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How an Australian hospital is bringing clinically dead people back to life
The Week ^ | May 14, 2013 | Lauren Hansen

Posted on 05/15/2013 9:43:30 AM PDT by neverdem

Resurrection may no longer be the stuff of myth

Doctors at The Alfred Hospital in Melbourne have a knack for resurrection. Thanks to a combination of two resuscitation techniques, the Australian team has successfully revived three patients who were officially dead for between 40 and 60 minutes.

One of those patients was 39-year-old Colin Fielder, who suffered a heart attack last year. While being whisked away in the ambulance, he was asked which of the two nearby hospitals he preferred. "For some reason, I said The Alfred, which is pretty lucky because they are the only one that has it," Fielder said.

"It" is the AutoPulse, a portable CPR machine that performs constant chest compressions that essentially keep the heart beating. What makes the AutoPulse unique is that instead of pistons pressing and lifting only one part of the sternum, the AutoPulse uses a band that wraps around and squeezes the entire chest. (See a video of the machine in action below.) As a result, "victims receive more consistent, high-quality compressions… which means improved blood flow," according to the manufacturer's website.

In addition to the AutoPulse, The Alfred doctors also used a technique on Fielder called extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO) — it's essentially an artificial lung outside the body that keeps oxygen and blood flowing to the patient's brain and vital organs. ECMOs have been used in the past for lung transplant recipients as well as extremely ill newborns. But it is this combination of ECMOs and the AutoPulse, currently in clinical trials at The Alfred, that has proved successful in reviving the dead.

The combination of the ECMO and AutoPulse help to keep the body "living" while also giving doctors time to diagnose the heart attack source and treat it. More time and care means an increased chance of...

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TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: acls; clinicallydead; cpr; cprmachine; ecmo
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This is problematic. For young trauma patients, it looks like a no brainer, but for older medical patients, how old is too old? Who plays God?
1 posted on 05/15/2013 9:43:30 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Hat tip!


2 posted on 05/15/2013 9:45:18 AM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: neverdem

The catch is that, once revived, they develop an overpowering hunger for living flesh.

Looks like it’s started.....


3 posted on 05/15/2013 9:45:20 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: neverdem
Who plays God?

Ummm.... your friendly local IPAB (Independent Payment Advisory Board)?

4 posted on 05/15/2013 9:46:22 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: neverdem

What happens if they end up being able to do it to someone that’s been dead for a couple days?


5 posted on 05/15/2013 9:47:39 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: neverdem
Who plays God?

With the IRS being involved in Obamacare, I think they will deny that they will be merely "playing".

6 posted on 05/15/2013 9:48:25 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: neverdem
Miracle Max!


7 posted on 05/15/2013 9:49:04 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: neverdem

8 posted on 05/15/2013 9:49:15 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: neverdem

Don’t we, in effect, “play God” every time we treat a patient medically? God is capable of calling home His own when their time is up.


9 posted on 05/15/2013 9:51:01 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: neverdem

It would be interesting to know the real effects on the brain.


10 posted on 05/15/2013 9:52:08 AM PDT by aimhigh (Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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To: neverdem

They’re only mostly dead.


11 posted on 05/15/2013 9:52:35 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: IronJack

or execute people, or have wars?


12 posted on 05/15/2013 9:52:47 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: neverdem
Who plays God.

In the Brave New Obamaworld, that would be the IRS.

13 posted on 05/15/2013 9:52:48 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: stuartcr

This technique is great because it keeps oxygen and blood flowing to prevent organ damage, especially brain damage until the person can be “fixed.” :) It’s not going to work on anyone who’s been dead for more than a few minutes before started.


14 posted on 05/15/2013 9:53:39 AM PDT by GSD Lover
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To: neverdem

If they are revived, they were not dead

If clinical death is not “death” then will they stop organ harvesting and stop death by dehydration of coma victims and locked in victims and twilight consciousness people because they think their brains are “clinically dead”

or call it euthanasia?


15 posted on 05/15/2013 9:53:42 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: C210N

Health insurance companies will love this.

“Sorry, you’re coverage expired when you did. All of the costs for bringing you back are on you”.


16 posted on 05/15/2013 9:53:50 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: neverdem

Notice: Don’t use on any Democrat.


17 posted on 05/15/2013 9:54:09 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Lurker

or just pining for the fjords


18 posted on 05/15/2013 9:54:21 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: neverdem

When does the soul leave the body? If they resuscitate, does the soul return? If the body has no soul does it get elected President?


19 posted on 05/15/2013 9:54:44 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (The number one enemy of liberalism is reality.)
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To: neverdem

I didn’t have the heart compression mentioned here, but I got the extra oxygen and then ECV — Electrocardioversion — to stop my heart — then get it going again at a regular beat rather than the 100-140 resting heart beat that I had been experiencing due to a-fib.


20 posted on 05/15/2013 10:00:11 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: stuartcr

I suppose you could see it that way. But I assumed the “playing God” trope was directed at those who would PROLONG life, not those who would cut it short.


21 posted on 05/15/2013 10:00:51 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: stuartcr
What happens if they end up being able to do it to someone that’s been dead for a couple days?

Well, then you got another democrat.

22 posted on 05/15/2013 10:03:24 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: neverdem

No worries, Obamacare and the FDA won’t allow such a contraption in the U.S.

You have a duty to die...


23 posted on 05/15/2013 10:05:09 AM PDT by G Larry (Darkness Hates the Light)
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To: Wolfie
“Sorry, you’re coverage expired when you did. All of the costs for bringing you back are on you”.

He can then pay it out of the life insurance policy he collects on.

24 posted on 05/15/2013 10:05:20 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: neverdem

God “plays God”.

It’s the Doc’s job to provide the best care possible.


25 posted on 05/15/2013 10:06:14 AM PDT by G Larry (Darkness Hates the Light)
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To: neverdem

“how old is too old? Who plays God?”

Obama! and his team on the death panel. It is first and formost Political then it is economics.

So old rich democrats get whatever they need. Conservative white males will get nothing more than an aspirin.


26 posted on 05/15/2013 10:07:02 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: stuartcr
"What happens if they end up being able to do it to someone that’s been dead for a couple days?"

Well, you asked:


27 posted on 05/15/2013 10:10:57 AM PDT by freedomlover
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To: COBOL2Java

Miracle Max: Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There’s a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there’s usually only one thing you can do.

Inigo Montoya: What’s that?

Miracle Max: Go through his clothes and look for loose change.


28 posted on 05/15/2013 10:13:03 AM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

Silly you.

“Sorry, Mr. Smith, you’re alive...you can’t collect on that life insurance policy. Come back when you’re actually dead.”


29 posted on 05/15/2013 10:13:42 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: IronJack

Well, He is the begining and the end


30 posted on 05/15/2013 10:13:50 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: neverdem
WOW! We know polio stricken patients lived for years with iron lungs. Consider Stephen Hawking.

We do best when we do what we can and improve as we go. MOO!

31 posted on 05/15/2013 10:13:58 AM PDT by geologist ("If you love me, keep my commands" .... John 14 :15)
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To: neverdem; All

Hold on everybody, much ado about nothing. This is clearly a hoax, as we all know countries with universal healthcare don’t innovate anything.


32 posted on 05/15/2013 10:15:52 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: neverdem

It won’t work on Obamacare.......


33 posted on 05/15/2013 10:17:11 AM PDT by Average Al
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To: Jack Hammer

Or voting liberal.


34 posted on 05/15/2013 10:21:44 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Wolfie

Actually, this device wasn’t the innovation of any country’s universal healthcare system. It is the invention of a subsidiary of Asahi Kasei, a large for profit company traded on the Tokyo Stock Exchange.


35 posted on 05/15/2013 10:30:50 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: neverdem

The DNC has been doing this every election cycle.


36 posted on 05/15/2013 10:39:29 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: aimhigh

Yes, how many brain damaged people and will Obama pay to care for them!


37 posted on 05/15/2013 10:55:03 AM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: neverdem

0bama will check your IRS records and political affiliations before approving this potentially life-saving treatment.

Don’t worry. Tea Partiers can be assured of the same fairness as they are getting from the IRS.


38 posted on 05/15/2013 11:04:06 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (WHO IS ON THE ENEMIES LIST?)
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To: neverdem

Death is irreversible. If someone is revived, they were NOT DEAD!


39 posted on 05/15/2013 11:09:44 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: neverdem

You ask “How old is too old?”

Well, considering the broken ribs I’ve heard crack on the elderly during normal compressions, I can’t imagine what this machine that squeezes all around the chest will do.

shudder


40 posted on 05/15/2013 11:19:35 AM PDT by GSD Lover
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To: I want the USA back

What about miracles?


41 posted on 05/15/2013 11:25:06 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: neverdem

bkmk


42 posted on 05/15/2013 11:52:27 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: C210N; neverdem; KarlInOhio; RoosterRedux
Now before you up and move to Australia, similar techniques have been used in the U.S in equally limited trials. Dr. Sam Parnia, head of intensive care at Stony Brook University Hospital in New York, has dedicated his career to bringing ill people back from the dead. His research has taught him that successful resuscitation comes by way of mechanical CPR combined with ECMO treatment. Parnia says these methods are not only straightforward and relatively cheap, but also could save up to an estimated 40,000 American lives per year.

Now under Obama Care I imagine that there would be considerably few than 40,000 Americans saved by this technique.

Under Obama Care when they wheel you in to the Emergency Room at the hospital the first thing that will happen is that your SS number will be entered in to the AHCA computer data base which will use an algorithm that take in to account your age, healthcare use to date and your current productivity to determine your over all worth to society and from that worth determine your available course of treatment.

Now if you are an 87 year old retired janitor with diabetes and high blood pressure I am afraid that you are SOL. They are going to slap a DNR tag on your chest and call your next of kin to claim your corpse.

43 posted on 05/15/2013 12:00:03 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac
Under Obama Care when they wheel you in to the Emergency Room at the hospital the first thing that will happen is that your SS number will be entered in to the AHCA computer data base which will use an algorithm that take in to account your age, healthcare use to date and your current productivity to determine your over all worth to society and from that worth determine your available course of treatment.

Actually, the first thing they will do is determine if you are one of them (Liberal) or one of us (conservative, Christian, Jewish, Patriot).

If you are one of us, you are SOL at any age.

44 posted on 05/15/2013 12:29:14 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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45 posted on 05/15/2013 5:30:52 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: neverdem
"Who plays God? "

The Government, of course. After all, they're "here to help you".

46 posted on 05/15/2013 7:30:24 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: silverleaf

They’re not dead. They’re not dead. They’re not. They’re getting better. They don’t want to go on the cart. They feel fine. They think they’ll go for a walk. They feel happy. They feel happy.


47 posted on 05/15/2013 8:43:52 PM PDT by DigitalVideoDude (It's amazing what you can accomplish when you don't care who gets the credit. -Ronald Reagan)
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To: G Larry

Excellent.


48 posted on 05/16/2013 5:05:57 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Mr. Lucky; Wolfie

The pseudononymous irony of it all. Well done, Mr. Lucky.


49 posted on 05/16/2013 5:07:11 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Pontiac

Dr. Parnia is the one I’ve heard of. His method is good for more than 60 minutes, IIRC.


50 posted on 05/16/2013 5:08:51 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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