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Kermit Gosnell Jury Hung on Two Counts, Doesn’t Say Which Ones
LifeNews ^ | 05/13/2013 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 05/13/2013 9:26:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Reports this morning indicate the jury in the murder trial of abortion practitioner Kermit Gosnell is hung on two counts, but reports do not indicate which ones.

The jury has indicated that it has reached verdicts on 261 other counts. Judge Minehart took less than five minutes to instruct the jury to go back and reconsider the two hung charges and attempt to come to a consensus without violating anyone’s conscience. He told them that their disagreement is a sign that they are taking the case seriously, according to reporters inside the courtroom.

If verdicts cannot be reached, the judge may accept the guilty verdicts and declare a mistrial on the two hung counts.

jdmullane @jdmullane

#Gosnell jury says it is hung on two counts, but don't say which ones. 10:17 AM - 13 May 2013

Joseph A. Slobodzian @JoeSlobo

Judge could tell Gosnell jury to keep trying or declare mistrial on two and take verdicts on remaining 250+ counts. 10:34 AM - 13 May 2013

Sean G. O'Sullivan @SeanGOSullivan

According to attys, judge will order #gosnell jury to try again on two hung counts before he accepts partial verdict or declares mistrial 10:37 AM - 13 May 2013

Sean G. O'Sullivan @SeanGOSullivan

#gosnell Jury note implies they have reached agreement on 261 other charges #verdictwatch #netde 10:44 AM - 13 May 2013

jdmullane @jdmullane

Judge Minehart will give #Gosnell jury a "Spencer charge," I.e. implore them to reach a verdict, though not violate their conscious. 10:49 AM - 13 May 2013

Steve Volk @SteveVolk

Judge just told jury disagreement is a sign they are taking case "seriously," "objectively" and sent them back. #Gosnell @phillymag

Gosnell is charged with four counts of first-degree murder for killing babies following delivery in an abortion process that involved “snipping” their necks and spinal cords. He also faces a third-degree murder charge related to the death of a woman, Karnamaya Mongar, 41, of Virginia, from a botched legal abortion. Gosnell, who has been in jail since his January 2011 arrest.

The abortionist faces 258 counts total and other charges against him include one count of infanticide and one of racketeering, 24 counts of performing third-trimester abortions and 227 counts of failing to follow the 24-hour waiting period law before an abortion so women can consider its risks and alternatives.

Last week, the wanted to re-hear testimony from Adrienne Moton, a medical assistant who told the court in March that she snipped the spines of at least 10 babies during unorthodox abortions. And she said Dr. Kermit Gosnell and another employee did the same sipping technique. Moton, the first employee to testify, sobbed as she recalled taking a cellphone photograph of one baby left in her work area.

She thought he could have survived, given his size and pinkish color. She had measured him at nearly 30 weeks. “The aunt felt it was just best for her (the mother’s) future,” Moton testified. Gosnell later joked that the baby was so big he could have walked to the bus stop, she said. Jurors saw Moton’s photograph on a large screen in the courtroom, which took on a bizarre look Tuesday as she testified near a hospital bed with stirrups and other aging obstetric equipment.

Denied the chance to bring jurors to the shuttered inner-city clinic, prosecutors are instead recreating a patient room in court. Moton, 35, sobbed as she described her work at the clinic. Because of problems at home, she had moved in with Gosnell and his third wife during high school, and she went to work for him from 2005 to 2008. She earned about $10 an hour, off the books, to administer drugs, perform sonograms, help with abortions and dispose of fetal remains. Workers got $20 bonuses for second-term abortions on Saturdays, when a half-dozen were sometimes performed. She once had to kill a baby delivered in a toilet, cutting its neck with scissors, she said.

Asked if she knew that was wrong, she said, “At first I didn’t.” If sentenced for the convictions, Gosnell could face the death penalty following the convictions by the jury in Common Pleas Court in Philadelphia. Under Pennsylvania law, all 12 of the jurors must reach a unanimous verdict on any of the murder counts Gosnell faces for him to be convicted on any of them.

Each of the elements of a charged crime must be proven to each juror beyond reasonable doubt for that juror to vote to convict on that count and one reluctant juror could lead to a mistrial on any of the first-degree murder charges. Since prosecutors are pursuing the death penalty in the case, the jury will only be deciding whether Gosnell is guilty related to the charges.

If convicted, a second jury will be impaneled to determine sentencing under the penalty phase of the trial. During this phase, the judge has already instructed jurors to only consider guilt or innocence. Given the number of charges Gosnell faces, and the fact that Gosnell has a co-defendant the jury is considering for conviction as well, the jury make take a longer period of time to arrive at a verdict on each of the 250-plus charges. Most of the focus in the murder trial of abortion practitioner Kermit Gosnell is on the murder charges he faces for killing babies in abortion-infanticides and for killing a woman in a botched abortion.

But Gosnell faces more than 200 charges related to violating Pennsylvania state law that requires him to provide women with informed consent 24 hours prior to the abortion. Gosnell is charged with breaking that law by not giving women information about abortion risks and alternatives 24 hours prior to the abortion. Eight other defendants who are former staffers of Gosnell’s Philadelphia abortion clinic have pleaded guilty to a variety of charges and are awaiting sentencing. Previously, the judge in the case reinstated one of the murder charges and dropped another.

Gosnell’s defense attorney asked the judge to drop three of the charges for killing the babies and the judge agreed with the contention there was not enough evidence to convict Gosnell on those charges. Another charge of infanticide was also dropped. One of the dropped charges involved a 28-week-old baby Gosnell killed and whose remains were kept in an abortion clinic freezer. Common pleas court Judge Jeffrey Minehart also dropped five counts of corpse abuse at the request of his defense attorney and did not explain his ruling dropping any of the charges.

The defense had argued that there were no live births at Gosnell’s Women’s Medical Center abortion clinic and contends the babies died during abortions and their necks were snipped afterwards. But former Gosnell staffers testified they saw signs of life even after the abortion had been completed — saying the babies “jumped” and “screamed” and tried to escape. Gosnell, whose squalid “house of horrors” abortion clinic has surprised even investigative officials, has had almost flippant attitude toward his macabre abortion practices shocked the nation.

“The Gosnell case is a watershed moment for the issue of abortion,” said Troy Newman, President of Operation Rescue and Pro-Life Nation. “The discovery of his horrific practices helped shed light on an abortion industry that has run amok without oversight or accountability for decades, and has prompted significant changes in abortion laws and attitudes toward enforcement in several states.”

Previously, Gosnell’s wife Pearl pleaded guilty to assisting her husband at his Philadelphia abortion center where he killed a woman in a botched abortion and has killed hundreds of babies in abortion-infanticides. Pearl Gosnell was considering a plea deal similar to the one several of Gosnell’s former abortion center employees have made where they have pleaded guilty to receive a lesser sentence in exchange for testifying against Gosnell.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; gosnell

1 posted on 05/13/2013 9:26:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Convict him, then take a pair of rusty dull scissors and snip his spinal cord at the base of the neck....
2 posted on 05/13/2013 9:31:50 AM PDT by nevergore
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To: SeekAndFind
Quite normal when a conscientious jury has hundreds of counts in an indictment.

I'm surprised they were unable to reach a verdict on only two counts.

The "dynamite" charge is standard, to ensure that the jury is really at an impasse and truly cannot agree.

3 posted on 05/13/2013 9:36:38 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: nevergore

Convict him, then take a pair of rusty dull scissors and snip his spinal cord at the base of the neck....

No, No, No,

Start at L5 and work your way up to C1, one vertebrae at a time...


4 posted on 05/13/2013 9:40:04 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: SeekAndFind

All that we can do now is to pray.


5 posted on 05/13/2013 9:47:51 AM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: SeekAndFind

The person that wrote this article is assuming the jury has found him guilty on the 200+ counts and is only undecided on two...

I think it is FAR more likely that the jury found him innocent on the 200+ counts, and is hung on only two.

I have no faith in my fellow citizens.


6 posted on 05/13/2013 9:50:47 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s amazing.

During Vietnam, all I heard was how U.S. pilots were “baby killers” committing crimes against humanity.

The demonstrations featured people screaming this in front of the ROTC building on campuses across the country.

Now we have a real live certified baby killer sitting in plain view with all the evidence open to see.

Where are the outraged Leftists of yesteryear?

The angry Baby Boomers shocked by the evil of it all?

They shrug with indifference and say, “it’s an abortion man, whadja expect?”


7 posted on 05/13/2013 9:55:37 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: TexasFreeper2009; little jeremiah; narses
I think it is FAR more likely that the jury found him innocent on the 200+ counts, and is hung on only two.

Exactly.

And this jury will confirm our national cult of Moloch.

God help us.

8 posted on 05/13/2013 9:55:47 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

For a liberal to find this man guilty... they would have to admit that THEY are murderers themselves partially responsible for 10 times more deaths than the Nazi’s.

What’s the chance that their isn’t at least ONE liberal on that jury?


9 posted on 05/13/2013 10:03:09 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
What’s the chance that their isn’t at least ONE liberal on that jury?

There is no way that a rational mind could not declare what he was doing as murder on an industrial scale.

Liberals are, by their very nature, irrational (and not merely about abortion).

That is why I am confident he will be found not guilty.

It makes me sick to think that. But I will be shocked if he is found guilty on a single charge.

10 posted on 05/13/2013 10:05:16 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
The person that wrote this article is assuming the jury has found him guilty on the 200+ counts and is only undecided on two...
I think it is FAR more likely that the jury found him innocent on the 200+ counts, and is hung on only two.
I have no faith in my fellow citizens.

You may well be correct. But if so, it may just be to stupidity. I've been on several minor municipal court juries and the stupidity and cowardice are amazing. There's always someone who "feels uncomfortable" judging anybody and should therefore not have been allowed on a jury in the first place. Then there are those who expect the prosecution to present such an open and shut case that they consider the prosecution to have failed if they do not produce a slam-dunk. I constantly hear these idiots complain that "the prosecution didn't do a good job proving such-and-such" as if the prosecution is on trial.

I have argued with some of these jurors by explaining that "we're here to sift the evidence and make a decision. Otherwise there'd be no reason for us to be here". America has been dumbed down too much to produce competent juries.

11 posted on 05/13/2013 10:05:55 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

The jury is likely looking for a way to excuse eveything ‘for lack of evidence’. But even they, dead of soul as they have to be to not immediately convict this ghoul, cannot get past the specter of him murdering struggling alive children just born or in the last stage of being born. The sheer evil is almost too much for them to swallow, but they’re trying their best to get it down and walk away don’tchaknow.


12 posted on 05/13/2013 10:06:13 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

it could be innocent on all counts but two.


13 posted on 05/13/2013 10:08:48 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: markomalley

They shrug with indifference and say, “it’s 6an abortion man, whadja expect?”


Or... “I don’t care, man.... where my gubmint check?”


14 posted on 05/13/2013 10:09:55 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

We do not know who is on the jury. I find it hard to believe that on a jury of 12 men and women that we could find people who would disregard ALL the laws this man broke. He will be found guilty on many counts. It is KEY that he is found guilty of the murders of the babies.


15 posted on 05/13/2013 10:12:56 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“I have no faith in my fellow citizens.”

Nor do I. Especially city-dwelling liberal pro-choicers who are loathe to convict a brother.


16 posted on 05/13/2013 10:16:32 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Many of us had the same expectation of the Casey Anthony trial, too.


17 posted on 05/13/2013 10:18:38 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: ScottinVA

exactly.

that’s one of the biggest problems with us letting the liberals take over the cities!

The cities are where all the big case are tried, and liberals make up nearly the entire cities population and thus it’s juries.


18 posted on 05/13/2013 10:19:30 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, it could be guilty on some, innocent on some, and undecided on two.

It’s hard to believe that any jury could be so in love with abortion that they’d find him innocent on ALL counts. And equally hard to imagine that all twelve of them would find him innocent on ALL counts.

Most likely there was at least some division—seven to five, ten to two, who knows?—and they will reach some sort of compromise.


19 posted on 05/13/2013 10:21:19 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Jury nulification in criminal cases is a way of life in DC. Not Guilty by race is sop.


20 posted on 05/13/2013 10:21:25 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ScottinVA

she wasn’t loaded with 258 charges. He is loaded with undeniable non-murder felony charges that are undeniable. He will be convicted of many of them. It is important that he is convicted of the baby murders. It is really all that matters.


21 posted on 05/13/2013 10:30:51 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Jim from C-Town
He will be convicted of many of them. It is important that he is convicted of the baby murders.

I certainly hope he is and agree that it's important he be convicted of the baby murders, but that doesn't mean he will. I fear he'll be "convicted" of some relatively minor, peripheral offenses, but will skate on the murder raps.

22 posted on 05/13/2013 10:39:58 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: longtermmemmory
It's possible, but if that were the case I would have expected them to be like the O.J. jury and come back in a hurry.

The rule of thumb is that acquittals come relatively quickly but convictions take time. There are of course exceptions. I've seen an insanity jury (on a defense in a murder case) come back with a verdict of sane/competent to stand trial in twenty minutes.

23 posted on 05/13/2013 10:45:42 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: ScottinVA

I think we all fear that. Our society is truly sick1


24 posted on 05/13/2013 10:51:40 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Shannon Bream ‏@ShannonBream 15s BREAKING: Producer in #Gosnell courtroom says VERDICT HAS BEEN REACHED
25 posted on 05/13/2013 11:15:49 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: SeekAndFind

Verdict is in. Standing by...


26 posted on 05/13/2013 11:27:34 AM PDT by NautiNurse (BOHICA)
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To: GraceG

Well....if you insist....


27 posted on 05/13/2013 11:46:00 AM PDT by nevergore
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t know if they’ll find him guilty. People who are dumb enough to vote for Obama are capable of any level of idiocy.


28 posted on 05/13/2013 11:52:26 AM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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To: SeekAndFind

I wouldn’t be surprised if CZAR GOSNELL OBAMA granted the murderer a pardon and invited him to the Rose Garden for a beer!


29 posted on 05/13/2013 1:20:02 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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