Posted on 05/12/2013 6:28:28 AM PDT by Kaslin
Seems it should be an American fundamental right to have freedom of expression and support or NOT to support the causes one believes in. I say it´s time to let people CHOOSE. The Choice People of abortion should be all over this one and allow people to do what they want with their money...as they say people have a right to do what they want with their body.
I agreee absolutely. But this is CA, and these teachers are going to be crushed. There are no individual rights here.
I pray for them and their cause. These unions need to have less power than they already do, and definitely less money...
I strongly disagree with that. Why should a union have any right to press an agenda that is not connected to its reason for existence? A union is not a person; it is a special interest group, ostensibly formed for the purpose of advancing a specific special interest. If an issue is not explicitly mentioned in the union charter, then what gives the union the right to use its members' money to advocate for or against that issue?
This was already settled in the California courts long ago.
The **only** "choice" the Pro Choice people support is the choice to choose death over life.
One of the problems with conservative groups is that they focus on one narrow topic and the legislation surrounding that issue. The progressive/Marxists, in contrast, infiltrate our institutions and destroy from within.
Seems it should be an American fundamental right to have freedom of expression and support or NOT to support the causes one believes in.
1) Your statement above condemns the very existence of compulsory K-12 socialist-entitment schooling. It is impossible to have a religiously, politically, or culturally neutral education. It is an abomination that any citizen should be under **police threat** to support any government sponsored educational system because to do so fundamentally support government sponsored and NON-neutral religious, political, and cultural indoctrination of children ( the nation's next generation of voters).
One way to totally eliminate the lobbying power of the California Teachers Association is to eliminate the need for government socialist-entitlement teachers. Remove the conservative and Christian kids from the schools, provide attractive private alternatives for all students, work for the complete shut down of all government socialist-entitlement schooling and the 800 lb. Marxist gorilla ( the CTA) disappears.
Government-employee unions should be illegal.
Anyone who supports them should be publicly flogged.
They should never have joined the union to begin with... teachers in California do not have to join the union... and they still reap all the bargaining benefits... i come from a family of teachers in Cali...
This is settled law under the Beck decision.
California is lost. This State is the number 1 most corrupt State in the Union. There is little more to be said.
re: “. . .compulsory K-12 socialist-entitment schooling.”
I understand the “compulsory” part, but I’ve never understood the rest of the description that you constantly make about public schools. My question is, aren’t the police and fire departments just as “socialist” as the public schools? They are all financially supported through taxes. Not everyone will call the police or the fire department, so why should a citizen who never calls the fire department have to pay taxes for it?
A majority of people in each state, county, town at one time decided that educating the children who lived in those entities was a positive for everyone - because the children were the future professionals and leaders which would, at some point, affect all of us. Just as having a police or fire department can/may have a positive benefit for all the citizens of that community. So, what’s the difference?
I’m not defending idiotic curriculum or low standards - I think each town, city, state should determine what they want their schools to be - without any federal government intervention. In fact, there should NOT be a Federal Dept of Education. The Federal government has NO constitutional authority to get involved in it whatsoever. However, isn’t that up to individual states whether or not THEY want to have publicly supported schools? Is that necessarily “communistic” as you always say? Again, if schools are, then why not police and fire departments?
re: “It is impossible to have a religiously, politically, or culturally neutral education.”
I agree, but wasn’t there, at one time, a set of common values shared by most Americans that we wanted our kids to know and adhere to? - the ideals expressed in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution? Does the religious expressions in the Declaration impede on others religious or non-religious beliefs? The Declaration is not neutral either, nor is the Constitution - is that bad? Aren’t the values expressed there ones that we WANT our children to know?
You equate public schools with socialism/marxism/collectivism by definition. I don’t see that that MUST be the case. I don’t see any difference between publicly supported schools and publicly supported police and fire departments. If the people of a town, city, or state doesn’t want those institutions, couldn’t the people of that state vote to remove them?
Children who attend our nation's GODLESS socialist-entitlement schools MUST think and reason godlessly just to cooperate in the GODLESS classroom, read and understand their GODLESS textbooks, and complete their GODLESS home assignments. How could it be otherwise?
And...Every argument you have use to defend our nation's compulsory-use, compulsory funded, socialist-entitlement , and single-payer schools will be used in a few decades to defend Obamacare!
The Mrs is CalPers and hates high school. But I’d been coaching baseball there - for essentially nothing - for the past three seasons until her retirement this summer, and I loved it.
A study in contrasts, however odd.
So, the Declaration of Independence is GODLESS? The Constitution is GODLESS? The common American values as expressed in these documents, our Pledge of Allegiance are GODLESS? Teaching students to sing “God Bless America”, “The Star Spangled Banner”, “America, the Beautiful”, and “America” are GODLESS??
It sounds like you accept the Supreme Court’s decision that public schools may not have prayer? Do you accept the Roe v. Wade decision as well?
Don’t bother responding, I already know what you’ll say.
The worldview of the government schools is GODLESS and secular.
The child’s specific religion, his church scriptures, his religious leaders teachings are specifically prohibited from being integrated into the total fabric of the GODLESS government school worldview.
A nod or two in the direction of God does not make a GODLESS socialist-entitlement K-12 school GOD-CENTER. In fact, it is a slap in the face to God.
re: “The worldview of the government schools is GODLESS and secular.”
Then every government entity, by your definition, must be Godless. From the military, to police, fire departments, to border patrol, by that definition, all are Godless.
I deny that. The founding principles our our nation are based on Judeo-Christian values from the Bible. Those prnciples are imbued into our Constitution. It is often denied by leftwing politicians and judges, but that doesn’t change the truth.
Those common American principles have been taught in public schools, and in at least some public schools, are still being taught. The military does not have to operate as the Salvation Army to be Constitutional. That does not make the military Godless. That is not it’s purpose.
Public school’s are not intended to be theological schools. Their basic purpose is to teach reading, writing, and math to our nation’s children so that they can function in business and in personal finances. I’m not denying that leftwing ideologues have attempted to sabotage that purpose. But, it doesn’t have to be that way. Only if we let them.
Our discussing this issue is, on a certain level, moot, because with Obama’s election and re-election, I fear that our county is a dead-man walking anyway. As a Christian I believe that we will not be tolerated in any area of public life or be permitted to speak our views in the very near future - in some places this is already the case.
So many Christians have abdicated to secularists our local, state, and federal governments. Many Christians have also done the same with our universities and our public schools. I once played one of the shepherds in a Nativity Play at my public school back in the 1960’s. That would not happen today because Christians have been so complacent about what is going on in government. Nearly 30% of evangelical Christians do not even vote.
So, have it your way, wintertime. Our government and all it’s institutions, by your view, were Godless to begin with. So what is the point of arguing over it.
The military is not FORCING children to think and reason GODLESSLY!
re: “The military is not FORCING children to think and reason GODLESSLY!”
So, the focus and basis of our military is God-centered?
Government schools, being godless in their worldview, force children to think and reason godlessly. The children must just to cooperate in the godless classroom.
The military has never abused children in this manner or in any manner.
Why are you defaming and INSULTING the brave men and women serving in our armed forces? Shame!
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