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Another Gosnell: Report Shows Texas Abortion Doc Kills Babies Born Alive (WARNING GRAPHIC)
Life News ^ | Operation Rescue

Posted on 05/15/2013 8:28:28 AM PDT by Morgana

After the conviction of late-term abortionist Kermit Gosnell on murder charges, Operation Rescue has been repeatedly asked if there is any evidence that similar practices exist at abortion clinics elsewhere in the nation. That documentation has now been released.

Operation Rescue arranged to have Life Dynamics, Inc. produce a video interview, released yesterday, with three informants who came to Operation Rescue as the result of our Abortion Whistleblowers Program, which offers a reward of $25,000 for information leading to the arrest and conviction of abortionists who are breaking the law.

The three informants, Deborah Edge, Gigi Aguliar, and Krystal Rodriguez, have come forward to tell of their horrific experiences working for abortionist Douglas Karpen, at one of three of his Texas abortion clinics, the Aaron Women’s Clinic in Houston. A fourth informant has co-operated with Operation Rescue, filing an affidavit about her experiences, but remains at this time anonymous.

As shocking as their stories are, these women did more than just talk; they brought forward evidence of illegal late-term abortions in the form of photos taken on their cell phones at the Karpen’s clinic on Schumacher Lane in Houston.

The photos were scandalous. They depicted two babies aborted well beyond the legal limit of 24 weeks in Texas. Their necks had been cut.

Photos of Babies 1 & 2

“The photos show babies that are huge, with gashes in their necks, indicating that these babies were likely born alive, then killed, just as Kermit Gosnell did at his ‘House of Horrors’ clinic in Philadelphia,” said Troy Newman, President of Operation Rescue. “In fact, there are numerous similarities between Karpen and the Gosnell case, including the disregarding of complaints by the authorities that allowed both men to continue their illegal operations.”

Signs of life

In both cases, the babies’ skin is pink, noting a lack of masceration, an early form of decomposition that happens in babies that die in the womb. Massive bruising on the extremities of one of the babies indicates the baby’s heart was pulsing with life when the trauma was inflicted likely when grasping instruments latched on to bring the baby down into the birth canal. The eyes of the other child are open in a nightmarish expression of pain, revealing development greater than 26-28 weeks. Both sets of photos were taken sometime in 2011.

The video interview of the three informants verified the worst.

“When he did an abortion, especially an over 20 week abortion, most of the time the fetus would come completely out before he cut the spinal cord or he introduced one of the instruments into the soft spot of the fetus, in order to kill the fetus,” said Deborah Edge, who worked as a surgical assistant for Karpen for about 15 years until leaving in March, 2011.

“I thought, well, it’s an abortion you know, that’s what he does, but I wasn’t aware that it was illegal…Most of the time we would see him where the fetus would come completely out and of course, the fetus would still be alive,” Edge continued.

How often did this happen?

“I think every morning I saw several, on several occasions,” she said. “If we had 20-something patients, of course ten, or twelve, or fifteen patients would be large procedures, and out of those large procedures, I’m pretty sure that I was seeing at least three or four fetuses that were completely delivered in some way or another,” said Edge, acknowledging that these babies would be alive.

She described how some babies would emerge too soon and would be alive, moving, and breathing. She also told of how Karpen would sometimes deliver the babies feet first with the toes wiggling until he stabbed them with a surgical implement. At the moment the toes would suddenly splay out before going limp. Sometimes he would kill the babies by “twisting the head off the neck,” according to Edge.

Women would be given doses of Cytotec, a drug that causes strong and unpredictable uterine contractions, and would deliver while they were waiting in line to see Karpen, some in toilets, one in the hallway.

“He just picked it up with one of those [chux] pads and put it in the trash bag,” said Krystal Rodriguez of the baby born in the hallway.

“As long as the patient had the cash, he was going to do it past 25 weeks,” she said.

But not all the babies came out intact. When there was difficulty, Karpen would dismember them, a process that was, according to the surgical assistant Deborah Edge, a bloody mess.

“Sometimes he couldn’t get the fetus out” she explained. “He would yank pieces – piece by piece – when they were oversize. And I’m talking about the whole floor dirty. I’m talking about me drenched in blood.”

Undercover investigation and a troubled past

It all began in early 2011, when Operation Rescue was conducting an undercover investigation of several Texas abortion clinics when it discovered that Karpen appeared to be violating the Texas informed consent law that required that abortionists give the state-mandated information personally on patient conference calls set up for that purpose. In addition to the improper use of a recording, he was not on the line to answer questions, as the law required. Operation Rescue’s Cheryl Sullenger filed a complaint with the Texas Medical Board concerning this violation.

Sullenger submitted a statement to the TMB noting Karpen’s documented history of problems, including series of botched abortions stretching back to 1988 when 15-year old Denise Montoya hemorrhaged and died after a 26-week abortion done by Karpen.

She told the TMB of a documented incident on February 6, 2005, when a sewer broke at Karpen’s Texas Ambulatory Surgical Center, located at 2421 N. Shepherd in Houston, causing sewage to spill into the parking lot of a neighboring car dealership. Maribeth Smith, an employee of the car dealership said she is convinced she saw human body parts mixed in with the sewage. She took photographs, believing the human tissue came from the clinic.

“Whether it’s legal or not, it’s not right,” Smith said. “This whole area is nothing but raw sewage and bloody pieces. There were little legs coming out from one side.”

A Health Department worker called 911 to report a second spill at the same abortion clinic. When asked who she was with she told the dispatcher, “Health Department…and we handle normal medical waste, but this is beyond us. He says he can see fetuses and fingers and everything.” (Emphasis in transcript.)

Sullenger hoped that the history of documented abuses would help convince the TMB to act swiftly to protect the public.

Whistleblower comes forward

The following month, Deborah Edge contacted Operation Rescue with her first-hand account Karpen’s practices after she had smuggled one of Operation Rescue’s Whistleblower flyers out of his clinic, knowing that she needed to call.

In addition to the accounts of the illegal late-term abortions, other abuses Edge witnessed included:

Falsification of ultrasounds to produce younger fetal ages of babies over the legal limit or older fetal ages to extract more money out of women. Fraudulent billing practices. Surgical equipment not properly sterilized. Reuse of disposable instruments. Unqualified workers drawing and administering drugs. Late-term abortions done at 28 weeks and later. (Texas law permits only to 24 weeks.) Lack of adequate nursing staff. Concealing poorly kept logs from inspectors to prevent deficiency citations. Hiring nurses through a temp agency to work only on days when inspections are scheduled. Mistreating heavy women and inappropriately touching attractive women while under sedation. Sexual harassment.

Edge explained that Karpen was able to evade detection by having his workers hide sanitation logs and other incriminating documentation from inspectors on the occasions they would come by the clinic.

“Karpen might have a little newer equipment and a little cleaner clinic, but his shoddy practices certainly mirror those of convicted murderer Kermit Gosnell. Certainly if anyone deserved Board discipline, it was this guy,” said Sullenger.

Excel Spreadsheets

Another piece of evidence was an Excel file that contained four months of abortion billing information for 2011. That file was given to Operation Rescue by an anonymous informant. The abortions listed all indicated that several abortion funds, including the National Abortion Federation Fund, the Hershey Fund, the Lilith Fund, and others had been billed for part of the abortion fee. The allegation made by the informant was that Karpen was bilking the funds out of money by over-billing them. While that allegation could not be substantiated by Operation Rescue, the list was revealing as to the price of the late-term abortions that the women all said were done beyond the legal limit and the amount of cash taken in to the clinic.

March, 2011, listed 33 abortions that were partially paid for with abortion funds or other sources. Over $38,000 in cash was paid by patients. The file showed 5 abortions that cost under $1,000, 7 abortions that were between $1,000-2,000, 12 abortions that cost between $2,000-$3,000, and 3 abortions that were over $3,000.

The greater the gestational age, the higher the abortion fee. How old were the two babies whose abortions cost $3,700? The file didn’t say, but the high figure seemed to confirm the allegations that abortions were being done very late — much later than 24 weeks.

Working together

Due to legal issues raised by the former clinic workers, Operation Rescue contacted attorneys at Alliance Defending Freedom, which handled many of the women’s legal concerns. Once the women quit their jobs, finances became an issue. Newman contacted Abby Johnson, whose new organization And Then There Were None, which offers support to former abortion clinic workers. She agreed to help the women with some financial assistance.

Amended complaint

The additional information gathered from Edge and the other women was quickly added to the original Texas Medical Board complaint filed earlier. Sullenger discussed the new information with TMB Inspector, Leslie Coe, who seemed to be conducting an investigation. As the other Karpen employees came forward with similar stories, their affidavits were submitted to Coe along with the video of violations taken inside the clinic and the photos of the huge babies Karpen had aborted.

Everything seemed to be progressing through the investigative process. The women were interviewed and Sullenger spoke on and off with Coe, who seemed cooperative and willing to take more information as it came in.

Settlement conference hearings were scheduled and hopes rose, but the hearings were repeatedly delayed and reset over the course of months until finally they were simply were not rescheduled.

“I thought that the additional information had sent the case back to the investigative phase and that the Board just needed more time to process everything. Medical Boards take a very long time to work through things. After being involved in numerous Board actions against abortionists, the delays seemed normal,” said Sullenger. “But apparently they weren’t.”

Mysterious dismissal

But then something changed.

“It was like someone turned the spigot off. Ms. Coe stopped returning my calls and did not acknowledge my e-mails. I could not account for the change in attitude,” said Sullenger. “Then I got the letter dismissing the case and was completely stunned by it.”

The letter, dated February 8, 2013, stated:

The investigation referenced above has been dismissed because the Board determined there was insufficient evidence to prove that a violation of the Medical Practices Act occurred. Specifically, this investigation determined that Dr. Karpen did not violate the laws connected with the practice of medicine and there is no evidence of inappropriate behavior, therefore no further action will be taken.

“I couldn’t believe what I was reading,” said Sullenger. “How could anyone look at those pictures of the two babies and still say ‘there is no evidence of inappropriate behavior’? No one even bothered to sign the letter.”

Going public

With the TMB out of the picture, Sullenger sought an opportunity to get the women’s stories recorded and evidence released to the public, an effort that required her to negotiate unexpected delays.

Then, while Sullenger was in Philadelphia reporting on the Kermit Gosnell murder trial, Mark Crutcher of the Texas-based Life Dynamics, Inc., a close associate of Operation Rescue’s, was able to make arrangements to get the interviews recorded.

The Gosnell trial and his convictions on 3 counts of first degree murder for severing the spinal cords of babies born alive during abortions at his filthy West Philadelphia abortion clinic has focused the national abortion debate onto the question of whether Gosnell’s behavior was an anomaly. Often in the courtroom conversation amongst reporters, many with very liberal world views, would shift to questions about whether others like Gosnell were out there breaking the law and subjecting women – and their viable babies that the law was supposed to protect – to unspeakable atrocities.

“Douglas Karpen is so like Kermit Gosnell that it is uncanny, from the illegal late-term abortions, to killing babies born alive, to even the sewers clogged with fetal remains,” said Sullenger. “But the most disturbing thing is that we know there are others out there who are maybe even worse than Gosnell and Karpen, who just have not been caught yet. How many? There’s just no way to tell, but that thought should give everyone pause to think. Can we really afford to allow abortion clinics to run amok without accountability? When we do, we get places like Gosnell’s ‘House of Horrors” and Karpen’s apparently illicit operation. The ones that pay the price for the lack of enforcement and oversight are those who can’t defend themselves from exploitation by men like them.”

Enforcement elusive

While states continue to enact pro-life laws that are designed to provide greater oversight and accountability to an out-of-control abortion industry, the matter of enforcement still remains the biggest challenge to bringing abortionists like Gosnell and Karpen to justice.

For years, Gosnell evaded accountability, shielded by a political atmosphere that ignored complaints and refused to inspect clinics out of fear of limiting access to abortions. That political climate was one in which Gosnell thrived. Karpen appears to enjoy the benefits of a similar political climate in Texas, which has inexplicably chosen to ignore a total of four former employees and the images of the babies Karpen dispatched in a similar manner that earned Gosnell two life sentences in prison.

Operation Rescue has finally made public Karpen’s identity in order to attempt bypass the stonewalling of the TMB and bring him to justice.

“We are asking all those who were appalled by the details of Gosnell’s behavior that have come out throughout the trial to take action to bring Karpen to justice in a court of law,” said Newman. “We know that it is possible to prosecute him because of the outcome of the Gosnell trial. We just need prosecutors like those in Philadelphia who are willing and courageous enough to enforce the law.”

Please take the time to contact the authorities below and ask for a full-scale investigation into Douglas Karpen’s abortion business.

Mike Anderson, District Attorney Harris County, Texas

1201 Franklin Street, Suite 600, Houston, Texas 77002-1923

Voice: (713)-755-5800

E-Mail: Armand_Stephanie@dao.hctx.net

Greg Abbott, Attorney General of Texas

Office of the Attorney General

PO Box 12548

Austin, TX 78711-2548

Voice: (512) 463-2050

E-Mail: robert.allen@texasattorneygeneral.gov

Texas Medical Board

333 Guadalupe

Tower 3, Suite 610

Austin, TX 78701

Voice: (512) 305-7010

E-Mail: verifcic@tmb.state.tx.us

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortiondepravity; livebirthmurders; prolife; texas

1 posted on 05/15/2013 8:28:28 AM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

My wife and I would have happily given either or both of those children a loving home. Those pictures were beyond disgusting.


2 posted on 05/15/2013 8:31:47 AM PDT by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: Morgana

If anyone has Democrat governmental officials, let them know that this criminal behavior is on their heads.


3 posted on 05/15/2013 8:32:28 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: Morgana

America the Bloody-Ful! Disgusting! May God somehow forgive us!


4 posted on 05/15/2013 8:33:08 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: Morgana

I just can’t understand someone that says, “I didn’t know it was illegal”. So, if they suddenly made legal the murder of anyone that inconvienced you no matter who they are or how old they are, then it would be ok? No humanity, just follow State laws.


5 posted on 05/15/2013 8:35:45 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Morgana

Those pictures are not for the weak. I am at a loss for words, and after a few more moments of extreme sadness I am going to become very angry.


6 posted on 05/15/2013 8:36:34 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: txnativegop; onyx

I have learned with Gosnell that the rabbit hole does not have a bottom. These people do not surprise me any more.

Gosnell snipped their spines. This sick f*** just twisted their heads.

I only wonder if the state of Texas will go after him. It would surprise me if they did not.


7 posted on 05/15/2013 8:36:57 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: FReepers
Abortion Is Murder
And God Is Watching


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8 posted on 05/15/2013 8:37:53 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Morgana; All

Morgana deserves tons of credit here on FR with her passionate posted threads on this horrific topic of bloody, murderous abortions here in the USA. Education and information the Left Scheme Media and sycophants sweep under the rug. Keep on bringing this horror to light and exposure Morgana.


9 posted on 05/15/2013 8:38:43 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Morgana

That is just unbelievable.


10 posted on 05/15/2013 8:40:56 AM PDT by Fawn (In a World of Information, Ignorance is a Choice.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

I can’t do it. The pictures from the Gosnell trial gave me nightmares for days. My sister was stillborn, and my mother has been crying over all of this stuff in the news lately. She said last night, “You know when the baby dies inside you. You feel it. To have a living child ripped from inside you must be horrific.”


11 posted on 05/15/2013 8:41:39 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Morgana

Beyond disturbing. The only Grace is now these babies are back with Him.

There is a special place in His heart for these young ones.


12 posted on 05/15/2013 8:43:06 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: tflabo; Morgana

Amen to that! Thanks Morgana!! =)


13 posted on 05/15/2013 8:44:14 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: rarestia

Abortionist are the spawn of Satan. How can one not be affected? I have lost all ability to focus at work.

The devil has done a great job in convincing some of the population he doesn’t exist.


14 posted on 05/15/2013 8:45:17 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative

Anybody that has ever voted Democrat since aprox 1970, has blood on their hands. Case Closed period, the fat lady has sung, end of story

Same can be said of Moderate Republicans


15 posted on 05/15/2013 8:45:41 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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To: Morgana

I tell you if God does not step in soon, I plead that he will. This is not even humane. We are lost. 20 to 24 weeks. Come on. There needs to be better legislation to turn that 24 weeks further back. How can any human being go to a place to walk in to allow a insane so called doctor to murder a child... then the mom goes home like nothing took place in a few days. Sorry men and women out there, I’d say too. One night stand then kill the baby. Freaking wake up loser people. Sick of this crap. Murder by convenience 20 weeks.


16 posted on 05/15/2013 8:45:49 AM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: Fawn

I think you’d be hard pressed to find a late-term abortion “doctor” that DIDN’T kill born alive infants,

or at least just let them die from lack of care.


17 posted on 05/15/2013 8:46:16 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Morgana
"But I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child - a direct killing of the innocent child - murder by the mother herself. And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another? How do we persuade a woman not to have an abortion? As always, we must persuade her with love, and we remind ourselves that love means to be willing to give until it hurts. Jesus gave even his life to love us. So the mother who is thinking of abortion, should be helped to love - that is, to give until it hurts her plans, or her free time, to respect the life of her child. The father of that child, whoever he is, must also give until it hurts. By abortion, the mother does not learn to love, but kills even her own child to solve her problems. And by abortion, the father is told that he does not have to take any responsibility at all for the child he has brought into the world. That father is likely to put other women into the same trouble. So abortion just leads to more abortion. Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching the people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want. That is why the greatest destroyer of love and peace is abortion."

Mother Teresa

18 posted on 05/15/2013 8:48:08 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Pictures say it all. Like slaughtered animals. But these are human beings...


19 posted on 05/15/2013 8:48:53 AM PDT by Dansong
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To: Morgana
Aaron Women’s Clinic in Houston

I don't know if that abortionist is the same one as Aaron's in Dallas, but we did some research at the Dallas County Courthouse about the Dallas Aaron's and he cleverly listed his abortion practice as a church, so he didn't have to pay taxes.

Now if the IRS really wanted to get some more money wouldn't it be a good idea to go after abortionists for tax fraud?

No abortionist is going to tell people what they really make. That is why they like the gals to pay cash.

Then they pay their staff in cash without paying for their Social Security or Tax Witholding.

They are stiffing the government out of blood money that rightfully belongs to the IRS.
/s

The Aaron's in Dallas abortionist used to drive around in an antique Bentley.

20 posted on 05/15/2013 8:54:46 AM PDT by Slyfox (The red face of shame is proof that the conscience is still operational.)
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To: Dansong

More than half of American voters see this as absolutely necessary, as long as a pregnant woman considering abortion is not shown an ultrasound of her growing prenatal baby.

They just don’t want to know how it’s done.

I figure, since it was ok to make German citizens view the death camps near the end of Roosevelt’s Wars, then these pictures should be displayed on abortion doctors’ office walls like veterinarians display photos of animals with mange, etc.


21 posted on 05/15/2013 9:09:20 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Morgana

Standard operating procedure.


22 posted on 05/15/2013 9:30:53 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: NoGrayZone; tflabo; All

YOU ARE WELCOME!!

AND PLEASE EVERYONE CONTACT THESE NUMBERS AND MAKE SURE THIS MAN IS BROUGHT TO JUSTICE!!
Or else all I do here is for nought.

Mike Anderson, District Attorney Harris County, Texas

1201 Franklin Street, Suite 600, Houston, Texas 77002-1923

Voice: (713)-755-5800

E-Mail: Armand_Stephanie@dao.hctx.net

Greg Abbott, Attorney General of Texas

Office of the Attorney General

PO Box 12548

Austin, TX 78711-2548

Voice: (512) 463-2050

E-Mail: robert.allen@texasattorneygeneral.gov

Texas Medical Board

333 Guadalupe

Tower 3, Suite 610

Austin, TX 78701

Voice: (512) 305-7010

E-Mail: verifcic@tmb.state.tx.us


23 posted on 05/15/2013 9:33:02 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

I endeavored not to look, but curiosity got the best of me and now I wish it hadn’t. I’ll be completely non-functional for the rest of the day thanks to those photos.

It’s not that I didn’t need to see them. I believe they are the same sort of sign from God that were the charred bodies of American servicemen hanging from that bridge in Iraq over 10 years ago. They show the malice, the utter contempt, for life and for God that evil people have in this world.

What kind of person, what sort of monster, does one have to be to hold a living, breathing human in their hands and find it necessary if not critical to kill that living thing?

This is beyond disgusting, beyond reprehensible. This is the work of a murderer. This is no different than the feral blacks who tortured, raped and murdered that white couple in Pennsylvania(?) a few years ago.

I know men who have served on the front lines of battle, men who have killed and seen friends killed, and I know from their personal stories that what they saw on the battlefield doesn’t compare to this. These living people, these children, not even given the chance to live in this world, couldn’t fight back.

This disgusting murderer should convicted and forced to endure a slow turning of his own neck until it snaps.

*spit* Feh


24 posted on 05/15/2013 9:45:15 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Morgana

Eric Bolling on The Five wondered if there were any other Goslins. I hope someone will forward this info to him.

“A nation that kills its own children is a nation without hope.”John Paul II


25 posted on 05/15/2013 10:06:13 AM PDT by victim soul
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To: victim soul
“A nation that kills its own children is a nation without hope.”John Paul II
Yet there are those in that same hopeless nation that can pray abortion away. From Mother Teresa of Calcutta:
If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended.
Stop by a chapel today! http://www.acfp2000.com/Chapels/worldmap.htm
26 posted on 05/15/2013 11:31:25 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Morgana
what the hell... is this some sort of evil competition ???
27 posted on 05/15/2013 4:14:56 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Morgana

Thanks for the contact info...will do.


28 posted on 05/15/2013 4:15:55 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Morgana
Dr. Armand Stephanie, another Dr. Joesph Mengele.
29 posted on 05/15/2013 5:32:37 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Chode
is this some sort of evil competition ???

"Everything you see...can be yours."


30 posted on 05/15/2013 6:29:03 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Morgana

Thanks for carrying the pail of water.


31 posted on 05/15/2013 6:32:27 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: UCANSEE2
100%
32 posted on 05/15/2013 6:36:36 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: rarestia
To have a living child ripped from inside you must be horrific.”

As a man, I can never have the personal experience, but I can suggest how a man could begin to understand.

Imagine Shaq O'Neill pulling this

out of your

>{? using these


33 posted on 05/15/2013 6:48:57 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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