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Posted on 05/11/2013 5:25:37 PM PDT by black_diamond
What if the personnel responding to the assistance requested by those on the ground in Bengazi on September 11, 2012, were assembled and loaded on transports, just waiting for the green light from Washington and then no green light came from Washington? Not a “no go,” but no “go” or “no go.”
How could that be? We have a President who cannot make a tough decision, hell it took him several tries before he could give the OK to launch the bin Laden raid, so it is entirely possible that he made no decision (voted present) on the request from Bengazi. That would give him the ability (plausible deniability) to say he did not give the order to stand down. Then someone in the chain of command, after waiting and waiting for the order to launch eventually realized that it was not coming and then used the term “stand down” to tell those who were assembled and ready to return to their pre-alert status (go home). Just a thought. What do you think?
Why did Dempsey say we couldn't get there in time?
"...disingenuous at best, and a lie at the worst...."
Former Navy SEAL Christopher Mark Heben: “This administration reeks.”
concerning ‘stand down’.
Tripoli to Benghazi, is all inside of Libya.
the plane they would have used, was flown
by Libyans.
what permission was needed?
please enlighten me.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice....
I’m rabid at the WH and State Department leaders. I’m just as rabid at my fellow citizens for reelecting this bastard.
I feel for the low info voter. Some are low info for good reason. They are caring for sick or elderly or lots of kids, they don’t have the time to seek out knowledge. They get it from their news shows.
They were lied to.
I know a lot of libs would be incensed at their Obama for this lying and murder. How do I know? Because I remember telling some John Edwards fans that he had gotten his campaign videographer pregnant while he was running for Pres and his wife dying of cancer. They did NOT believe me. We all knew this on FR. Then the National Enquirer proved it and they were all stunned and lost all respect for him. The Low Info Voter doesn’t know where to ge truth and doesn’t have the means or time to figure it out.
My mom has become a low info conservative, now that she has the beginnings of alzheimers. She still can’t stand Obama, but she can’t synthesize her own opinions any more, poor blessed mom. She just repeats what Fox News says, which isn’t the worst but still she has lost her sharp high IQ that allowed her to gather facts, sift, and judge. For various reasons, lots of us fellow citizens are in her position, unable to process from multiple sources.
We need to fight to get them the truth.
Yeah, and Chappaquiddick certainly torpedoed the career of the guy who made that a household name.
Obozo denied cross border authorization.
He can say he did not order stand down, but by not authorizing he accomplished same thing.
There were surely “stand down” orders but they were not issued by the president. Only the president can authorize or order military forces to cross national boundaries. The reaction units waited for that order to go in. O’Lenin yawned went to bed. At least two units were ready to go and started to do it. They were ordered to stand down because the requisite order had not been given. apparently 2 local commanders were relieved of duty instantly when they said they were going in anyway. The in country assets, however, were also told to stand down. Two of them defied orders and went anyway. Those are the two ex SEAL contractors who died rescuing 30 or so people. The question now is who ordered the in country people to stand down? The president refused to order units in and deliberately allowed people to die. He probably thought it would be 34 deaths, though, rather than only 4.
Obozo denied Cross Border Authorization. The military in the absense of that authority had to stand down. (It is probably more complicated than that too)
I believe the positive order to cross national lines has to be given by the president, Without that order given the lower level commanders must order units ready to go to stand down. But then who ordered the guys already in Lybia to stand down? I don't think the president gave the order but someone in the diplomatic chain of command did because someone knew that it was desired that the people in Benghazi not be rescued. I think that one goes to the SecState who knew/knows something we are not going to find out unless someone cracks big time.
When something like this happens, a whole lotta people get ready real fast to do a great deal of work very fast at great risk. But before they can cross borders to engage in military activities in other countries, they need permission of the President. “May we go?” is THE question a whole lotta people were asking.
Anything but a clear “yes” is, in this situation, grounds for immediate impeachment and removal. If they can’t get an immediate “yes”, they have a leader the government cannot viably function under.
The “stand down” issue is a subset of this.
One of the whistleblowers last week started to use the words “told to stand down,” but caught himself in mid-phrase, and corrected to “told they were not authorized...” The phrase “not authorized” is fraught with meaning. I was told in my orders to report to Ft Bliss, TX, and that “Use of personal automobile is not authorized.” That means exactly what it says. I does not say, “prohibited.”
IOW, it will ultimately come out that a rescue attempt was “not authorized.” No mid-level officer was willing to take the chance to give the order to move forward with a rescue. The prez voted “present.” He is untouchable.
Obama has asserted that he he gave orders to do everything necessary to save these people. If this is true, Panetta must then have asked him if this includes military action. He thus must have said “no”.
The incomplete truth that he is so good at.
well I really don’t give a rat’s ass. The military should have defied him and done what was right and dealt with it later. To me, it looks like the military lost their balls.
I think you mean Bin Laden, not Benghazi.
Well, might not be case. Several top military officers were “replaced” recently.
Do you think they defied orders and were canned for it.
Be careful about who you criticize in the Military.
If it is someone with a proven Traitorous record like “Weasley Clark” then it is warranted.
“We have a President who cannot make a tough decision, hell it took him several tries before he could give the OK to launch the bin Laden raid..”
There was also a prior incident. U.S. citizens were held by pirates; Navy Seal assassins were in place to kill the pirates. As I recall, O Nutless couldn’t make a decision and the Naval officer in command ok’d the multiple hits which were successful.
This happened about two years ago, maybe more?
Yeah, and Chappaquiddick certainly torpedoed the career of the guy who made that a household name.
True that he stayed decades in the senate. However, he was given the Kennedy pass. But when he tried to run for President, he was shut down fast.
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