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Did Clinton and Obama Believe Their Benghazi Baloney?
Townhall.com ^ | May 13, 2013 | Michael Barone

Posted on 05/13/2013 7:21:20 AM PDT by Kaslin

What were Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton thinking? Why did they keep pitching the line that the 9/11/12 Benghazi attack that killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans started as a spontaneous protest against an anti-Muslim video?

One possible explanation is confusion. There was such an attack on our embassy in Cairo earlier that day that fit that description.

When Hillary Clinton on Sept. 14 talked of a "mob" and "violent attacks" over the caskets of the Americans slain in Benghazi, she could have been referring to the attacks in Cairo. In that case, she would not exactly be lying, as many have charged.

But she would have been misleading people, quite possibly intentionally. We know that she assured one victim's father, Charles Wood, that "we're going to prosecute that person that made the video."

Not entirely successfully, by the way. "I knew she was lying," Woods said after the House committee hearing on Benghazi last week.

It's hard to escape the conclusion that Clinton was knowingly attempting to mislead. She certainly knows the difference between Cairo and Benghazi.

And it's undisputed that Gregory Hicks, the No. 2 man in our Libya embassy, reported that it was an "attack" on Sept. 11. That was the word he heard in his last conversation with Chris Stevens.

It's undisputed as well, after testimony at the House committee hearing last week, that Beth Jones, acting head of State's Near Eastern Division, emailed on Sept. 12 that "the group that conducted the attacks, Ansar al-Shariah, is affiliated with Islamic terrorists."

That email went to Clinton counselor Cheryl Mills and State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland, among others. You may remember Mills as one of the lawyers defending Bill Clinton in his impeachment trial.

On Sept. 15, the day after Clinton's assurances to Woods, State Department and White House officials prepared talking points for members of Congress and for Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice, who was scheduled to go on five Sunday talk shows the next day.

Who chose Rice as the administration's spokesman? As Barack Obama said after the election, when she was reportedly under consideration to be the next secretary of state, Rice had "nothing to do" with Benghazi.

Selecting which officials go on the Sunday talk show is a White House function. Either the president or someone who had good reason to believe he was reflecting his wishes selected someone who was out of the loop on the issue.

The expectation must have been that she would say exactly what she was told -- and would not betray any inconvenient facts known to those in the loop like Clinton.

The Weekly Standard's Stephen Hayes got hold of the series of Sept. 15 emails in which White House and State Department officials prepared the talking points.

Deleted were references to warnings State received before Sept. 11 of Ansar al-Sharia and al-Qaida-linked attacks in Benghazi. Nuland describes these as "issues ... of my building leadership."

The final talking points said "the currently available information suggests that the demonstration in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the U.S. diplomatic post and subsequently its annex." Rice went on TV and parroted the line.

That was refuted by Hicks. The video was a "non-event" in Libya, he told the House committee. And he testified that he was chastised by none other than Mills for briefing Republican Rep. Jason Chaffetz without a lawyer present.

The FBI did not find time to interview Hicks. But State did find time to yank him out of his job and give him a desk job he regards as a demotion.

Obama continued to attribute the Benghazi attack to a protest against a video on Sept. 18 ("Letterman"), Sept. 20 (Univision) and Sept. 25 ("The View" and the United Nations).

There were obvious cynical political motives for attempting to mislead voters during a closely contested presidential campaign.

Obama did not want his theme of "Osama is dead, al-Qaida is on the run" to be undercut by an Islamist terrorist attack on our ambassador.

Clinton did not want her department's denial of pleas for additional security in Libya to become known.

But maybe they were also trying to deceive themselves. Which may be even more disturbing.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: benghazi; benghaziemails; hillarybenghazi; obamabenghazi

1 posted on 05/13/2013 7:21:20 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

hey bill.....what difference does it make now?


2 posted on 05/13/2013 7:24:36 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Kaslin

Why did they keep telling the story of that Video trash?

Because the idiots who support them believed it.

They even went so far as to put the video producer in jail.

He is still there.


3 posted on 05/13/2013 7:25:22 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Kaslin
Incompetence is just their fallback defensive position. The truth is much worse.


4 posted on 05/13/2013 7:26:11 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Kaslin

They thought it was a Mostest Excellent Idea ever ,that will protect the Muslim Brothers


5 posted on 05/13/2013 7:26:26 AM PDT by molson209
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To: Kaslin
No, their argument is along the lines of :
So what if we lied? Who cares now? Its not against the law to lie, especially not in an election year. The GOP is just up to its usual tricks of trying to hurt our President and Hillary Clinton. Americans dont care about this, they want to hear about our president's new jobs plan. Or gun bill...or pre-school lunches...’
6 posted on 05/13/2013 7:28:19 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Venturer

And some of them still believe it


7 posted on 05/13/2013 7:28:45 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

They’re both too busy looking for their next lay, ya think?


8 posted on 05/13/2013 7:29:29 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Kaslin
Dunno it they believed it themselves, but they surely did believe the press would help them make us believe it!
9 posted on 05/13/2013 7:30:20 AM PDT by null and void (The motto of all liberals is "Using your guilt and your gelt we can get away with anything!")
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To: sickoflibs
Its not against the law to lie

Point of order?

It is against the law for one of us to lie to the government.

10 posted on 05/13/2013 7:31:59 AM PDT by null and void (The motto of all liberals is "Using your guilt and your gelt we can get away with anything!")
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To: Kaslin
But maybe they were also trying to deceive themselves. Which may be even more disturbing.

Barone, get your head out of your a$$. They were trying to deceive us period.

11 posted on 05/13/2013 7:32:33 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Kaslin

Radical leftists don’t really believe or disbelieve anything. They hold a thought in their mind and profess it if it helps their cause.
Truth has no meaning for them. Promoting their cause does.


12 posted on 05/13/2013 7:33:42 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: Kaslin

Maybe is was gun running and saving his reelection and securing canklesaurus her presidency in 2016... but barrone knows as much as we do and still he refuses to be honest with himself and us... typical beltway animal... the lowest form of life in the Republic.

LLS


13 posted on 05/13/2013 7:34:35 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Kaslin

If she were that easily confused, being the Secretary of State, she had no business being Secretary of State. What? Did she pick up the wrong set of notes prepared for her by her Chief of Staff and read them?

The Administration, including Rice, Clinton and Obama, perpetuated the ‘movie’ excuse for 3 weeks afterward.

Were they confused?

Hardly.

At that level, every word, except for Obama off-teleprompter, is heavily weighed, edited, scripted.


14 posted on 05/13/2013 7:35:34 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Kaslin

Did you see that some asshat tweeted that Stevens probably committed suicide to escape from his “Re-thug-lican mother?”


15 posted on 05/13/2013 7:36:46 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: null and void
Either the president or someone who had good reason to believe he was reflecting his wishes selected someone who was out of the loop on the issue.

And they put Rice out there because even if someone in the press did challenge her account, she had no real knowledge of it.

16 posted on 05/13/2013 7:38:12 AM PDT by livius
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To: Kaslin
And some of them still believe it

I spent a little time recently reading through DUmmieland and let me tell you, most DUmmies are terrified by what's coming out about Benghazi. Yeah, they're DUmmies and partisan hacks, but they're smart enough to know when real blood is in the water.

Keep the pressure on folks. More and more people will come forward and tell what they know.

17 posted on 05/13/2013 7:38:21 AM PDT by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: Kharis13

Those have to be the smart ones, the low information voters, or as I call them the idiots still believe it


18 posted on 05/13/2013 7:41:28 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: N. Theknow

I don’t go to these left wing lunatic sites


19 posted on 05/13/2013 7:43:39 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Travis McGee

I agree. I think Obama sees AQ and the Muslim Brotherhood as the legitimate powers in the ME (even though they are having turf wars among themselves) and I also think he’s working for the establishment of a global caliphate. This may be because he’s a Muslim (which he is, although how practicing a Muslim is open to debate) or just because he sees Islam as the only force that can destroy the US and the West that he hates so much and which will open the way to a socialist and totally government managed world.

Islam is theocratic and wants to control every aspect of human life, and this is what Obama wants, too; I really do think he sees himself as fulfilling some Islamic prophecy. He’s nuts, but unfortunately, he’s also the President of the US.


20 posted on 05/13/2013 7:45:07 AM PDT by livius
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To: Kaslin

The video lie was for the American public.

I’m sure there was some highly ‘classified’ lie tailor made for Romney - one that made him feel ‘in’... and made him drop the subject...

And another lie for Military brass - all puffed up with self importance and concerns about cushy jobs after retirement...

Yeah, the twerps knew... the lies were well thought out... My guess is the CIA helped with the ‘video’ clip lie... or maybe it was some dem PR firm... YouTube knows how the numbers came in - they went from almost nothing to hundreds of thousands in minutes.. YouTube would have a record of the lie if some member of the MSM called them...

Hey Washington Post - you still there?


21 posted on 05/13/2013 7:46:29 AM PDT by GOPJ ( A gang rape by Eight isn't 'immigration reform'... Send the millions of illegals home.)
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To: Kaslin
Its 'hard to escape' the conclusion that Hillary was intentionally misleading America.

Michael Barone has a mind like a steel trap.

22 posted on 05/13/2013 7:48:11 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Kaslin
Obama made a calculated decision to lie to the American people prior to the Nov. 2012 elections.

Lie now, get reelected and then deal with "it" later was Obama's directive to Hillary.

23 posted on 05/13/2013 7:48:39 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Kaslin

The two felons actually paid a hollywood producer to film an infomercial to air in Islamic countries apologizing for their famous “the video did it” claim. They aired it all over Islam about a week after Benghazi. They paid millions to pedal the story they knew was a lie.


24 posted on 05/13/2013 7:50:14 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: null and void

They only care about winning an election. Lying is the liberal/progressive way of life.


25 posted on 05/13/2013 7:53:02 AM PDT by Lumper20 (y)
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To: Kaslin

Probably just filled with immense hubris that, based on past experience, the MSM would continue to carry their water on ANY LIE they might choose to put out there.


26 posted on 05/13/2013 7:57:19 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kaslin

“Did Clinton and Obama Believe Their Benghazi Baloney?”

Of course they did. They both suffer from GCS — “George Costanza Syndrome” — “It’s only a lie if you think it is a lie.”


27 posted on 05/13/2013 7:57:35 AM PDT by Polyxene (Out of the depths I have cried to Thee, O Lord; Lord, hear my voice.)
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To: null and void
RE :”It is against the law for one of us to lie to the government.

That is getting a bit off the topic of election lies....but...

For example , say the police are investigating a crime.... and say you are the suspect....they can tell you all the lies they want to get you to confess, or plea, or give up evidence... and still use it in court against you.

But you lying to police in the same context is illegal.

28 posted on 05/13/2013 8:05:02 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Lumper20

“The presidents job was to win the election, that’s what he is supposed to do” - Geraldo Rivera, regarding Benghazi


29 posted on 05/13/2013 8:06:44 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Kaslin
Question: "Did Clinton and Obama Believe Their Benghazi Baloney?"

Answer: They have lied so often that they have lost the capacity to discriminate between truth and falsehood.

30 posted on 05/13/2013 8:18:13 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Kaslin
"There were obvious cynical political motives for attempting to mislead voters during a closely contested presidential campaign." - Michael Barone, the Dean of Washington Political Analysts.

"He is known for being the principal author of The Almanac of American Politics, a reference work concerning US governors and federal politicians, and published biennially by National Journal. The Almanac has been called "definitive and essential for anyone writing seriously about campaigns and Congress." - Wiki you know who.

31 posted on 05/13/2013 8:19:52 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mandatory BB Guns for 10 Year Old Boys would solve most of America's problems.)
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To: Kaslin

Why did they continue to lie?

Simple enough once you remember Hillary’s an attorney. She’s not very good at it, but she is an attorney and she thinks like one.

It’s your standard two bit attorney trick.

By repeating a lie that is so obviously a lie only an idiot would believe it, you can make people believe something else which also isn’t true.

People will believe what they want to believe although it isn’t true.

In this case they repeated the attack was a “spontaneous” response to a protest in Egypt so people would repeat over and over there was no connection to the protest and the attack.

They want people to believe the “spontaneous” lie was a lie created in response to the attack.

In reality the “spontaneous” lie was created before the attack.

The attack was planned then they planned the protest in Egypt to create the spontaneous lie.

At the very minimum the Obama adm. had to know about the attack months in advance in order to create the “spontaneous” lie.

Since the “spontaneous” lie is so outrageous no one above the level of idiot would believe it, we’re back to cheap attorney tricks again.

Projection. Accuse someone else of being guilty of what you have done.

Since everyone agrees the attack was planned, go back and listen to Hillary’s comments after the attack and see if you can figure out from what Hillary said, exactly who Hillary was planning on blaming it on.

Once you learn how to listen to a two bit attorney they will tell you everything you want to know.

Hillary’s no exception.


32 posted on 05/13/2013 8:33:12 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Kaslin

It wasn’t confusion. If it was confusion, they could have cleared up the confusion in a later statement. It was an effort to cover up their roles before the election.


33 posted on 05/13/2013 8:55:06 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: Kaslin

No, they didn’t believe it...but they expected the low-information voters to believe it, and so far their bet appears to be holding.


34 posted on 05/13/2013 8:58:11 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Kaslin

Michael Barone, apologist for Big Government. If these hacks are this devious, they aren’t worth a bucket of warm spit and should be brought up on corruption charges.


35 posted on 05/13/2013 9:15:26 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: null and void; annieokie; penelopesire; maggief; Protect the Bill of Rights; thouworm; SE Mom; ...

They started out trying to lay a trap to snare Israel in. It blew up in their faces when Woods and Doherty disobeyed direct orders to stand down.
Ping


36 posted on 05/13/2013 9:15:54 AM PDT by MestaMachine
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To: Kaslin

Hard for me to keep up with all the details.
Was Gregory Hicks physically located in Tripoli at the time of the attack?


37 posted on 05/13/2013 9:28:06 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Kaslin; MestaMachine

Of course they were lying knowingly. As Mesta Machine just said, it was their freaking plan! Defeatists make the mistake of thinking that just because people are evil, they’re also geniuses. These people are evil, but they also ain’t too smart.


38 posted on 05/13/2013 9:45:58 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Kaslin
There was such an attack on our embassy in Cairo earlier that day that fit that description.

No there wasn't.

The protests and attack in Cairo weren't about that stupid 'video.'

Brian Lilley: The MSM is lying about the muslim riots
Interviews on the streets of Cairo. 'Video' had nothing to do with protests and attack.

39 posted on 05/13/2013 9:51:01 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Kaslin

They don’t need to believe it. They just need others to (continue to)believe it.


40 posted on 05/13/2013 10:00:57 AM PDT by zlala (Thank you for the ultimate sacrifice Capt. Aaron R. Blanchard, KIA 4-23-13, Pul-E-Alam, Afghanistan.)
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To: null and void

BUMP to your post: “Dunno it they believed it themselves, but they surely did believe the press would help them make us believe it!” Well said.


41 posted on 05/13/2013 10:08:37 AM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Kaslin

Benghazi - just another reason to support muslims over Americans.

42 posted on 05/13/2013 10:20:19 AM PDT by Slyfox (The red face of shame is proof that the conscience is still operational.)
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To: Kaslin

Bill, Hillary, Michelle and Hussein think Americans are fools and never question their lies. With the MSM support these four have become consummate grifters.


43 posted on 05/13/2013 10:26:04 AM PDT by monocle
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To: Kaslin

To see the replay of Clinton blaming the video when the bodies came back is really disgusting, using that platform for such a lie ...that played over and over will get her tarred and feathered, not elected.


44 posted on 05/13/2013 11:07:15 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ( EVERY DIME Obama Spends is given to him by the Republicans in the House.)
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To: blackdog

Geraldo, Juan Williams, and Colmes make me puke. They are so far left they just yell and yell.


45 posted on 05/13/2013 1:49:28 PM PDT by Lumper20 (y)
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