking welfare state; conservatives are happy with fines and even jail sentences for these dangerous behaviors.


9 posted on 05/11/2013 5:02:30 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

A 25% tax?

I hope they have good luck in collecting that.
After all, the Mary Jane sellers and growers didn’t pay much attention to laws before it became legal.


10 posted on 05/11/2013 5:02:50 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: FES0844

Cigarette smoke BAD. Marijuana smoke GOOD.

Dachshunds bad.......pit bulls good.

People who immigrate to our country legally bad......Illegal entry into our country good.

And, it goes on and on and on.


11 posted on 05/11/2013 5:06:07 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: DH

Good luck telling the family of someone who was decapitated at work by someone who was high as a kite.

I smell lawsuits coming out the wazoo.


12 posted on 05/11/2013 5:17:02 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Good luck telling the family of someone who was decapitated at work by someone who was high as a kite.

ROFL. I'm not a pot-smoker, but you clearly have no CLUE what marijuana does. The higher one is on pot, the less interest they have in pretty much anything that requires effort, including getting up off of the couch. There are plenty of drugs out there that drive the user to manic amounts of energy and unreasonable or psychotic actions... but pot is not one of them. Alcohol is far, far, FAR more likely to be the engine behind violent criminal actions than pot is.

13 posted on 05/11/2013 5:28:20 AM PDT by Teacher317 (Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast)
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To: Responsibility2nd

That is what the whole marijuana legalization bit is about, money. Follow the money.
Of course, this will only bring us marijuana ‘moonshiners’ avoiding the tax.
Unintended consequences, again.


14 posted on 05/11/2013 5:38:50 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Responsibility2nd

There is no Utopia on earth.


15 posted on 05/11/2013 5:40:19 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: DH

I would agree. If you taxed it like tobacco, no one would say much, and it’d be accepted. Forget about anyone taking this serious and paying taxes. Legalization didn’t occur....it simply got more illegal, while being legal.


16 posted on 05/11/2013 5:47:21 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Vinnie

Tobacco (Nicotine) is the number 1 smuggled drug in America for a reason.


17 posted on 05/11/2013 6:00:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Other measures included in the package set limits on how much marijuana visitors to Colorado can buy (a quarter of an ounce) [...]

And how, pray tell, are the storekeepers and tobacconists supposed to determine if a given customer is a "marijuana [?!] visitor to Colorado" (I assume that that means "non-resident of Colorado visiting Colorado for the purpose of purchasing marijuana")?

And why should non-Coloradans be discriminated against?

Regards,

18 posted on 05/11/2013 6:00:53 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: cripplecreek
Tobacco (Nicotine) is the number 1 smuggled drug in America for a reason.

That reason being? The "smooth, mild flavor?"

Regards,

19 posted on 05/11/2013 6:02:31 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek
lolol

Perhaps Colorado is setting up a Visitors Bureau for dope smokers.

Yeah. As you enter the state - be sure and stop at the Visitors Center and get a pamphlet showing all the marijuana locations.


20 posted on 05/11/2013 6:22:59 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: alexander_busek
And how, pray tell, are the storekeepers and tobacconists supposed to determine if a given customer is a "marijuana [?!] visitor to Colorado" (I assume that that means "non-resident of Colorado visiting Colorado for the purpose of purchasing marijuana")?

How do you we find out if a purchaser is 21 years of age? Does this really stump you?

And why should non-Coloradans be discriminated against?

The measure is really just a 'feel good' to assuage those offended by the notion that people would go to Colorado to buy marijuana. If Florida put a 6 pack limit on out of state beer purchasers they'd just go to more than one store on the way to the beach, wouldn't they? Enforcement would likely come if a cop pulled over someone with an out of state plate and bales of pot in their trunk. But I think this a gesture in the law more than anything. Like Florida, they're going to welcome the tax dollars from out of state.

21 posted on 05/11/2013 6:24:16 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
How do you we find out if a purchaser is 21 years of age? Does this really stump you?

I suppose you are referring to the practice of "carding" customers (i.e., demanding to see their Driver's License, in order to establish their ages).

I've never been "carded" in a grocery or liquor store in my life, and I have never had a Driver's License. (For identification purposes - e.g., when banking - I use my passport, which does not state my place of residence.)

Hence my being "stumped."

As far as the limitation being a "feel-good" gesture - yes, I agree.

My questions were more rhetorical, anyway.

Regards,

22 posted on 05/11/2013 6:32:54 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

limit on how many cannabis plants a private citizen can grow (six).
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I’m interested in this as a grower ... where can I find the proposed legislation? link please? ... are there higher limits for registered growers? Can grow “rights” be purchased from citizens that are not growing themselves? When must the tax stamps be purchased , when product is readied for retail or at the wholesale level?


23 posted on 05/11/2013 6:43:40 AM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: Neidermeyer

You ask many good questions. But don’t worry. Pot is now legal in the Mile High (really high) City. And as a result the gubmint will tax dope and will increase in size.

Soon there will be bureaus, agencies, divisions and departments all created to ovesee legal marijuana. Oh. And don’t forget the special Tax Enforcement and Collection Offices that will be legislated. Wowee! Just think of the thousands of new jobs that are being created here.

So what if they’re all government jobs that ultimately overtax the citizens and worsen local economies? And so what if the thousands of new legal dopers can’t pass drug tests and get jobs? That’s what welfare is for.


24 posted on 05/11/2013 7:01:04 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I want the airport concession ,, a 0.25 oz. sale multiplied by 5,000 sales a day sounds pretty good... of course the airport will have to provide a lounge... it should make DHS/TSA’s job easier ... “you want my shoes off bro? No problemo” “you want to feel up my 12 year old daughter ... HELL YEAH DUDE!”


25 posted on 05/11/2013 7:06:58 AM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I don’t use drugs or smoke pot, but as a defense attorney (former prosecutor) I assure you that regulating weed in this manner will be a benefit to CO for the following reasons (assuming they don’t use it for other nefarious reasons which I will discuss below):

One, it’s a sin tax just like on tobacco and alcohol, neither of which I am convinced are any more safe than marihuana (alcohol in particular).
Sin taxes are voluntary taxes which I support by choosing not to pay them while others do.

The big benefit that I see for CO is that no matter how you slice it, the legal sale of an otherwise black market product will cause the Mexican drug cartels to take a hit... or blow (puns everywhere). While cartels deal in nearly everything illegal, their bread and butter is marijuana.

The downside I see is a problem that will have to be dealt with soon enough. If CO makes people show ID and sign their name (like buying pseudphedrine in most places) then how long before all those people (even the occasional user or just experiment one time) receive notice that their recorded purchase and use precludes them from owning, purchasing, or carrying a firearm.

If CO is going “liberal” then the fight must be over what kind of liberalism do they want. If I loved there I would be far more upset over the new Unconstitutional gun laws. That is not “liberal”, at least not in the classic sense.
Conservatives have to recognize the demographic shift and make the case for conservative libertarian government. The worst thing that can happen is statism.
Plus, there’s nothing unconstitutional IMO with a state legalizing marijuana. Contrary to the SCOTUS holding in Reich, I don’t believe for a moment that the US Congress has the power to do squat about this.
That is why there had to be a Constitutional Amendment for prohibition of alcohol the first time.
It was because the Congress did not have the broad commerce clause powers that came about shortly after states ceded their sovereignty to the Feds via the 17th Amendment by the direct election of US senators.
All that said, as a defense attorney in northern TX I’m making good money off the marijuana trafficking coming through our state.
The thing that actually concerns me is that I see cops and (particularly State Troopers) pulling over just about any car with a license plate from west of here for either no legit reason or obviously pretext reasons.
I have had several big pot cases thrown out or suppressed because of the fishing expeditions conducted by law enforcement based on a hunch.
They get their probable cause after the dogs sniff around, but the problem is that they keep the, on the side of the highway for nearly an hour waiting on the dogs. If no solid PC has been established early on then the detention (seizure) becomes illegal, and therefore the following search.


26 posted on 05/11/2013 7:10:18 AM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Neidermeyer

OK, you can have franchices at the airports. I want the locations at college campuses.

Together we should make a fortune!

Untill - of course - we are busted for failure to comply with the 250 new tax codes, permits, licensing agreements, zoning variances and other various and sundry laws and regulations that are being created as we FReep.

Then of course there’s Obamacare. That will doom our little American Dream just as it is killing many other new start-ups accross the USA.


27 posted on 05/11/2013 7:18:48 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: leapfrog0202

Every state already addressed this from a DWI or DUI standpoint.
In TX, the law is that a person is DWI if he is .08 or higher (alcohol of course), or or has lost the normal use of his mental or physical faculties as a result of the introduction of alcohol, drugs, or any combination thereof.
90% of DWI cases I get (as defense attorney) are alcohol related.
I have had plenty though where a person has taken a legally prescribed drug like Oxycodone or Xanax or _____.
One cannot honestly say based on levels alone whether a drug has caused a person to be DWI.
For example, chronic pain patients can function safely taking OxyContin and driving, because of their body’s tolerance for the medication. The same is true for many others.
Furthermore, my wife could be technically .03 and still have lost the normal use of her mental or physical faculties, and with a bad lawyer be found guilty of DWI.
My point is there is nothing new here in DWI law.
What is new is that cops in CO can’t use the smell of marihuana (which they can never prove) to justify tearing your damn car apart now.
That’s a nice upside.


28 posted on 05/11/2013 7:20:51 AM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I don’t think this country lived under the tyranny of drugs are the social ills therefrom during the time of the Founders until the mid 20th century.
Plus your premise is that the government is “able”.
Any “war” fought for more than 50 years without doing anything besides make cartels wealthy and militarize domestic law enforcement is not a success in my book.


29 posted on 05/11/2013 7:27:39 AM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Responsibility2nd
15 percent excise tax, and a 10 percent sales tax

Big Jiggly Yoyo down the alley between 21st and Peachtree Ave. will give you an off the books discount without the taxes.

30 posted on 05/11/2013 7:29:32 AM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: Clump
The big benefit that I see for CO is that no matter how you slice it, the legal sale of an otherwise black market product will cause the Mexican drug cartels to take a hit... or blow (puns everywhere). While cartels deal in nearly everything illegal, their bread and butter is marijuana.

The drug cartels will not lose here. They are and will be the wholesale supplier of marijuana. Legal or illegal - the majority of pot comes from Mexico and profits funnel back to the cartels.

Now you may claim - as many do - that pot is as easy to grow as is a weed. Hence the moniker. What's to keep people from growing some in the backyard for personal use?

Only a 500 dollar fine for being caught with unlicensed untaxed weed. People can grow their own tobacco and distill their own booze too. But for the most part - that doesn't happen. The gubmint sees to that.

And since there are no other options for the marijuana demand (caused by the State) the Cartels will happily contine to supply.

 

31 posted on 05/11/2013 7:33:01 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Wrong again, R2. A libertarian would say that we have the right to consume a weed and its by products without any taxation or oversight from the government.


32 posted on 05/11/2013 7:35:38 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Responsibility2nd

How lovely. Government as a virtual dope peddler. Profiting from its own cultivation of a populace of compliant dopeheads. Adding fag marriage, this whole country is becoming a worthless, degenerate sewer. Next time there’s another 9/11, I don’t know if I’ll even give a damn.


33 posted on 05/11/2013 7:37:27 AM PDT by greene66
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To: Clump

What is this War on Drugs that so many speak of around here?

Clearly there is nothing remotely hostile toward rampant drug usage here in the USA.

For a real WOD, see countries like Singapore or Malaysia.


34 posted on 05/11/2013 7:42:11 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: GSWarrior

You are correct. They would say that. They would be lying, naive and hypocritical.

But they would say that.

This article points out the aftermath of liberaltarians and their quest to decriminalize dope.

“What does it matter if someone smokes a joint? How does legal pot harm me?”

Well now we know.


35 posted on 05/11/2013 7:49:57 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yup....be careful what you ask for.....you might just get it.


36 posted on 05/11/2013 7:52:04 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Clump

Didn’t realize it was already addressed, thanks for that.


37 posted on 05/11/2013 8:00:18 AM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: leapfrog0202

Cannabis impairs driving far less than alcohol and many Rx pills. Some studies even claim that people drive safer with cannabis because impairment is relatively low and they are less likely to speed.

Unlike with Rx pills, you can easily smell it if somebody has smoked. It also smells far more than alcohol.

If an officer smells it, a mouth swab test will prove if the subject has recently smoked.


38 posted on 05/11/2013 8:00:48 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

Cannabis impairs driving far less than alcohol and many Rx pills. Some studies even claim that people drive safer with cannabis because impairment is relatively low and they are less likely to speed.

Unlike with Rx pills, you can easily smell it if somebody has smoked. It also smells far more than alcohol.

If an officer smells it, a mouth swab test will prove if the subject has recently smoked.
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Never smoked it, don’t really know anyone that has so I was unaware of all this. I’ve gotten quite the education this a.m. Thanks :-)


39 posted on 05/11/2013 8:02:47 AM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: Responsibility2nd
"tyranny of illegal drugs"

Interesting phrase but who made them illegal and who is the tyrant?

The welfare state creates and exacerbates many more social ills than drugs.

Given a choice between drugs being legal and the IRS illegal, I have made my choice.

40 posted on 05/11/2013 8:02:47 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (We say "low-information" but we mean "low-intelligence")
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To: Responsibility2nd

That remains to be seen.
You may be right.
But the cartels aren’t competing in the alcohol or tobacco trade in the US.
I would think there will be plenty enough domestic growth that will eliminate the need for cartels.
I honestly think the cartels would be out of the marihuana business if this were a national policy. Just like my alcohol and tobacco point suggests.
But here we have a non border state that may (perhaps) cause supply/demand dynamic shifts.
It will be interesting to watch.
I’m more concerned about guns in CO (gun rights) than about weed to be quite honest.


41 posted on 05/11/2013 8:02:48 AM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Hey, far out maaaan, a-hoo a-hoo!


42 posted on 05/11/2013 8:13:26 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: greene66

It is the perfect “crime” on its citizens.


43 posted on 05/11/2013 8:22:01 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: GSWarrior

Its classification as a controlled subtance or the like would trump that notion.


44 posted on 05/11/2013 8:23:37 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: leapfrog0202

That’s cuz half the posters are tokin up, man!


45 posted on 05/11/2013 8:25:19 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

The welfare state creates and exacerbates many more social ills than drugs.


The welfare state is fueled by drugs. And crime, alcohol and liberalism.


46 posted on 05/11/2013 8:41:00 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Clump

Who do you think could replace the cartels? RJ Reynolds? Big pharna? The cartels run a tdillion dollar industry. And you know they aren’t afraid of violenceand murder. They essentially run Mexico and if dope is legalized nationwide, the cartels will become legitimate US corp


47 posted on 05/11/2013 8:50:29 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I don’t think the cartels could actually compete in a free market. If they could they would be smuggling tax free beer across the border. They gain huge profits precisely because it is a black market.
The real question is, what will the government do with all those tanks and military hardware they stocked up to keep ramming down doors and ransacking houses (right or wrong address irrelevant)?


48 posted on 05/11/2013 8:59:24 AM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Marijuana will never be as addictive and falsely satisfying as assuming the worst about others. Ever.


49 posted on 05/11/2013 9:55:07 AM PDT by clbiel (Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being decapitated)
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To: DH

are you kidding? do you think they’ll have a choice but to comply? Never get between the government and it’s right to your money. They are the most aggressive when it comes to collections lol


50 posted on 05/11/2013 10:18:55 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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