Skip to comments.Congressman on IRS Scandal: Koch Bros. 'Abused the System'
Posted on 05/15/2013 10:23:14 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot
(snip) Speaker of the House John Boehner (R OH) stated at the weekly GOP leaders press conference that Americans needed accountability from their government.
However, some Democrats are doubling down on the issue. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D NV) told reporters on Tuesday that some conservative organizations, like Karl Roves Crossroads GPS, deserve to be scrutinized.
Congressman Alan Grayson (D FL) told Breitbart News he thinks the Koch brothers have abused the system by setting up 501c3s that are doing political activity, arguing, It doesnt make any sense to look for something on the other side, because its not there, he said, adding, You just cant find something thats similar to what the Koch brothers and other right-wingers have done, so in that sense, its not shocking to me that the IRS did what it did. You have to look for things where they are to be found.
Sheila Jackson lee (D - TX) told Breitbart News, "I think we dont get anywhere in focusing in on what I call worker bees who thought they might be doing the right thing overwhelmed with interpreting Citizens United. .....
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Speaking of Whorehouse Harry, I am confused.
He is obviously not male.
And he is obviously not female.
Wazzup with this queer piece of excrement?
(No offense to gays...they are gay...but Whorehouse Harry is just plain queer.)
[Teaching the Constitution] == [Political Activity]
[Advocating Open Borders] != [Political Activity]
Huge difference between enforcing laws on existing non-profit violations than stopping new ones from forming because its assumed they will break laws because they are conservatives.
where is the GOP calling out all the soros funded operations?? are these people stupid?? media matter receives tax exempt status!!!!
You could have predicted this would happen. The Democrats are going to go out there crying, “The Republicans did it too” loud enough and long enough so that they can hopefully muddy the water and get the majority of people so disgusted with both sides that they just throw their hands up and tune it out.
The left feels that their agenda is what is. Anything that isn’t furthering their agenda is illegitimate and thus, illegal. Citizens United was counter to their agenda, hence any and every action to obviate that decision is justified.
The logical conclusion is chilling. We live under a soft tyranny that is getting more hardcore everyday. No wonder they want to disarm us.
Alan Grayson obviously does not know who Soros is. (Idiot commie!)
Anything that spews out of the sewer traps of Grayson and Jackson Lee should be promptly ignored.
How about John Podesta’s Center for American Progress and its band of commies who helped Hussein get into the White House??
We shouldn’t be surprised, this is what Crime Families do. They go to the mattresses and start wacking their rivals. There is no need to pretend that they are acting in the public’s best interests - they are flexing their power and they want everyone to see them doing it. That’s how intimidation works.
I am so angry I am breathing fire right now. Are we close to the tipping point (citizen uprising) yet? Pitchforks need sharpening. (Why should I care, I am sure I'm already on the Big Sis' list.)
Koch brothers have abused the system by setting up 501c3s that are doing political activity,
And Soros Spent FAR more money than the Koch Bros.
And how is that any different than what has been done by Soros, Planned Parenthood, labor unions, etc.
I think an excellent case can be made that a lot of existing 501c3s are political in nature, and that the laws against their doing political work while retaining tax-exempt status should be better enforced.
A whole bunch of non-profits, notably ACLU, Planned Parenthood, AARP, Media Matters and Move-On are very obviously political in nature.
I don’t know how such a distinction can be drawn with exactitude, but it shouldn’t of course be drawn by the ideology being promoted.
Hence the use of such language is purely for politics and for raising their own money.
the other side...? soros and his multiple groups? citizens united? nothing there?!?
Rule #1: Claim that Republicans did it too even though they didn't. The low information voters wont know anyway.
Rule #2: pass more laws. Don't care what laws. Just pass more laws so that people think you are doing something about it.
Rule #3: hope that low information voters won't be interested in the scandal and it fade away in a couple of weeks.
He's a wacko extremest, but not nearly as stupid as many.
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Grayson: you're a jackass.
As I understand it, there are two different types of organizations being talked about: 501(C)(3) organizations and 501(C)(4) organizations.
The 501(C)(3) types are not allowed to engage in partisan political activities while the 501(C)(4) can do so, as long as such political activity is not the organization’s primary mission. My understanding is that the IRS scandal involves the 501(C)(4) types.
Is my understanding correct or have I misunderstood something here (entirely possible)?
This is like arresting someone in a movie theater BEFORE he yells FIRE because we think he might.
The groups apply for special tax-exempt status, and obviously have to meet certain criteria to deserve that status.
It is entirely appropriate to have reasonable investigation done before granting this status.
Of course, targeting applicants by ideology is not “reasonable.”
Grayson is one of the biggest A-holes the dems have.
I’m not sure if they went after 3’s or 4’s. I assumed they targeted both. There may be more 4’s than 3’s because in general its hardest to get a 3 approved.
The benefit of a 3 is to receive tax deductions on contributions.
The benefit of a 4 is to avoid any income tax on revenues. Most similar 4 organizations probably would do just fine without a tax exemption because they are not making money.
As far as political organizations go, the most common way for a 3 to get around political issues is to hide behind the education bush. For example, they claim their purpose is to educate people on climate change, women’s rights, discrimination etc.
The tax issue for the IRS for 3’s is that because political contributions are not tax deductible, is to stop people from getting a tax deduction by using a charity as a front.
I’m not sure about all the reasons someone wants recognition as a 4 because there is in general no tax benefit unless they accumulate income. I assume the main reason is it provides a vehicle to keep donors anonymous and provides more of an official stamp.
It is possible for a nonprofit to get chartered by a state and not seek IRS approval. If I were to start a Tea Party group, I would attempt to avoid the IRS at all costs just on principle.
It’s the Koch brother’s fault, sez scumbag Alan Grayson. Thanks again, Florida.
Yep. Liberals never give up. They got donors names, they tried to silence the Tea Party activists and they tried to stop the funding if those Conservative groups. All in time for the 2012 elections
Standard political damage control tactics.
Assign blame elsewhere.
Launch counter allegations.
I agree. I have done several applications and would be totally surprised if there were no questions after applying. I have never processed a tax exemption without responding to additional questions no matter how complete the submission. The nature of the questions are usually structured in a way to get the non-profit accountable at the outset by clarifying the intended mission. In fact, when I first heard about this issue months ago I assumed the complainers were objecting to the normal process that all non-profits go through. Most people think the normal questions are overreach.
However, after hearing some of the requests currently published I cannot see a reasonable reason for them. There is a huge difference between asking the organizers "what will you teach?" than "what have you taught?". The first holds the organization accountable for its future actions. The second is not relevant and attempts to hold them accountable for their past actions.
This bears repeating...and should be picked up by our independent media. It shows how the left treats Fox News, talk radio, etc. It shows why a black or Hispanic or female conservative must be vilified and destroyed. All of the above work against their agenda and therefore are illegitimate. A black conservative isn't black, they are a conservative and abandoned their race. A female conservative is not treated with any respect because they are no longer considered a woman to be protected and respected once they speak out against liberalism.
Thanks, Flip, for offering this concise statement.
Thanks for the reply. Very helpful!
Quote: “Grayson is one of the biggest A-holes the dems have.”
Yet the Grand Old Stupid Party re-districted Florida in a way that ensured this asshat could be returned to congress while Allen West was dumped. Why!?! Because the GOP doesn’t want any of those whacky, racist Tea Party types in congress. The GOP-E actively seeks to sabotage the Tea Party. Hmmmm.