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Horrific Casualties Predicted in Iran-Israel Nuclear War
Real Clear World ^ | Nick Turse

Posted on 05/13/2013 2:17:46 PM PDT by njslim

In those first minutes, they'll be stunned. Eyes fixed in a thousand-yard stare, nerve endings numbed. They'll just stand there. Soon, you'll notice that they are holding their arms out at a 45-degree angle. Your eyes will be drawn to their hands and you'll think you mind is playing tricks. But it won't be. Their fingers will start to resemble stalactites, seeming to melt toward the ground. And it won't be long until the screaming begins. Shrieking. Moaning. Tens of thousands of victims at once. They'll be standing amid a sea of shattered concrete and glass, a wasteland punctuated by the shells of buildings, orphaned walls, stairways leading nowhere.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iran; israe; israel; nuclear; war; waronterror
Very disturbing.....
1 posted on 05/13/2013 2:17:46 PM PDT by njslim
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To: njslim

A real Nostradamus at work here...


2 posted on 05/13/2013 2:20:28 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains
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To: njslim

great visualization, but, Israel vs Iran is a two hit fight. Israel hits Iran and Iran hits the floor.


3 posted on 05/13/2013 2:20:42 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: njslim

The “assupmtions” applied in this “prediction” are significantly flawed.


4 posted on 05/13/2013 2:21:39 PM PDT by G Larry (Darkness Hates the Light)
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To: njslim

Israel - Iran won’t be a “war”. It will be a quick erasure of muslims and take maybe 30 minutes from start to finish.

Horrific? Depends on who’s looking.


5 posted on 05/13/2013 2:24:02 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: njslim

Very disturbing indeed. That a rant from a frequent contributor to The Nation would be posted on FR.


6 posted on 05/13/2013 2:24:26 PM PDT by bagman
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To: njslim

It is unlikely that Israel will strike civilian targets. Israel has always taken the moral high road. They would most likely attack military targets only. They would most likely hit the oil fields; which, by the way, would end the nuclear program right this moment. It would also cause Iran, with nothing to lose, to block the Striates of Hormuz with mines. They have 30,000-70,000. It would take a century to sweep/hunt them all. The world would face starvation on a massive scale. Israel is working hard behind the scenes to undermine Iran’s nuclear effort. They’ll have to wait for a new American administration to actually end it.


7 posted on 05/13/2013 2:26:34 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: njslim

Published reports suggest that American intelligence agencies and Israel’s intelligence service are in agreement: Iran suspended its nuclear weapons development program in 2003.

If they buy this pant load they’ll believe anything.

Oh and 85 percent of Iran lives in the Capital?

Bwhahahahaha.


8 posted on 05/13/2013 2:28:04 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: njslim

Does Iran have missile submarines and thermonuclear weapons? Israel does. They’d be able to mount a second and third wave of attacks and thermonuclear (”H-Bombs”) are MUCH more powerful than nuclear (”A-Bombs”) such as those used at Nagasaki and Hiroshima.


9 posted on 05/13/2013 2:28:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: njslim

We need a kinder, gentler nuclear war. Only Progressive Liberal leadership can guide us there.


10 posted on 05/13/2013 2:28:28 PM PDT by Teacher317 (Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast)
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To: njslim

“Very disturbing.....”

Depends which side you support. Iran has the power to stop this nightmare - Israel has absolutely NO DESIRE to do anything with their nukes, and proved that big-time in 1973.

But if Iran really wants to test them, there will be a lot of pain and suffering in their country. So I have a suggestion for Iran - live and let live - Israel will not do lift a finger to harm you if you can just bring yourself to that level.


11 posted on 05/13/2013 2:29:09 PM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: njslim

the hateful Irani Aholes will eventually provoke Isr to take the gloves off

when they do, kiss Iran goodbye


12 posted on 05/13/2013 2:30:50 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: njslim

Last estimate I saw was something like 60 such weapons in the Israeli arsenal and I did not see any with the impact of fusion weaponry.


13 posted on 05/13/2013 2:33:58 PM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Gen.Blather

I calculated a strike, as I would have done it, years ago. 20 warheads for first strike, 20 in reserve.

Around 30 million, far as I remember.


14 posted on 05/13/2013 2:35:06 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: BobL

Study is somewhat bogus

Like that one done in Reagan years (TTAPS) to predict
what would happen after nuclear war in order to justify
disarmament

That scenario in that was based on nuking every major
population center in both North and South hemispheres using
type of weapons which did not exist

Israel would most likely go for certain industrail targets
to cause total collapse of Iranian economy and society
without excessive casualties


15 posted on 05/13/2013 2:38:17 PM PDT by njslim (St)
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To: Hardraade
"Israel - Iran won’t be a “war”. It will be a quick erasure of muslims and take maybe 30 minutes from start to finish."

Sorry, I think it will be more like a couple hours. Iran does have many capabilities. But if Israel goes full ahead (without nukes), Israel will take the skys against Iran's aircraft. Once that happens, Iran is toast.

Remember modern Warfare 101: He who controls the skys, controls every thing.

16 posted on 05/13/2013 2:39:44 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Mouton

Very old data, if so.

2000 was around 400 warheads, I think, with h-bombs in the mix. From what I know, it’s at least doubled now.

There’s also an unconfirmed claim - that Israel has learned how to make a nuclear blast directional. If they have, that’s an unique trick.


17 posted on 05/13/2013 2:41:39 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Gen.Blather
"The world would face starvation on a massive scale."

How did you come to that conclusion?

18 posted on 05/13/2013 2:41:54 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: njslim

Understand...but it depends on the circumstances and exactly what was left of Israel prior. They may just be angry as hell and decide to take them off the map.

I think the point is that they have to capability to basically eliminate them as a race, if they want to.


19 posted on 05/13/2013 2:43:45 PM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: A Navy Vet

Full out nuclear population strike at the largest population centers (there’s not really that many), with a center airburst in the megaton range and an outlying circle around the city.

And single largish hits against nuclear/military sites of significance. Again, not really all that many.

At the end of the first missile flight, it will be all over but the shouting.


20 posted on 05/13/2013 2:47:11 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Mouton

As I understand the tech, adding a fusion secondary to a fission primary is not so difficult as it was 60 years ago, and it is said that the increased yield for minimal added expense makes it a no-brainer.


21 posted on 05/13/2013 2:51:58 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Former Proud Canadian

The oil fields would be early casualties. Europe, at the least, would be in a world of hurt with no supplies.


22 posted on 05/13/2013 2:52:35 PM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: Hardraade

A nice little airburst properly set to fry all electronics within the borders of Iran would be fun.


23 posted on 05/13/2013 2:56:03 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mandatory BB Guns for 10 Year Old Boys would solve most of America's problems.)
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To: doorgunner69

The only thing that is marginally difficult is the h-bomb with a “dial-in” yield.

And even that is not exactly any secret to states with the basic technology.


24 posted on 05/13/2013 2:56:29 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Former Proud Canadian

“”The world would face starvation on a massive scale.”
How did you come to that conclusion?”

“The Persian Gulf produced about 28 percent of the world’s oil supply and exported over 18 million bbl/d in 2006. In 2006, the Persian Gulf countries (Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates) produced about 28 percent of the world’s oil, while holding 55 percent (728 billion barrels) of the world’s crude oil reserves.”

Most of Africa and many other countries do not have significant reserves of oil. If there was an abrupt disruption of, say, 20% of the world’s oil then those countries would face an immediate, desperate problem. For many African countries, a $1 increase in the price of gasoline translates into x% of the country falling below the starvation line. Never has there been a disruption in modern times on this scale. Western countries are rich enough that food would continue to be produced. But for months, possibly years, the added costs to poorer countries would translate into millions of people starving to death.

Even if the richer nations made a full-court-press effort to avert disaster, the resources to do so simply could not be mobilized quickly enough. Israel would take the blame. That is most likely why they haven’t used the oil path to taking down the current Iranian regime. Iran’s oil could be destroyed with just the cruise missiles from the two subs Israel sent to the Persian Gulf in the waning days of the Bush administration.


25 posted on 05/13/2013 2:57:41 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Uncle Miltie

Yes. Since Iran is probably not exactly hardened against that kind of thing, all electronics and electrical stuff would likely be gone after the first hit. Including any defenses.


26 posted on 05/13/2013 2:59:11 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: njslim

In 1961, I was told that, when I was a G.I. brat, living on Otis AFB, MA, the furthermost land mass point, and location of the Continental Aerial Defense Identification Zone, protected by F-101 Voodoo fighters, and Bomarc ground-to-air long range “high yield” missiles.

The general in charge of the base came to my school. We had a lecture from him that ended with: “Kids, if you ever see a large flash happen on this base, just stop, look at the flash, and don’t worry about anything else. Your mom and dad will be doing their jobs, and they will be safe.”

‘Oooo, pretty!’


27 posted on 05/13/2013 3:01:09 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Terry L Smith

Remember Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, was 7 in 2nd grade

Big rumor at school that week was that Russkies had targeted
school. We figured be great if Russian nuked the school
so would have vacation......


28 posted on 05/13/2013 3:07:01 PM PDT by njslim (St)
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To: njslim

Sounds teriffic!!!

Turn the middle east into a glass parking lot!


29 posted on 05/13/2013 3:09:49 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Teacher317
“We need a kinder, gentler nuclear war.”

all destruction of the middle east is much better! The only good muslim is a dead one!

30 posted on 05/13/2013 3:14:47 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: njslim

Those who consider an Iran-Israel nuclear exchange need to realize an even more horrific reality.

Iran is not the only nation that wants to annihilate Israel.

Israel must calculate that if it is too badly damaged after a war with Iran, it could be overrun by Arab armies that have long sought to destroy it, and tried to do so several times.

The only Arab nation that at least for a time was at peace with Israel was Egypt. And to do so cost its leader, Anwar Sadat, his life.

So Israel must consider that, if attacked by one such nation, it must eliminate the capacity to wage war by several nations.

So, who would be on Israel’s target list?

Number one, by far, the instigator and treasurer of Islamic terrorism around the world, is Saudi Arabia. Riyadh, Mecca, Medina, and a few other cities. Arabia would be effectively neutralized with 6 or 8 nuclear weapons.

Israel has about 200.

Damascus, Syria, and much of eastern Lebanon would also be forfeit, because of Hezbollah. Perhaps even Beirut.

Israel might send a message to the Egyptian army that they give the government an ultimatum for peace. Though there really is no estimation of the Israeli calculation.

Even parts of Pakistan might be forfeit, as they train the foot soldiers of terrorism, and have a population half as large as that of the United States. As yet, their missiles cannot reach Israel, but that is subject to change, and they have no problem with targeting nuclear missiles against Israel if they could.


31 posted on 05/13/2013 4:02:54 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: njslim
Israel has never confirmed or denied possessing nuclear weapons, but is widely known to have up to several hundred nuclear warheads in its arsenal. Iran has no nuclear weapons and its leaders claim that its nuclear program is for peaceful civilian purposes only.

See? It's pure, impartial, rational science. No evidence of prejudice whatever.

32 posted on 05/13/2013 4:18:49 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Ingtar

Screw the Euro-weenies. They hate Israel almost as much as Iran does. Let ‘em freeze in the dark.


33 posted on 05/13/2013 4:21:34 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: njslim
GOD will protect Israel but iran will be cast into the fiery lake.

LLS

34 posted on 05/13/2013 4:36:12 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
So, who would be on Israel’s target list? Number one, by far, the instigator and treasurer of Islamic terrorism around the world, is Saudi Arabia.

Exactly, and this has to be repeated over and over and over ....

35 posted on 05/13/2013 4:43:23 PM PDT by Dartman (Mubarak and Gaddafi are going to look like choirboys when this is over)
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To: Gen.Blather; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

G’night all. Pleasant dreams.


36 posted on 05/13/2013 7:46:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
"Number one, by far, the instigator and treasurer of Islamic terrorism around the world, is Saudi Arabia."

May be. It's toss up between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Yet, the United States President bows before King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia.

As I state on another thread, with all our newly found oil resources in our nation (think fracking), it's time to kiss the camel-humpers goodbye. Here ya go Royal Family, my ass is in the air for you to kiss it with fresh bacon place on each buttcheek. Go back to your 7th century and leave us alone. In fact, go back to your tents before western civilization discovered your oil and you profited from it.

Just DIE off you tyrannical women abusing POS's. I don't know what our State Department is thinking, but I see you as an enemy. We should cut all ties with Saudi Arabia and tell them where they can shove their stupid looking robes and headgear. F them.

37 posted on 05/13/2013 9:11:21 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: tet68
"Published reports suggest that American intelligence agencies and Israel’s intelligence service are in agreement: Iran suspended its nuclear weapons development program in 2003. If they buy this pant load they’ll believe anything. Oh and 85 percent of Iran lives in the Capital? Bwhahahahaha."

Yeah, and Walter Cronkite said the Viet Nam war was over after the Tet Offensive. The first of a long list of media opinions that were wrong, but as usual, caused many American lives.

Iraq is supposedly free, but we keep seeing our Troops come home with missing limbs.
Aftganiscrap is supposedly free of the Taliban/al Queda, but we still see casualties there.

We won't win anywhere in the world until we drop another bomb or two on these Koranimals. THAT will wake them up!

Thank you for your service, Tet. Glad I missed it.

38 posted on 05/13/2013 9:21:14 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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