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Congressman on IRS Scandal: Koch Bros. 'Abused the System'
Breitbart - Big Government ^ | 5-15-2013 | Kerry Picket

Posted on 05/15/2013 10:23:14 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot

(snip) Speaker of the House John Boehner (R – OH) stated at the weekly GOP leaders press conference that Americans needed “accountability from their government.”

However, some Democrats are doubling down on the issue. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D – NV) told reporters on Tuesday that some conservative organizations, like Karl Rove’s Crossroads GPS, deserve to be scrutinized.

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Congressman Alan Grayson (D – FL) told Breitbart News he thinks the “Koch brothers have abused the system by setting up 501c3’s that are doing political activity,” arguing, “It doesn’t make any sense to look for something on the other side, because it’s not there,” he said, adding, “You just can’t find something that’s similar to what the Koch brothers and other right-wingers have done, so in that sense, it’s not shocking to me that the IRS did what it did. You have to look for things where they are to be found.”

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Sheila Jackson lee (D - TX) told Breitbart News, "I think we don’t get anywhere in focusing in on what I call worker bees who thought they might be doing the right thing overwhelmed with interpreting Citizen’s United. .....

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: specialprosecutor
Along the same with yesterday's meme from Pelosi and MSNBC host, fault is "Citizen's United".
1 posted on 05/15/2013 10:23:14 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot
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To: Sir Napsalot

Speaking of Whorehouse Harry, I am confused.

He is obviously not male.

And he is obviously not female.

Wazzup with this queer piece of excrement?

(No offense to gays...they are gay...but Whorehouse Harry is just plain queer.)


2 posted on 05/15/2013 10:27:06 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Sir Napsalot
by setting up 501c3’s that are doing political activity,

uhhh....that's exactly what the Citizens United ruling told them that they were ALLOWED TO DO!


3 posted on 05/15/2013 10:27:28 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Sir Napsalot

[Teaching the Constitution] == [Political Activity]

[Advocating Open Borders] != [Political Activity]


4 posted on 05/15/2013 10:27:47 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Huge difference between enforcing laws on existing non-profit violations than stopping new ones from forming because its assumed they will break laws because they are conservatives.


5 posted on 05/15/2013 10:27:48 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Sir Napsalot

where is the GOP calling out all the soros funded operations?? are these people stupid?? media matter receives tax exempt status!!!!


6 posted on 05/15/2013 10:29:12 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Da Coyote
"You're not a eunuch, are you?"
7 posted on 05/15/2013 10:29:55 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Sir Napsalot

You could have predicted this would happen. The Democrats are going to go out there crying, “The Republicans did it too” loud enough and long enough so that they can hopefully muddy the water and get the majority of people so disgusted with both sides that they just throw their hands up and tune it out.


8 posted on 05/15/2013 10:30:58 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Sir Napsalot

The left feels that their agenda is what is. Anything that isn’t furthering their agenda is illegitimate and thus, illegal. Citizens United was counter to their agenda, hence any and every action to obviate that decision is justified.

The logical conclusion is chilling. We live under a soft tyranny that is getting more hardcore everyday. No wonder they want to disarm us.


9 posted on 05/15/2013 10:32:08 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: Sir Napsalot

Alan Grayson obviously does not know who Soros is. (Idiot commie!)


10 posted on 05/15/2013 10:32:27 AM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Anything that spews out of the sewer traps of Grayson and Jackson Lee should be promptly ignored.


11 posted on 05/15/2013 10:36:23 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

How about John Podesta’s Center for American Progress and its band of commies who helped Hussein get into the White House??


12 posted on 05/15/2013 10:38:27 AM PDT by Stayfree (If it is left, then it can't be right!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

We shouldn’t be surprised, this is what Crime Families do. They go to the mattresses and start wacking their rivals. There is no need to pretend that they are acting in the public’s best interests - they are flexing their power and they want everyone to see them doing it. That’s how intimidation works.


13 posted on 05/15/2013 10:38:44 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: Sir Napsalot; All
I welcome the likes of Reid, Grayson and Sheila Jackson Lee to keep pouring fuel.

I am so angry I am breathing fire right now. Are we close to the tipping point (citizen uprising) yet? Pitchforks need sharpening. (Why should I care, I am sure I'm already on the Big Sis' list.)

14 posted on 05/15/2013 10:41:03 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

“Koch brothers have abused the system by setting up 501c3’s that are doing political activity,”

Soros......

And Soros Spent FAR more money than the Koch Bros.


15 posted on 05/15/2013 10:46:09 AM PDT by GraceG
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16 posted on 05/15/2013 10:46:58 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
uhhh....that's exactly what the Citizens United ruling told them that they were ALLOWED TO DO!

And how is that any different than what has been done by Soros, Planned Parenthood, labor unions, etc.

17 posted on 05/15/2013 10:47:02 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Sir Napsalot

I think an excellent case can be made that a lot of existing 501c3’s are political in nature, and that the laws against their doing political work while retaining tax-exempt status should be better enforced.

A whole bunch of non-profits, notably ACLU, Planned Parenthood, AARP, Media Matters and Move-On are very obviously political in nature.

I don’t know how such a distinction can be drawn with exactitude, but it shouldn’t of course be drawn by the ideology being promoted.


18 posted on 05/15/2013 10:50:52 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
I don't think Pelosi-Reid and the Left is truly interested in addressing what they perceived as wrong in Citizens United. They will definitely lose out big on the 501(c3)’s.

Hence the use of such language is purely for politics and for raising their own money.

19 posted on 05/15/2013 10:59:14 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: FlipWilson
We live under a soft tyranny that is getting more hardcore everyday. No wonder they want to disarm us.
Bingo! We have a winner. It's all tied together and their goal ...Can't happen here? That's what the commies are hoping for - 60 million uniformed voters - plus 30 million ignorant illegals with their hands out.
20 posted on 05/15/2013 11:00:11 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Sir Napsalot

the other side...? soros and his multiple groups? citizens united? nothing there?!?


21 posted on 05/15/2013 11:09:32 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Democrats play book:

Rule #1: Claim that Republicans did it too even though they didn't. The low information voters wont know anyway.

Rule #2: pass more laws. Don't care what laws. Just pass more laws so that people think you are doing something about it.

Rule #3: hope that low information voters won't be interested in the scandal and it fade away in a couple of weeks.

22 posted on 05/15/2013 11:16:21 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Sir Napsalot
Critter Fifty shades of Grayson?

He's a wacko extremest, but not nearly as stupid as many.

23 posted on 05/15/2013 11:17:02 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: GraceG
On one hand, we have the Koch Brothers, who support a handful of organizations with sums of money that George Soros often spends before lunch every day. On the other hand, we have:

    21st Century Democrats (21CD)
    AARP
    ActBlue (AB)
    Advancement Project (AP)
    Air America Radio (AAR)
    Alliance for Climate Protection (ACP)
    Alliance For Justice (AFJ)
    Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment (ACCE)
    Amal (AM)
    America Coming Together (ACT)
    America Votes (AV)
    American Association for Justice (AAJ)
    American Constitution Society for Law and Policy (ACSLP)
    American Family Voices (AFV)
    American Federation of Labor - Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO)
    American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees (AFSCME)
    American Federation of Teachers (AFT)
    American Immigration Council (AIC)
    American Institute for Social Justice (AISJ)
    American Muslim Alliance (AMA)
    American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC)
    Americans Against Escalation in Iraq (AAEI)
    Americans for Democratic Action (ADA)
    Americans United (for Separation of Church and State) (AU)
    Americans United For Change (AUFC)
    AmeriCorps
    Apollo Alliance (AA)
    Arab American Institute (AAI)
    Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN)
    Atlas Project (AP)
    Avaaz.org
    Backbone Campaign (BC)
    Birthright Unplugged (BU)
    Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI)
    Blue Green Alliance (BGA)
    Brennan Center for Justice (BCJ)
    Brookings Institution (BI)
    Campaign for America's Future (CAF)
    Campaign for Better Health Care (CBHC)
    Campaign to End Obesity (CEO)
    Campus Progress (CP)
    Carter Center (CC)
    Catalist (CT)
    Catholic Campaign for Human Development (CCHD)
    Catholic Democrats (CD)
    Catholic Health Association (CHA)
    Catholics For Obama (CFO)
    Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good (CACG)
    Center for American Progress (CAP)
    Center for Climate Strategies (CCS)
    Center for Community Change (CCC)
    Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR)
    Center for Independent Media (CIM)
    Center for Progressive Leadership (CPL)
    Center for Responsible Lending (CRL)
    Center for Study of Responsive Law (CSRL)
    Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP)
    Center on Wisconsin Strategy (COWS)
    Change America Now (CAN)
    Change to Win (CTW)
    Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX)
    Citizen Action (CA)
    Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW)
    Cloward-Piven Strategy (CPS)   
    Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles (CHIRLA)
    Color of Change (COC)
    Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism (CCDS)
    Common Cause (CC)
    Communist Party USA (CPUSA)
    Congressional Black Caucus (CBC)
    Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC)
    Copenhagen Climate Council (CCC)
    Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)
    Democracia USA (D-USA)
    Democracy 21 (D21)
    Democracy Alliance (DA)
    Democracy For America (DFA)
    Democracy Matters (DM)
    Democratic Grassroots Action Institute & Network (DGAIN)
    Democratic Party (DP)
    Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)
    Democratic Underground (DU)
    Drum Major Institute for Public Policy (DMI)
    Earth Action Network (EAN)
    Earth Day Network (EDN)
    Economic Policy Institute (EPI)
    EMERGE USA
    EMILY's List (EL)
    Energy Action Coalition (EAC)
    Environmental Working Group (EWG)
    European Union (EU)
    Fair Immigration Reform Movement (FIRM)
    Fair Vote (FV)
    Faith in Public Life (FPL)
    Families USA (F-USA)
    Fatah (al-Fatah) (AF)
    Feminist Majority Foundation (FMF)
    Free Gaza Movement (FGM)
    Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF)
    Freedom Socialist Party (FSP)
    General Investment Management (GIM)
    Gisha: Center for the Legal Protection of Freedom of Movement (GCLPFM)
    Global Centre for the Responsibility to Protect (GCRP)
    Green For All (GFA)
    Green Party of the United States (GPUSA)
    Green-Rainbow Party of Massachusetts (GRPM)
    Health Care for America Now (HCAN)
    Healthcare-NOW (H-NOW)
    Huffington Post (HP)
    Human Service Employees Registration and Voter Education Fund (Human SERVE)
    Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights (ICIRR)
    Immigration Policy Center (IPC)
    In Defense of Freedom (IDF)
    Independent Progressive Politics Network (IPPN)
    Industrial Areas Foundation (IAF)
    Institute for America`s Future (IAF)
    Institute for New Economic Thinking (INET)
    Institute for Policy Studies (IPS)
    International Coalition for the Responsibility to Protect (ICRP)
    International Criminal Court (ICC)
    International Crisis Group (ICG)
    Islamic Truth Group (ITG)
    Islamic Unity Movement (IUM)
    Jews For a Just Peace (JFJP)
    Justice At Stake (JAS)
    Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights (LCCHR)
    League of Conservation Voters (LCV)
    League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC)
    League of Women Voters (LWV)
    Leave My Child Alone (LMCA)
    Living Cities (LC)
    Media Fund (MF)
    Media Matters for America (MMFA)
    Mi Familia Vota Education Fund (MFVEF)
    Midwest Academy (MA)
    Movement for a Democratic Society (MDS)
    MoveOn (MO)
    Moving Ideas Network (MIN)
    Music For America (MFA)
    Muslim Brotherhood (MB)
    Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC)
    Muslim World League (MWL)
    NARAL Pro-Choice America (National Abortion Rights Action League) (NARAL)
    National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)
    National Association of Latino Elected & Appointed Officials Educational Fund

    National Coalition on Health Care (NCHC)
    National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy (NCRP)
    National Committee for Voting Integrity (NCVI)
    National Council of La Raza (NCLR)
    National Education Association (NEA)
    National Immigrant Solidarity Network (NISN)
    National Korean American Service and Education Consortium (NAKASEC)
    National Organization for Women (NOW)
    National Priorities Project (NPP)
    National Security Archive (NSA)
    National Women's Political Caucus (NWPC)
    Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC)
    Netroots
    Netroots Nation (NN)
    New America Foundation (NAF)
    New Democrat Network (NDN)
    New Organizing Institute (NOI)
    New Party (NP)
    New Policy Institute (NPI)
    New Politics Institute (NPI)
    New Progressive Coalition (NPC)
    Nicaragua Network (NN)
    Nobel Peace Prize (NPP)
    Organizing For America (OFA)
    Out of Iraq Congressional Caucus (OICC)
    Palestinian Authority (PA)
    Peace Action Network (PAN)
    Peace and Freedom Party (PFP)
    People for the American Way (PFAW)
    People Improving Communities Through Organizing (PICO)
    Physicians for a National Health Program (PNHP)
    Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA)
    Political Research Associates (PRA)
    Presidential Climate Action Project (PCAP)
    Priorities USA (P-USA)
    Priorities, Inc. (PI)
    Progressive America Rising (PAR)
    Progressive Change Campaign Committee (PCCC)   
    Progressive Democrats of America (PDA)
    Progressive Los Angeles Network (PLAN)
    Progressive Majority (PM)
    Progressive Policy Institute (PPI)
    Progressive States Network (PSN)
    Progressives For Obama (PFO)
    Project Vote (PV)
    Public Citizen (PC)
    PunkVoter.com (PV)
    Rebuild and Renew America Now (aka Unity `09) (RRAN)
    Rebuilding Alliance (RA)
    Reform Immigration for America (RI4A)
    Res Publica (RP)
    Respect — The Unity Coalition (R-TUC)
    Rock the Vote (RTV)
    Scientists and Engineers for Change (SEC)
    Scientists for Global Responsibility (SGR)
    Secretary of State Project (SOSP)
    September 11th Advocates (9/11 A)
    Service Employees International Union (SEIU)
    Shadow Party (SP)
    Sierra Club (SC)
    Techrocks (TR)
    The Organizing Group (TOG)
    Think Progress (TP)
    Thunder Road Group (TRG)
    TrueMajority (TM)
    U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation (USCEIO)
    U.S. Civil Rights Commission (USCRC)
    U.S. Climate Action Network (USCAN)
    U.S. Public Interest Research Group (USPIRG)
    UNITE HERE! (UH)
    Universal Health Care Action Network (UHCAN)
    University of California Divestment Campaign (UCDC)
    Urban Institute (UI)
    USAction (USA)
    Vote For Change (VFC)
    Voter Participation Center (VPC)
    Voters For Peace (VFP)
    We Are America Alliance (WAAA)
    We Believe Together - Health Care for All (WBT)
    WikiLeaks (WL)
    Wilderness Society (WS)
    Women's Action for New Directions (WAND)
    Women's Policy, Inc. (WPI)
    Workers World Party (WWP)
    Working America (WA)
    Working Assets (WA)
    Working Families Party (WFP)
    Working For Us (WFU)
    World Council of Churches (WCC)
    World Festival of Youth and Students (WFYS)
    World Resources Institute (WRI)
    Young Communist League (YCL)

Any questions?

Grayson: you're a jackass.

24 posted on 05/15/2013 11:29:05 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

As I understand it, there are two different types of organizations being talked about: 501(C)(3) organizations and 501(C)(4) organizations.

The 501(C)(3) types are not allowed to engage in partisan political activities while the 501(C)(4) can do so, as long as such political activity is not the organization’s primary mission. My understanding is that the IRS scandal involves the 501(C)(4) types.

Is my understanding correct or have I misunderstood something here (entirely possible)?


25 posted on 05/15/2013 11:30:30 AM PDT by Let_It_Be_So (Once you see the Truth, you cannot "unsee" it, no matter how hard you may try.)
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To: Sherman Logan
I think an excellent case can be made that a lot of existing 501c3’s are political in nature, and that the laws against their doing political work while retaining tax-exempt status should be better enforced.

This is like arresting someone in a movie theater BEFORE he yells FIRE because we think he might.

26 posted on 05/15/2013 11:50:17 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

Well, no.

The groups apply for special tax-exempt status, and obviously have to meet certain criteria to deserve that status.

It is entirely appropriate to have reasonable investigation done before granting this status.

Of course, targeting applicants by ideology is not “reasonable.”


27 posted on 05/15/2013 11:58:42 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sir Napsalot

Grayson is one of the biggest A-holes the dems have.


28 posted on 05/15/2013 12:02:46 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: Let_It_Be_So

I’m not sure if they went after 3’s or 4’s. I assumed they targeted both. There may be more 4’s than 3’s because in general its hardest to get a 3 approved.

The benefit of a 3 is to receive tax deductions on contributions.

The benefit of a 4 is to avoid any income tax on revenues. Most similar 4 organizations probably would do just fine without a tax exemption because they are not making money.

As far as political organizations go, the most common way for a 3 to get around political issues is to hide behind the education bush. For example, they claim their purpose is to educate people on climate change, women’s rights, discrimination etc.

The tax issue for the IRS for 3’s is that because political contributions are not tax deductible, is to stop people from getting a tax deduction by using a charity as a front.

I’m not sure about all the reasons someone wants recognition as a 4 because there is in general no tax benefit unless they accumulate income. I assume the main reason is it provides a vehicle to keep donors anonymous and provides more of an official stamp.

It is possible for a nonprofit to get chartered by a state and not seek IRS approval. If I were to start a Tea Party group, I would attempt to avoid the IRS at all costs just on principle.


29 posted on 05/15/2013 12:05:27 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Sir Napsalot

It’s the Koch brother’s fault, sez scumbag Alan Grayson. Thanks again, Florida.


30 posted on 05/15/2013 12:07:04 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Sir Napsalot
Along the same with yesterday's meme from Pelosi and MSNBC host, fault is "Citizen's United".

Yep. Liberals never give up. They got donors names, they tried to silence the Tea Party activists and they tried to stop the funding if those Conservative groups. All in time for the 2012 elections

31 posted on 05/15/2013 12:10:22 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: Sir Napsalot

Standard political damage control tactics.

Admit nothing.

Deny everything.

Assign blame elsewhere.

Launch counter allegations.


32 posted on 05/15/2013 12:14:32 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Sherman Logan
The groups apply for special tax-exempt status, and obviously have to meet certain criteria to deserve that status.

I agree. I have done several applications and would be totally surprised if there were no questions after applying. I have never processed a tax exemption without responding to additional questions no matter how complete the submission. The nature of the questions are usually structured in a way to get the non-profit accountable at the outset by clarifying the intended mission. In fact, when I first heard about this issue months ago I assumed the complainers were objecting to the normal process that all non-profits go through. Most people think the normal questions are overreach.

However, after hearing some of the requests currently published I cannot see a reasonable reason for them. There is a huge difference between asking the organizers "what will you teach?" than "what have you taught?". The first holds the organization accountable for its future actions. The second is not relevant and attempts to hold them accountable for their past actions.

33 posted on 05/15/2013 12:21:20 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: FlipWilson
"The left feels that their agenda is what is. Anything that isn’t furthering their agenda is illegitimate"

This bears repeating...and should be picked up by our independent media. It shows how the left treats Fox News, talk radio, etc. It shows why a black or Hispanic or female conservative must be vilified and destroyed. All of the above work against their agenda and therefore are illegitimate. A black conservative isn't black, they are a conservative and abandoned their race. A female conservative is not treated with any respect because they are no longer considered a woman to be protected and respected once they speak out against liberalism.

Thanks, Flip, for offering this concise statement.

34 posted on 05/15/2013 12:59:10 PM PDT by ilgipper (The lesson for the GOP is simple - don't let the opposition define you)
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To: Raycpa

Thanks for the reply. Very helpful!


35 posted on 05/15/2013 1:11:14 PM PDT by Let_It_Be_So (Once you see the Truth, you cannot "unsee" it, no matter how hard you may try.)
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To: ThomasMore

Quote: “Grayson is one of the biggest A-holes the dems have.”

Yet the Grand Old Stupid Party re-districted Florida in a way that ensured this asshat could be returned to congress while Allen West was dumped. Why!?! Because the GOP doesn’t want any of those whacky, racist Tea Party types in congress. The GOP-E actively seeks to sabotage the Tea Party. Hmmmm.


36 posted on 05/15/2013 2:14:30 PM PDT by FlipWilson
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