Skip to comments.Remorseless Japan
Posted on 05/11/2013 4:17:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
From time to time Japans political leaders visit the Yasukuni Shrine where Class A war criminals are included on the list of remembrance, then make controversial remarks that deny or gloss over the acts of aggression that Japan committed in the first half of the 20th century.
By so doing, they give legitimacy to a self-centered and distorted interpretation of Japans ignoble history that many Japanese harbor, as illustrated below.
After the Meiji Restoration of 1868, Japan embarked on an ambitious modernization program, modeling itself on advanced European countries such as Britain, France and Germany. To emulate those countries which had overseas colonies, Japan wanted to colonize its neighboring country, Korea.
To gain hegemony on the Korean peninsula, Japan fought wars successively against China and Russia. From the Sino-Japanese war and the Russo-Japanese war, Japan emerged victorious. And Korea fell into the hands of Japan among the spoils of war.
When it comes to Japans colonization of Korea, many Japanese people argue that Koreans wanted it. Then, how can they explain the widespread popular uprising by Koreans in March 1919?
Many Japanese blame the United States for the eruption of the Pacific War. They take the view that the United States left Japan no choice but go to war after placing embargos on oil and steel exports to Japan and demanding that Japan withdraw troops from China.
Some even argue that Japan was the real victim of the Pacific War on the grounds that numerous innocent Japanese citizens died when the United States dropped two atomic bombs on Japan. Just because Japan fell victim to this horrendous bombing many Japanese people naively believe that their nation was absolved of the guilt associated with the atrocities that Japanese troops committed against other Asians during the war.
While waging the Pacific War the Japanese government proclaimed that its purpose was to liberate Asians from the yoke of Western imperialism and many Japanese still believe this to be the case. It is true that Japan kicked Western powers out of many parts of Asia during the war.
However, what Japan really wanted was to secure procurement of vital raw materials such as oil, iron ore and rubber by controlling the countries which produced them. Contrary to its proclamation, Japan ruled the conquered Asian countries more ruthlessly than did the Western powers it replaced. To this undeniable historical fact, many Japanese people turn a blind eye.
At the turn of the 20th century, Japan emerged as the most powerful country in Asia. Overly self-confident, Japan attempted to conquer the whole of Asia by force. However, Japan was defeated soundly in the Pacific War and suffered the shame of being occupied by American forces. Many Japanese people lament over their countrys defeat but feel no remorse for starting and waging the horrible war.
In a nutshell, Japans political leaders and public do not fully acknowledge their countrys past aggression. Instead, they try to justify or make excuses for Japans wrongdoing.
As long as they continue to do so, they will have themselves to blame if Japan is regarded with distrust and is unable to play a leading political role commensurate with its economic strength in the international community.
Koreans want Japan to clean the slate in the same way Germany did and start afresh as a trustful neighbor. However, this seems to be wishful thinking on our part. To us Japan is a country which is close geographically yet remote emotionally.
Not only are they not remorseful, there seems to be a movement towards scrapping their pacifist constitution, and building up their military. Some of that may be prudent in light of China’s buildup, but I do not want to be tied by treaty to an aggressor in WWIII. If they want to build up a war with China, leave us out of it.
How did Japan deal with getting its ass kicked all the way to hell and back?
1. “We were the good guys.”
2. “We were just minding our own business.”
3. “All the stuff people say we did is just lies.”
4. “We’re the only people in the world who’ve ever had a nuclear weapon used on them.”
5. “Sniff. Poor, poor, pitiful us. Sniff.”
To hell with Communist China. A strong Japan is a good thing.
I know the history of Japan in depth. Long story on how I ended up with a degree in Japanese history and politics from a Japanese college.
I can’t find much fault, if any at all, with Lee Hyon-soo’s article.
When I lived in Yokohama, I knew generations of Koreans that were still Korean, by Japanese law, and were threatened with deportation for the slightest offense. Never mind that the person may have been second or third generation, spoke NO Korean and had no relatives in Korea.
I don’t know if that has changed, but when I was on a 3 year torokusho, I had to stand behind loooonnng lines of Koreans to get it renewed.
Japan really does have a reckoning to do with how it treated its neighbors in the past.
To date, they have done a pretty bad job of it.
I don’t think it is healthy for a country to beat itself up too much over ignominious aspects of its past. If you do that, its citizens become less patriotic and more cynical, and thus prone to adopting the wackiest of liberal ideas that do great damage to their societies. Like people, societies and nations need a health measure of self-belief and pride to keep them going in a positive way. Just my humble opinion.
It’s not entirely a bad idea.
The following was posted on another thread on Sat May 11 04:18:32 2013 by ronnie raygun:
Have you ever come across news that the Ayatollah of Iran or the King of Saudi Arabia or even a Saudi Prince has visited Japan ?
Japan is a country keeping Islam at bay. Japan has put strict restrictions on Islam and ALL Muslims.
The reasons are :
1) Japan is the only nation that does not give citizenship to Muslims.
2) In Japan permanent residency is not given to Muslims.
3) There is a strong ban on the propagation of Islam in Japan .
4) In the University of Japan , Arabic or any Islamic language is not taught.
5) One cannot import a Koran published in the Arabic language.
6) According to data published by the Japanese government, it has given temporary residency to only 2 lakhs, Muslims, who must follow the Japanese Law of the Land. These Muslims should speak Japanese and carry their religious rituals in their homes.
7) Japan is the only country in the world that has a negligible number of embassies in Islamic countries.
8) Japanese people are not attracted to Islam at all.
9) Muslims residing in Japan are the employees of foreign companies.
10) Even today, visas are not granted to Muslim doctors, engineers or managers sent by foreign companies.
11) In the majority of companies it is stated in their regulations that no Muslims should apply for a job.
12) The Japanese government is of the opinion that Muslims are fundamental ist and even in the era of globalization they are not willing to change their Muslim laws.
13) Muslims cannot even think about renting a house in Japan .
14) If anyone comes to know that his neighbour is a Muslim then the whole neighbourhood stays alert.
15) No one can start an Islamic cell or Arabic Madrasa in Japan .
There is no Sharia law in Japan .
16) If a Japanese woman marries a Muslim then she is considered an outcast forever.
17) According to Mr. Kumiko Yagi, Professor of Arab/Islamic Studies at Tokyo University of Foreign Studies , There is a mind frame in Japan that Islam is a very narrow minded religion and one should stay away from it.
It would be ironic if Japan is the last, and the successful, bastion against islam.
That history is shameful, true, and it’s even deeper than most people think.
But you know what? Asian security is NOT AT ALL helped by dwelling on this at just this juncture —China is loudly knocking on the door of all it’s neighbors right now, and this just plays right into their hands.
This is time-warp stuff —it’s like the dolts screaming, “Uncle Joe is our ally...!” as our cargo planes have to take off for the Berlin Airlift.
The average age of FR is high —the memories are real, and I respect that.
But with 100 million angry Chinese guys with NO hope of getting married, and a Chinese economy built even more on easy paper and lies, and ever-growing Chinese defense budgets:
Are we really HELPED by this?
No. It’s like we’re in some weird time-warp, blind to what is in front of us, in the here and now.
There are millions of Filipinas looking for suitable mates, I wonder why they’re not marrying Chinese males?
I have to agree with that. I don’t think a re-armed Japan would go down the same path as they did in the past. They really did get some sense knocked into them.
Just my opinion, but with China looking to exact revenge for past wrongs, (trust me, they REALLY ARE HUNGRY for revenge, and not only on Japan) I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Japan, Taiwan, South Korean and Anzac alliance which may include countries like Viet Nam and the Philippines.
You are exactly correct in everything you wrote.
I HAVE seen a Japanese woman married to a Muslim, and it is truly pitiful.
She was dressed in the niqab (or pretty close) and she was treated like she was a leaper —surrounded by bustling people, and a complete social outcast.
It is extremely difficult to imagine a country less hospitable to Islam than Japan, although Korea comes close.
In the mid-90’s many Iranians came to Japan to do 3k work (hard, dangerous, or dirty) and later they were almost all thrown out —one of the only really successful campaigns against illegal immigrants that I’m aware of.
(Actually after the Aum Shinrikyo difficulties I think almost any foreign-derived religious activity came under much higher scrutiny)
Those two bombs were richly deserved.
Ironically, by forcing a Japanese surrender, they saved the lives of TENS OF MILLIONS of Japanese.
All great ideas. Wished they’d take hold here.
Considering the people who committed the atrocities are dead or nearly so, and none in power, would you say that people who had nothing to do with it should be forever held responsible?
How about White people in America?
Tradition is big in Japan. If a Japanese politician wants to spend an hour, once a year at a shrine, it's no other country's business.
I have to agree with you a lot. Japan learned a lot of hard lessons. Whipping them for things in the past is counter productive.
The “Trail of Tears” is one of our most ignoble moments in history and I don’t see a lot of folks rushing to dredge it back up.
Moving on into the future, the Dragon is real and has a dark mindset.
Looking to that future and dealing with it is paramount.
So WWII was Bush's fault? Ok...
Imagine 100,000 muslim jihadis here on H-1B, L-1, refugee and expired student visas working in power plants, fertilizer factories, refineries, chemical manufacturers, hospitals, utilities, dams, pharmaceutical formulators, web hub server farms, municipal water supply facilities, sewage treatment plants, meat packing and food processing plants, driving HazMat trucks...
The main thing preventing another world war is free trade. The fact that countries like Japan and Germany are able to obtain goods and resources through peaceful trade has so far prevented the spectre of WW3.
Credit where credit's due:
I merely quoted ronnie raygun
In 10 years in the Asia Pacific we (and the JMSDF) will be groping & lunging for every young, wild-eyed Japanese kook they can get their recruiters’ mitts on (and there really aren’t many).
Mark my words.
No, you missed the point.
The point is that Japan really did do bad stuff, and their history books have scrubbed it completely. They still refuse to acknowledge what they did. They do in fact whine like victims for the most part.
Koreans in Japan really do still have hardships.
As for us here in America, at least we do acknowledge what we did to native Americans. We don’t do much about it, but we do at least acknowledge it.
I’m not making any judgements. It is what it is and I’m neither condemning it or defending it. I’m just saying that the article at the top of the post is accurate.
Read my subsequent posts and you may get a better picture.
The Korean channel in the L.A. area showed it with English sub-titles. I got a kick out of it.
No, I got the point. But my question remains unanswered. The people who did it are dead. How long do innocent people have to shoulder a responsibility that is not their own? How long do innocent people need their noses rubbed into the evils of their heritage?
I worked many Summers at a mountain retreat which had around 30 Japanese Students spend around half the Summer working. About half and half boys and girls.
After working with them Summer after Summer I came to some opinions of them. First every single Summer there would be one or two really cute ones. The beauties tended to be the smaller ones. There would also be a few who were pretty good sized people.
They could be pretty sneaky but I could be even more sneaky. I was head of students and I caught them several times violating campus rules. They always did so in large groups with only their leader left out of the loop. One night around 1 P.M. I caught them all meeting at a given place then they all hiked up to the rec area and all sat around talking, smoking, etc.
They never did cause a bit of trouble tho, absolutely never.
I did tell their leader once and he was really surprised. He was about the same age as the students and they didn’t give him much respect. The leader then called Mr. T as they called him. I think his name was Taksshita. He was older and when he spoke they listened. He really got onto them.
The funny thing is I had told the young leader that it was no big deal but I just wanted to let him know what they were doing.
I forgot to mention that there was a curfew for workers and smoking was forbidden. They could stay up as long as they wanted but they had to either be in their dorms or off campus after 11.
They could come and go after curfew so long as they were coming or going off campus.
At some point one has to move on and take notice of present threats or else suffer the consequence ofs inaction.
Everybody needs to know their own history, good and bad. Rubbing noses in it is not necessary. Understanding the root causes and tendencies is necessary for going forward. Proper reflection and judgment, ok?
It's only good as long as it's true.
We will find
sooner or later
if Achmed'll pray
to a glowing crater
As far as I know, the survivors and their descendents have been good neighbors and good world citizens. We all have benefited from their turn around and their mastery of quality.
Given the quality of our leadership over the last many decades, I shudder to think of the evil that has been done in, and under the cover of, our name, but without our knowledge. Those are the chickens karma says are coming back home.
Personally, in all things I am learning to follow an ancient wisdom: "...forgive those who trespass against me."
OK. When it it enough? You think there is a person in Japan that does not know their history? Or a white American?
I still don’t see an answer to when people think enough is enough. Why cant some people say what they really believe? Some don’t believe they should EVER be accepted back into civilized society because of the sins of the fathers.
I recently listened to several reports from Americans teaching English to Japanese in Japan. They all tell a similar story: Except in larger cities such as Tokyo, Americans are generally treated poorly. They are expected to show up for work, and then disappear until the following work day. They do make friendships with a few Japanese people they come to know, but are generally shunned by the populace.
I'm sure others will chime in with different stories, but this dovetails with Japan's immigration policy and the historical facts of how they have treated non-Japanese.
Maybe we should treat all non-Christians in America the way the Japanese treat non-Japanese in Japan, or the way Muslims treat non-Muslims in Muslim countries? That way we would be certain that there would be no sleeper cells to worry about.
Or we could cover the skies with drones, put a camera on every corner, capture & record every email & phone conversation.
That would do the trick!
Dude, you must not be following the news. China has been ratcheting up the tensions in the area relentlessly.
Do you expect the Japanese to respond like wimps (or, like the Obama Admin)?
Muslims should be contained to the mideast. Modern Japan exists in the world and abides the rules of that world outside it’s borders. Inside, their rules, and their right to have them. Muslims want to dominate the world. And kill you. No rules but ‘Allah’s do they follow...anywhere they infest.
The entire civilized world is completely justified in being very,*very* afraid of the Red Chinese.That goes double for those civilized nations living in the same neighborhood...like Japan,South Korea,India and even Australia.
Remember...in 1989/1990/1991 Gorbechev and pals refused to fire on their own countrymen whereas the very same psychopaths currently ruling Red China took a very,*very* different path.
We’ve had several Japanese college students at our house for homestays. We love the young ladies dearly. We also note that they are remarkably ignorant of 20th Century history. Am I asking them to feel guilty? No. They weren’t even born yet in WWII. They look at the US as the best friend Japan has in the whole world. And we should be really glad to have their friendship.
But the students should learn their history so that at least they understand better why some of their Asian neighbors have grudges.
A few months after 9/11 the Japanese arrested several Muslims in Niigata and Aomori for alleged Al-Qaeda links. Yes, that’s right, no one sued them for racial profiling.
I do not disagree. But it seems to me that many in the world want something very different. ESPECIALLY in Korea. They want eternal punishment. And that will lead to a remilitarized Japan eventually when they tire of being a doormat for the sins of the father.
We beat up Germany left and right, but anyone who’s been to the Air Force Museaum at Wright-Pat can tell you where a downed pilot would have preferred:
Germany: Until near the end, not only well-fed, but health care and dental care. Near the end things started to break down somewhat. Nearly all made it home.
Japan: 50% chance of survival, at best. Torture. Geneva Convention did not exist to them.
Few alive today have any personal, adult memory of the Pacific war. Few living Korean suffered the atrocities the writer cites, and few, if any, living Japanese has any true moral guilt for those same atrocities.
The decision and the act of exploding atomic bombs and essentially destroying Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or the fire-bombing of Tokyo (which killed more than both atomic explosions combined) were just and right in the context of total war. But I can take no credit nor experience anything other than imagined guilt for those decisions or acts. These events happened more than a decade before I was born, and I can guess the imperialist period of Japan's history happened an even longer period before the birth, let alone the adulthood, of the writer.
It's like African slavery, or the massacre of Washita Creek. Should I feel remorse for that institution?
Ridiculous. And I had ancestors who owned human slaves.
I suppose, because I also have ancestors who were among the Creek tribes in Oklahoma, I should also hate myself...
There is a place for the study of these things, even for a study of the emotional reactions of those who will eternally carry guilt of innocence before God for their actions or thoughts. There is great learning and knowledge to benefit we who survive. But not for the purpose of political correctness or misdirected and improper guilt.
We live and die before God for our own actions, no those of the Dead (may they rest in peace).
Bushido is the code they played by. Surrender was dishonorable.
Holocaust denial is illegal in Germany, as is National Socialism. There are no laws against denial of Japanese atrocities, nor was there a distinctive ideology to be banned following the war (as Nazism in Germany and Fascism in Italy). Most of the Japanese right wing is pro-American, but not all of it is. There are anti-Americans and apologists for Imperial Japan as well.
Another reason for the double standard is that Japan now benefits from political correctness as a non-Western, non-white power (though the Old Left hated Japan with a passion).
A final reason for going easy on Japan (despite the occupation) was because of the developing Cold War. Many Japanese who had been influential in the World War II government were pressed into service against Communism, just as East and West Germany were armed to the teeth by the Soviets and the West respectively.
I know that Communist China, North Korea, Vietnam, and Laos are more recent enemies and we have valid concerns about them (Red China most of all). But as much as I sympathize with Japan being pushed around simply because it isn't Communist (Commies never seem to do anything wrong), the fact remains that Japan was never de-"nazified" as were Germany and Italy and has never completely come clean.
A newly militarized Japan would indeed push back against our Communist enemies in Asia, but I'm afraid that things could get out of control very quickly. We could be facing the one remaining Axis power that was never ideologically purified.
I wish Japan well in its persecution by the Communists, but they must come clean and forswear once and for all their wartime ideology. Until they do, the danger will exist.
What you say is true, and I have no wish to impose self-hatred on anyone (especially considering that America has suffered from a fanatical self-hatred for decades). However, I wish to point out that every Communist regime in history (with the sole exception of America under Obama) has in fact practiced totalitarian patriotism. Outside the United States and Israel, the Left presents itself as super-patriotic and in favor of "true sovereignty" (as opposed to being an alleged patsy for the US). In fact, all through the Cold War Communist propaganda referred to all Communist terrorists as "patriots."
I can assure you that neither Red China nor North Korea are practicing any self-hatred.
Japan has a ways to go before a Japanese military uniform is observed anywhere but on one of their military bases.
I remember reading about a high ranking officer who took the train every day from his house to his base job. He wore civilian clothes on the way in...
I tried to make the same point at post #42.
An enemy must be defeated, that is to say enough of them must be killed or personally effected for them to say enough, lay down their arms, and make the conscious decision to study war no more.
How many is enough for them to say ‘enough!’ is a number only they can determine.
For the Japanese, no number of souls lost to bullets of fire was enough until two entire cities vanished in a flash of nuclear fire, and they understood that ceasing resistance was their only viable option, Bushido code or no Bushido code.
Civilization’s current opponents need to reach a similar point in their thought processes, or we, as a civilization will simply cease to exist.
With our current attitude we can only hope for slavery or slaughter.
Perhaps Japan can prevail, perhaps not.