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UK casino accuses US poker star Ivey of cheating
Fox News ^ | May 15, 2013 | Gregory Katz

Posted on 05/16/2013 6:58:55 AM PDT by Dave346

LONDON – A major casino operator is accusing Phil Ivey, an American who is one of the world's top professional poker players, of amassing millions of dollars in winnings by cheating at baccarat.

Court papers filed in Britain's High Court by the Malaysia-based Genting Group say that Ivey and an accomplice successfully used a scam to rack up winnings of roughly 7.8 million pounds ($11.9 million) last summer.

The case has rocked the world of professional poker by pitting one of its most charismatic young stars against a major resort and casino operator. The game in question took place on Aug. 20-21 at Crockfords, one of London's oldest and most respected casinos.

The long-simmering dispute was first made public last month when Ivey filed a claim against the Genting Group in London's High Court. His lawyers said the casino refused to pay Ivey the money he had won playing baccarat at Crockfords, which is part of the Genting Group.

The casino responded in court Tuesday by accusing Ivey of cheating, saying his winnings were invalid because they were "based upon illegal acts."

On Wednesday, Ivey issued a statement through his lawyers denying any misconduct.

"The fact that I have issued a lawsuit in the face of what they are alleging says everything about how comfortable I am with my conduct and the validity of my win," he said. "Any allegations of wrongdoing by Crockfords are denied by me in the very strongest of terms."

Ivey, a 37-year-old American, has been phenomenally successful, winning numerous World Series of Poker Championship bracelets. He has attracted a large fan base and been active with several charities since winning millions of dollars at poker.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: britain; cards; chat; fraud; philivey; poker
Phil Ivey is like the Tiger Woods of poker. Big blow to his reputation here.
1 posted on 05/16/2013 6:58:55 AM PDT by Dave346
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To: Dave346

Cheating? In POKER!?! What is the world coming to?


2 posted on 05/16/2013 7:03:11 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: Dave346

Cheating? In POKER!?! What is the world coming to?


3 posted on 05/16/2013 7:03:12 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: Dave346

Oh, cause he’s black you mean. Nice dog whistle!


4 posted on 05/16/2013 7:04:33 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: Dave346

It sounds like a sore loser, if they have proof of cheating that’s one thing. Otherwise just an accusation with no proof is just a means of smearing this man’s reputation.

Only time will tell I suppose.


5 posted on 05/16/2013 7:05:03 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Dave346

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baccarat


6 posted on 05/16/2013 7:06:31 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Dave346

Serious question; how would someone cheat at Baccarat?


7 posted on 05/16/2013 7:07:36 AM PDT by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the far North)
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To: Dave346
Phil Ivey is like the Tiger Woods of poker.

Is Ivey a cheating caublanasian too?

8 posted on 05/16/2013 7:09:21 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Dave346

>The court papers say that Ivey and his accomplice, after some trial and error, found a “shoe” that contained decks of cards with an asymmetrical design.

Using a backside identifiable deck when playing for millions? The casino should pay up for being stupid.


9 posted on 05/16/2013 7:10:18 AM PDT by soycd
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To: The Working Man

It’s difficult for me to see how a player cheats at Baccarat. The player never touches the cards and bets against the bank as cards are dealt from a shoe.

I imagine that the player could keep track of cards as played, but isn’t that exactly what a player is SUPPOSED to do? It sure isn’t “cheating”.


10 posted on 05/16/2013 7:12:52 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Dave346

“Big blow to his reputation here.”

Um, everyone expects poker players to try to cheat if given the opportunity. Par for the course.


11 posted on 05/16/2013 7:15:09 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: soycd
The court papers say that Ivey and his accomplice, after some trial and error, found a “shoe” that contained decks of cards with an asymmetrical design.

They "found" such a shoe? Where, pray tell other than at the casino's own Baccarat table, would such a thing be "found". And I'm sorry but the "trial and error" reference also goes right over my head.

This entire story is suspect in the extreme.

12 posted on 05/16/2013 7:16:30 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine

Supposedly, he was reading the flaws on the backs of the cards. Not that he put the flaws or marks there, since he didn’t touch the cards. Just that he observed them, and used that information to his advantage. Which still isn’t cheating.


13 posted on 05/16/2013 7:18:23 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Dave346

Gee, so a player cheated by using his head?

That’s not cheating, that’s intelligence.

Pay up or go f*ck yourself.


14 posted on 05/16/2013 7:25:19 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Dave346

A tell is a tell is a tell.

Pay up, limeys!


15 posted on 05/16/2013 7:25:32 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: headsonpikes

Casino’s always have the advantage. When a player gets an advantage, that’s called “cheating”.
That’s why the Mob runs the Casinos.


16 posted on 05/16/2013 7:27:40 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: John Valentine

The players don’t touch the cards in what USA casinos call “mini-baccarat”.

However, in the big casinos like the Wynn in Las Vegas, where the players sit around a long table somewhat shaped like an egg timer, the shoe moves from player to player, and a player actually flicks the cards out of the shoe. The dealer’s hand is passed face down (by a croupier or other house employee who is standing opposite the dealer) to the “dealer” sitting at the middle of the table who arranges them for all to see. The player is allowed to privately look at the “player hand” before flipping them over and tossing them to the center.

The minimum bets to sit in this type of game start at $100, but are often much higher.


17 posted on 05/16/2013 7:27:47 AM PDT by nd76
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To: John Valentine
It sure isn’t “cheating”.

To a modern casino, "cheating" is defined as "player beating the house by a statistically anomalous amount."

They know exactly how much they are going to allow you to win - anything over that they will take back, by force if necessary.

18 posted on 05/16/2013 7:27:54 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Boogieman

I find it interesting that the house can use everything to ITS advantage, but the moment the player uses the houses own rules or materials to his advantage, then HE is cheating.


19 posted on 05/16/2013 7:28:33 AM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: sima_yi
Serious question; how would someone cheat at Baccarat?

Serious question: why don't people read the linked article? ;)

20 posted on 05/16/2013 7:30:30 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Dave346
The court papers say that Ivey and his accomplice, after some trial and error, found a "shoe" that contained decks of cards with an asymmetrical design.

Well if they found cards with an asymmetrical design that is the fault of the casino and they should know better. If you look at any "normal" deck of cards, you can't tell which is top or bottom.

The casino should be forced to pay for their own stupidity!

21 posted on 05/16/2013 8:40:47 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Dave346
The video (at 1:49) in this link shows the flawed cards. Casino's fault. They could have stopped play or changed shoes when he suddenly increased his bets.
22 posted on 05/16/2013 9:07:30 AM PDT by Cooter
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To: Cooter
Obviously not a "Mob run" casino.


23 posted on 05/16/2013 9:08:43 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Dave346

Casinos have gone soft. Where’s the baseball bats, meat cleavers, and cement shoes?


24 posted on 05/16/2013 9:36:44 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: Jack Hammer

Correct analysis, IMHO.


25 posted on 05/16/2013 9:40:19 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: mountn man

Yup. In fact, they don’t even need to prove that you cheated in order to deny you winnings. To the casino, just the fact that you won “too much” is evidence that you cheated, since the games are rigged to prevent that from happening.


26 posted on 05/16/2013 9:47:19 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: AppyPappy
"advantage"

Like card counting. I've never understood why a customer just using his brain to figure out possible card outcomes can be called cheating. But the casinos throw out customers they suspect of card counting. Just a nasty trick by the casinos to make sure customers don't have any advantage..mechanical or otherwise.

27 posted on 05/16/2013 10:37:25 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: babble-on

Americans cheating? No way! Ask our banksters. We are the best of the best politically correct humanists idiots on earth! All that matters is that we win...your money.


28 posted on 05/16/2013 2:56:28 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Gunslingr3

Fair enough. My bad.


29 posted on 05/16/2013 8:05:48 PM PDT by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the far North)
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