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Proctor Chief Turns to Citizens During Ammo Shortage
Northland News Center ^ | May 9, 2013 | Jennifer Austin

Posted on 05/11/2013 6:04:45 AM PDT by voicereason

Duluth, MN (NNCNOW.com) - A nationwide ammunition shortage has police departments across the country counting their bullets. It's no different in Proctor, where the Chief says he was told he'd have to wait months, even a year to get more ammo.

"I was really surprised, let's just put it that way," said Chief Walt Wobig of the difficulty getting ammunition.

Woberg says that when he asked suppliers for the 1,000 rounds of ammo his officers needed for training, he was told he'd have to wait months.

"I go, 'Do you have 40–caliber qualification rounds?' And they go, 'Well, no. It's going to take six to eight months [to get them],'" said Wobig of a conversation with a manufacturer.

Retailers say the nationwide shortage is due in part to people stockpiling ammunition in response to recently proposed gun legislation.

"It was getting a little short last fall, so they were already behind, but there definitely is panic," said Superior Shooters Supply owner, Pat Kukull of the shortage, "We've [the store] been here for 35 years and I've never seen anything like it."

With the Proctor Police Department in need of ammunition, the Chief sent out a call asking for help. Who answered? The very people his officers are sworn to protect.

"The citizens were like, 'If you need something, we got plenty here,'" said Wobig.

A citizen and a Proctor police officer loaned their personal ammunition to the Department, a total of 1,500 rounds. The Chief says others were willing to help too.

"I had several other calls from other citizens that said, 'Hey, if you need more ammunition we have plenty,'" said Woberg, "I know that if I need ammunition I have citizens out there that will gladly come forward."

The Chief says he still has ammunition on order and will be repaying the citizens for their contributions when the department is able to. He also sent in a request to Senators Al Franken and Amy Klobuchar for help regarding their ammunition shortage.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ammo; ammunition; banglist; guncontrol; police; secondamendment; shortage
It would be curious to know how widespread this scenario is for other departments. Not sure if I'd be willing to part with it. A little here, a little there, and then it's all gone.
1 posted on 05/11/2013 6:04:45 AM PDT by voicereason
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To: voicereason

Let the cops buy it from DHS. That’s been the plan all along anyway.


2 posted on 05/11/2013 6:07:18 AM PDT by gotribe (Limit The Government's Right To Bear Arms)
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To: voicereason

Were I to find out my police department in my smallish town needed ammo, I’d give them some. I wouldn’t even consider giving or loaning any to a large urban police force.

None of the cops in my town are dog shooters.


3 posted on 05/11/2013 6:08:18 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: voicereason

“And I’m like...” “and he’s like,...” “Then he goes...” “And she goes...”

“And it was, like, totally awesome, you know, dude?”


4 posted on 05/11/2013 6:08:43 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains
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To: voicereason

That’s funny, because I run into 40 cal all of the time...probably because I don’t own that weapon....

It’s on-line and in stores more than any other handgun round.

Now, if he’s hung up on “qualification rounds”....


5 posted on 05/11/2013 6:15:24 AM PDT by G Larry (Darkness Hates the Light)
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To: voicereason

I asked myself if the chief would share his ammo if I was running short, he wouldn’t, so I won’t.


6 posted on 05/11/2013 6:20:01 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

EXCELLENT point.


7 posted on 05/11/2013 6:21:16 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains
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To: voicereason

Maybe... just maybe in a small town. Any other circumstances.. no. The reason? They will then know who has ammo and that quickly turns to who has guns. If there is a push for future confiscation (and that includes lack of ammo for the department)... guess what ammo/weapons will be confiscated? Just my tin foil hat reasoning....


8 posted on 05/11/2013 6:26:10 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Doctor 2Brains

I am always fair!!


9 posted on 05/11/2013 6:28:15 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: voicereason

Wonder what the criminals will do when they run out of bullets


10 posted on 05/11/2013 6:31:54 AM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: voicereason
he was told he'd have to wait months

The chief should go to gunbroker.com and buy some ammo. All he has to do is type in 40 ammo and he will see ammo up for bids.

500 rounds of Federal 40 S&W 180 gr. fmj ammo still has about 40 minutes to go in the biding. It should go for about 50 to 60 cents per round when all is said and done.

It is capitalism at work. For $500 to $600 he will have his 1,000 rounds by the end of next week.

11 posted on 05/11/2013 6:35:12 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: Doctor 2Brains

“Definitely”.


12 posted on 05/11/2013 6:39:18 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Gaffer
Were I to find out my police department in my smallish town needed ammo, I’d give them some. I wouldn’t even consider giving or loaning any to a large urban police force.

Agreed!

13 posted on 05/11/2013 6:39:23 AM PDT by cpdiii
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To: voicereason

What ever happened to the pre-revolutionary war practice, like Lexington and Concorde, of everybody storing their powder in a common armory, to be “safe?”

I guess we learned something from a failure to disperse our resources. Now the redcoats have to come to our houses individually, I guess.


14 posted on 05/11/2013 6:39:36 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: voicereason

Perhaps now they won’t waste them on shooting pets when they show up at the wrong house.


15 posted on 05/11/2013 6:40:03 AM PDT by Diggity
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To: Doctor 2Brains

Publik edahkayshun, is like such a great way to waste a young mind. Minniesooter is like so franken cool.


16 posted on 05/11/2013 6:41:06 AM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: voicereason

I think the chief go to Cheaper Than Dirt and buy ammo at prices Higher than Hell just like us little people do.


17 posted on 05/11/2013 6:41:09 AM PDT by Patriot365
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To: voicereason

Don’t give them squat. They just execute peoples golden retrievers with the ammo. I donated APRIL 15TH.


18 posted on 05/11/2013 6:48:04 AM PDT by omega4179
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19 posted on 05/11/2013 6:50:08 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (The Old White Flag Republicans can go straight to He// and take their pal Obama with them!)
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To: G Larry

>>That’s funny, because I run into 40 cal all of the time...probably because I don’t own that weapon....

Same here. 40 is everywhere. Except in my gun safe.


20 posted on 05/11/2013 6:58:30 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: voicereason

I wonder how many police officers he has on the payroll. 1000 rounds for training is not very much. I guess he means weapons familiarization and not real training. No wonder police in certain areas fire hundreds of rounds at one perp and hit him twice.


21 posted on 05/11/2013 7:00:26 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: voicereason

Supplying ammo to cops is like buying the executioner’s rope. Cops fill out reports and draw chalk outlines, so give them pens and chalk. Citizens defend themselves, so the cops should be giving us ammo.


22 posted on 05/11/2013 7:02:10 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92
"That’s funny, because I run into 40 cal all of the time...probably because I don’t own that weapon.... Same here. 40 is everywhere. Except in my gun safe."

Solution: Buy a good shooting SIG 229 in 40.

23 posted on 05/11/2013 7:02:12 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: voicereason

If I had .40 cal pistol ammo I guess I would feel compeled to help due to the fact local officers have helped me get lots of .223 American Eagle brass for 44.00 per 100 rnd boxes for the last year.


24 posted on 05/11/2013 7:02:14 AM PDT by heshtesh (I believe in Sarah Palin, the rest not so much.)
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To: Bryanw92
"Supplying ammo to cops is like buying the executioner’s rope. Cops fill out reports and draw chalk outlines, so give them pens and chalk. Citizens defend themselves, so the cops should be giving us ammo."

Now that is a great comment!

25 posted on 05/11/2013 7:04:21 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: gotribe

Most LEO’s do not practice with the rounds DHS is ordering. The +p frangible round is for the real meal deal.

I still can’t decide if I believe the DHS is trying to dry up the ammo supply or gun up for an inevitiable confrontation with the American public. Prolly both.


26 posted on 05/11/2013 7:05:14 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: mosaicwolf

>>Solution: Buy a good shooting SIG 229 in 40.

I’ve owned two SIGs and two 40 caliber handguns. I didn’t like either.

Besides, if I bought a 40, the supply would vanish overnight. That’s just how my luck rolls.


27 posted on 05/11/2013 7:05:43 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: mosaicwolf

1000 rounds for training is not very much.....Sure it is. You need only to train a cop how not to shoot his foot off, how to point it downrange and hit a target center mass with ONE shot. All the rest is just crap, with automatics, because I guarantee after the first shot from a bad guy all the extras fly out the window and you just lay down a barrage. I posted here that when the PD’s started handing out autos, there would be a waste of ammo because us old guys with “wheels” would fire six rounds with A HOLE in the middle of the target and during the same time the autos fired off three times as many shots with only two being killing shots. I knew it, I knew it, I knew it.


28 posted on 05/11/2013 7:13:24 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Bryanw92

A ‘cut’ 12 gauge round will damn near stop a tank.


29 posted on 05/11/2013 7:15:43 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Don Corleone

>>A ‘cut’ 12 gauge round will damn near stop a tank.

What is a “cut” 12 ga round?


30 posted on 05/11/2013 7:16:47 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: voicereason
Chief Walt Wobig?


31 posted on 05/11/2013 7:21:46 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: TYVets
"he was told he'd have to wait months"

Since Adam Lanza, I've probably bought at least 1000 rounds of ammo (various calibers, but not .40) without resorting to Gunbroker and without overpaying. (.40 S&W was offered online for as little as .36/round yesterday). Ammo is available with a little bit of effort -- but if he needs to have his small purchase go through the normal gov't bidding process, and isn't finding anyone willing to bother to put in the time and effort to make a $20 profit at the moment -- I'm not surprised.

32 posted on 05/11/2013 7:31:59 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Gaffer

Indeed. I think the decision would be on a city by city basis.


33 posted on 05/11/2013 7:42:24 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Doctor 2Brains
“And I’m like...” “and he’s like,...” “Then he goes...” “And she goes...”

Chief valley dude, totally tubular, man.

34 posted on 05/11/2013 7:57:41 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: TYVets

Bingo!!


35 posted on 05/11/2013 7:59:12 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

fer sure!


36 posted on 05/11/2013 8:01:44 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: voicereason

“A cartridge! A cartridge! A police department for a cartridge!”

(sigh)

What happened to having one of the armory crew do some reloading ‘for training rounds’???? Oh, I forgot! These are the days of the semi-automatics, with a ‘bucket of bullets’ underneath them, as Clint Smith has said.

There are so many semi-automatics, with so many having stnadard magazines of anything from 7 to 16, these days, that even those that have them have to use just one counting, and in multiples of that counting, just to keep things straight. “Uh, did I take the 13-round, or the 16-round?” Mind you, for folks that don’t know, the magazines have little peek-a-boo windows to show how many rounds are left in the magazines, on most newer pistols.

This is where revolvers fare a lot better. Unless you own an older “j-frame” design snubnose that has 5 rounds, or the old Colt models that have 6 rounds, MOST of your full frame models are 6 rounds, and then you have to “break the gun” to reload it. There is no confusion about which magazine of which count! You either have 5, or you have 6. I prefer to know that I shoot 6 rounds well, instead of many more rounds NOT so well.

A standard round-carry for a revolver is “full cylinder, plus 2 times more”. That is what the military manuals called out for their revolvers. Speed-loading devices, of all names, come into play here. They all work, and have earned praise and damnations, both. But they are an indivdual choice item. Look them up on YOUTube, and you will see what I mean.

For the semi’s, it was “Magazine in pistol, plus two”. The British made it “Magazine, plus 2, loaded one down.” Since until this year, that meant their Browning Hi-Power pistols were loaded with 13-round capacity magazines, carrying 12 rounds each, instead. (S.A.S. standard operating procedure) I own 2 Hi-Powers. I love the guns, and the history behind the models I own. Yes, I did shoot ‘buckets of bullets’ when I went to the range, at over-the-counter prices, too. But, I’ve since reformed.

For many years, the standard federal arm was a revolver, loaded with a lead semi-wadcutter hollow point bullet.

Go figure ... until the advent of the .357 Magnum cartridge in the 1930’s, the most powerful handgun was the Colt Walker Dragoon black powder pistol, firing 60 grains of powder to propel a .44 caliber lead ball, not conical, not a hollowpoint, just a round lead ball. The other gun of choice, was an 1851 Navy pistol, in the hand of Wild Bill Hickok, firing a .36 caliber ball, hitting a Mr. Tutt, in the heart, at more than 60 yards, killing him.

(And they say the .38 Special is an underpowered gun! Check the ballistics and you will be surprised.)

Remember, Janet the 2nd, wants all of YOUR ammo!!!


37 posted on 05/11/2013 8:10:51 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Gaffer

I would not. It is far more important that citizens protect themselves than that they enlist proxies to do so. And in my area law enforcement is overstaffed by several orders of magnitude.


38 posted on 05/11/2013 8:33:28 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Bryanw92; G Larry

.40cal and 9mm are 2 calibers I’ve never liked or owned. JMO.


39 posted on 05/11/2013 8:44:42 AM PDT by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are the Muskets of the 21st Century. Free men need not ask permission.)
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To: voicereason

The only way to disarm us is to first take away the bullets, then take away the guns. It’s interesting how this encourages us to turn them in willingly.


40 posted on 05/11/2013 8:57:06 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: voicereason

Heck they’re never going to shoot you with that ammo......

The chances of me lending or selling ammo to someone who would have no qualms about killing my family or me “by accident” or by raiding the wrong address are zero.

I say, “ Go to the Feds and trade your balaclavas and armored vehicles for some .40 ammo, dumbass”


41 posted on 05/11/2013 9:14:36 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: Bryanw92

You can score the casing so that the load will separate easier and come out in one piece. YMMV


42 posted on 05/11/2013 12:41:57 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: G Larry

.40 Is not easy to find in my neck of the woods.

Not at a halfway decent price, anyway.


43 posted on 05/11/2013 12:44:26 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: carriage_hill

9mm is the wife’s.

Mine is .45 & .357.
Don’t shoot Grandpa’s 32-20 anymore (1934).


44 posted on 05/11/2013 12:46:48 PM PDT by G Larry (Darkness Hates the Light)
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To: Bryanw92
What is a “cut” 12 ga round?

There are how-to videos on YouTube, slicing the cartridge almost all the way around in a spiral cut.

45 posted on 05/11/2013 1:12:24 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: G Larry

My 2 Kimber 1911 5” .45ACPs are for CCW; the pristine 1976 Colt Trooper MK III .357Mag is for the range or HD, and the G32/.357sig is now just a spare in the massive gunsafe.

http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s607/Family_Farm/DCP_0907a_zpse01f80b0.jpg


46 posted on 05/11/2013 2:40:56 PM PDT by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are the Muskets of the 21st Century. Free men need not ask permission.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Well, I heard the DHS is buying primers now. Since they don’t reload, that would indicate they are buying to drive up prices.


47 posted on 05/19/2013 5:08:31 AM PDT by gotribe (Limit The Government's Right To Bear Arms)
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