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George Zimmerman trial: State wants testimony about Travyon Martin's personal life excluded
The Orlando Sentinel ^ | May 13, 2013 | Susan Jacobsen

Posted on 05/13/2013 7:09:37 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

The prosecution in the George Zimmerman murder case has asked a judge to prohibit testimony about shooting victim Trayvon Martin's personal life, including whether he had been suspended from school, used marijuana or been in a fight.

The information is irrelevant and would prejudice a jury, the state contends in the motion, filed late Friday.

The motion also asks the judge to disallow:

•Screen names used by Trayvon on social media.

•The fact that he wore or owned a set of gold teeth.

•The contents of text messages received or sent by Trayvon before Feb. 26, the day he died.

•The contents of text messages received or sent by Trayvon on Feb. 26 unless a court has ruled them admissible.

(Excerpt) Read more at orlandosentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: civilrights; kangaroocourt; showtrial; trayvonmartin; trialbymedia; zimmerman
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1 posted on 05/13/2013 7:09:37 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

No mention that he was a bright young child with a brilliant future ahead, right?


2 posted on 05/13/2013 7:10:51 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise

Or that he loved little puppies, kitten and baby birds.


3 posted on 05/13/2013 7:12:24 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Uncle Chip

If they cannot be mention IN the trial, then be sure to give them headline coverage every day so that the low information viewers who WATCH this trial are aware of these things (such as the gangbanger wannabe’s social media names).


4 posted on 05/13/2013 7:12:35 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Uncle Chip

If they disallow everything except what happened that day, then it is STILL only Zimmmerman’s word against Saint Trayvon’s (and he’s not around to say) plus pretty close witnesses who saw trayvon on top of Zimmerman, AND Z’s injuries...

So... most of the circumstances support Zimmerman, even if you exclude what a dirtbag Trayvon was.


5 posted on 05/13/2013 7:16:00 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Even if the judge grants the state’s motion, Martin’s background could come in.

If the state raises, even in passing, any reference to Trayvon being a sweet, innocent youth just out to for a walk, it strikes me that such an argument would open the door for the defense to raise his criminal past to rebut that testimony.

And I know what I’m talking about, because I have seen pretty much every episode of Law & Order ever made. ;-)


6 posted on 05/13/2013 7:16:29 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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State’s Motion to protect Martin’s application for Saint of the Hood:

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0513/051013_limine_trayvon.pdf


7 posted on 05/13/2013 7:16:42 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

George Zimmerman followed the intruder because Trayvon looked like a druggie, a thug, and a criminal. Now “Team Frame-the-White-Hispanic” wants to exclude evidence that Trayvon was in fact a druggie, a thug, and a criminal? That makes no sense in terms of justice. Zimmerman shot the criminal in self defense when the black man on top of him was “throwing down blows on the guy MMA [mixed martial arts] style.” It sounds to me like evidence that Trayvon was a thug, a bully, and a trained fighter is completely relevant - which is why Team Frame-the-White-Hispanic want the evidence excluded.


8 posted on 05/13/2013 7:18:36 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Who’d A Thunk It???????????????????????


9 posted on 05/13/2013 7:20:29 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: Uncle Chip

I particulary liked the photo of little Trayvon when he was about 13!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


10 posted on 05/13/2013 7:21:32 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: Mr. K

In response, GZ’s personal life info should be excluded. But then again that would probably be rasis’ to do that.


11 posted on 05/13/2013 7:26:33 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: Uncle Chip
Prejudicing a Jury to Defense Lawyers means ANY references to his criminal past, previous conduct, or anything that could be used to establish CHARACTER are nearly always ruled inadmissable, even when CONVICTED of past acts. This is NOT a way to run the court system, but Lawyers become Judges, and they protect their own income streams.

Serial Murderers can be made to look like Saints in court, by excluding past activities.....

Why don't they blindfold the Jury, so they can't see that the Defendant is black ?

Oh....that's right.....the Jury will be PACKED with Blacks who are going to make a "Social Statement", just like in the OJ Jury.

12 posted on 05/13/2013 7:32:11 AM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: a fool in paradise

Then I guess we won’t see any of this at trial:

Trayvon Swung on a Bus Driver

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cSoyM75eV0k


13 posted on 05/13/2013 7:32:22 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Thanks for posting this article.

The ‘prosecution’ is supposed to be trying to prove the ‘defendant’ (George Zimmerman) is guilty. That is it’s job.

So.... why is the prosecution trying to prove Martin is innocent ? That would be the actions of a defense lawyer.


14 posted on 05/13/2013 7:34:03 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Uncle Chip

You mean they are wanting to HIDE all the information about the meritorious behavior of Saint Skittles of Sanford??


15 posted on 05/13/2013 7:38:42 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Uncle Chip

Typical lawyer posturing; throw out past history. I mean just because the kid posted vides about how he hated white people, was caught with burglary tools and 12 stolen pieces of jewelry in his backpack at school, was into Fight Club ( the back of GZ head had apparently been bashed into the concrete with eyewitness testimony that TM was on top), was busted for using marijuana at school, came back from a store with items to make a drug concoction named Line orang mean he’s a bad kid right? Zimmerman was trying to play cop but with good intentions to protect his neighborhood from thieves but met up with a young punk black kid who didn’t like to be looked at fir what he was and it infuriated him. The rest is history.

Burglaries are probably down considerably now I’d bet.


16 posted on 05/13/2013 7:41:45 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: All

Lord, please get this NYC yankee crap in south Florida over with soon so George can sue the living hell out of their stupid bigot a$$’S! This is nothing but a Reconstruction II NYC bluebelly commie lynching of another poor white boy who dared to even defend himself from one of the savages!


17 posted on 05/13/2013 7:42:44 AM PDT by RHS Jr (Pity the banksters when Jesus comes)
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To: traditional1

Funny how St Tray is being treated like he’s the defendant.


18 posted on 05/13/2013 7:47:09 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

And notice this state Motion:

MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER/MOTION IN LIMINE REGARDING TOXICOLOGY

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0513/051013_protective_order_re_toxicology.pdf

“nor is there any evidence that the victim ingested marijuana at or near the time of death”


19 posted on 05/13/2013 7:50:37 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: RHS Jr

I’m curious what part of this do you attribute to “Reconstruction II NYC bluebelly commies”?


20 posted on 05/13/2013 8:14:05 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Uncle Chip

From all I have heard, this prosecution case seems pretty weak.

Will we see a rerun of the Rodney King riots, if Zimmerman is found not guilty?

Will Al Sharpton and all of the MSNBC crowd claim that our system of justice is racist and all that, if Zimmerman is acquitted?

Will some, such as that idiot black congresswoman, who claimed that Trayvon was shot in the street like a dog, claim that any rioting is justified as righteous indignation at an unjust verdict?

Zimmerman has been tried and found guilty by the liberals. They have poisoned the well, so to speak. So, if Zimmerman is found not guilty, the liberals will fan the flames of racism once again, saying our system is racist.

And that could then lead to riots. I hope I’m wrong. I pray to God that I am wrong. But the way the liberals have set up this case, they have set it up to claim racism and injustice are alive and well.


21 posted on 05/13/2013 8:38:39 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Uncle Chip

They might as well charge George Z with having killed Mother Theresa, John Kennedy, and having a hand in the crucifixion of Jesus!


22 posted on 05/13/2013 9:40:11 AM PDT by Temujinshordes
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STATE’S MOTION IN LIMINE REGARDING CALLING OF WITNESSES

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0513/051013_limine_calling_witnesses.pdf

Is the state not going to call Witness 8 to testify???


23 posted on 05/13/2013 9:40:55 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Nope.

Goes to character and developement of lifestyle as gangsta wannabe ....


24 posted on 05/13/2013 9:43:14 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Maceman

Denny Crane!!!


25 posted on 05/13/2013 9:44:19 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Uncle Chip

[[George Zimmerman trial: State wants testimony about Travyon Martin’s personal life excluded]]

Why woudl a fair and balanced court which is supposed to be abotu justice nd NOT about politics, refuse testimony which is pertinent to establishign the FACT that martin was a thug and wanna be gangster who targetted george purposely


26 posted on 05/13/2013 9:49:03 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: rktman

From what I hear GZ would be happy to include his personal life- apparently he is a good family man and volunteers a lot

So, do I understand the the prosecution wants to exclude Trayvon’s past because it is bad, and exclude GZ’s because it is good?


27 posted on 05/13/2013 11:15:10 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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This is the state’s attempt to bar Zimmerman’s walkthrough video or his recorded statements and to try to force Zimmerman to take the witness stand.

STATE’S MOTION IN LIMINE REGARDING SELF-SERVING HEARSAY STATEMENTS OF DEFENDANT

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0513/051013_limine_hearsay.pdf


28 posted on 05/13/2013 11:28:07 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: UCANSEE2
"why is the prosecution trying to prove Martin is innocent ?"
Well said, why can't Mr. Zimmerman bring up Mr. Martin's history of combativeness?
29 posted on 05/13/2013 11:51:41 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Can’t think of who else the State would make such a fuss over. W8 was problematic for the State, but might have become untenable due to the festering “Francine situation” (State and Defense likely know more about this than we do), and the “ping logs” which might destroy her version of events.

I haven’t read the Charging Affidavit recently, but if the State relied on a witness to make the charge, the fact of the State withdrawing that witness seems like a big deal that the jury should know about (it would precipitate dismissal in a just world). I can see where BdlR would not want to have to expplain it.

IIRC, Judge Nelson made comments on 4-30-13 to the effect of postponing the decision about sanctioning the State over for W8’s depo, until it was clear that it had any relevance. Gee, did she know something then...?

Without W8, the State’s case goes from weak to nothing.
Perhaps this is just a head fake?


30 posted on 05/13/2013 11:59:23 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: Mr. K

From what I read the want to exclude just about everything about st. trayvon the martyr but any and everything about GZ is okay.


31 posted on 05/13/2013 12:04:54 PM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: Uncle Chip

If the prosecution is planning on bringing George Zimmerman’s personal life into the trial records, then it’s only fair that the defense has the right to bring in Trayvon Martin’s personal life as well.


32 posted on 05/13/2013 1:03:48 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Uncle Chip

Goes to motive. If the prosecution doesn’t allege that Zimmerman was racist, that he had no business following Trayvon Martin or in any way portray Martin as squeaky clean and therefore incapable of attacking Zimmerman, the exclusion would be fair.

But if the prosecution alleges that Zimmerman was racist, Zimmerman has the right to demonstrate that his hunch was, in fact, correct.

If the prosecution alleges that in no way would Martin ever have been the type of kid to get in trouble, than Zimmerman has the right to establish that Martin was, in fact, a repeat criminal.

My understanding is that the prosecution, however, is based on those charges.


33 posted on 05/13/2013 1:40:48 PM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: dangus
If the prosecution doesn’t allege that Zimmerman was racist, that he had no business following Trayvon Martin or in any way portray Martin as squeaky clean and therefore incapable of attacking Zimmerman, the exclusion would be fair.

How so? The main question for a fair jury should be whether TM battered GZ without GZ having acted in unreasonable and/or unlawful fashion to provoke him. GZ is claiming that TM did exactly that. For a jury to accept GZ's version of events, it would have to accept that TM's actions were radically different from most people's normal actions. Much of the evidence the prosecution wants to exclude would tend to show that while the actions ascribed to TM aren't consistent with how most people behave, they are consistent with how TM used to behave. Such evidence would serve to corroborate GZ's description of events.

34 posted on 05/13/2013 3:35:37 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: Uncle Chip

“This is the state’s attempt to bar Zimmerman’s walkthrough video or his recorded statements and to try to force Zimmerman to take the witness stand.”

That seems likely. Also implies the BdlR can’t find any significant inconsistencies to exploit, or the State would relish letting the D present the material, then ripping it to shreds.

I posted earlier about the Charging Affidavit, assuming W8 is the witness the State intends to drop. I re-read the doc and marked it up — the only info implying a crime by GZ depend upon W8 alone (Sabrina Fulton’s easily impeached claim that TM was the one shouting for help means little without the W8 context). One wonders if BdlR is literally “going through the motions” to show he fought the good PC fight, while actually shaping the ground for Nelson to dismiss the case. Alternatively, the “can’t mention dropped State witnesses” motion could be a gambit whereby, if the State drops W8 as a witness after the trial begins, the Defense couldn’t mention it in a request for dismissal on the basis of a factually unsupported charging affidavit.

This trial is certainly going to be shaped on 5-28. BdlR appears to have outlined how he would defend GZ, then filed motions to deprive GZ of almost all logical defenses. I guess that passes for the “pursuit of justice” in his mind. No fair judge would grant the State any of these ridiculous motions — you can’t even explain the case without getting into why TM was in Sanford, etc. His attempt to shield TM’s past behavior, and even the mj in his system at the time of the incident, highlights that BdlR knows how much it matters.


35 posted on 05/13/2013 7:17:43 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: Chewbarkah
One wonders if BdlR is literally “going through the motions” to show he fought the good PC fight, while actually shaping the ground for Nelson to dismiss the case.

Yeppers -- the defense has the prosecution and its scheme team surrogates over a barrell.

The prosecution are at this point trying not for a conviction but for a way to prevent an array of embarrassing evidence from coming to the public eye and ear in court.

It will be one thing to lose their case. It will be something else entirely to be so thoroughly embarrassed by the absence of inculpatory yet plethora of exculpatory evidence that even their supporters in the low information community begin to call for it all to end so that more does not come to the surface.

36 posted on 05/13/2013 9:36:31 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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BDLR (State of Florida) Motions To Hide Background Information of Trayvon Martin

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/05/14/bdlr-state-of-florida-motions-to-hide-background-information-of-trayvon-martin/


37 posted on 05/14/2013 5:40:01 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Will they want Zimmermans broken nose stricken also?


38 posted on 05/14/2013 5:43:11 AM PDT by jughandle
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To: Chewbarkah
Since BdlR is very concerned about prejudicing the jury, I suggest the Defense move to preempt the State from using images of TM below the age of 16. No posters of TM as a child, hugging a baby, wearing Hollister T-shirt, etc. that will otherwise be out in force.

LOL

Will we see Motions forbidding any pictures or mentions of Watermelon Juice or guys in hoodies trying to buy blunts???

39 posted on 05/14/2013 5:51:56 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: jughandle
Will they want Zimmermans broken nose stricken also?

That would be the second time for it to be stricken.

40 posted on 05/14/2013 5:55:52 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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