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Benghazi Emails Directly Contradict White House Claims
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Posted on 05/16/2013 7:04:15 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Benghazi Emails Directly Contradict White House Claims Stephen F. Hayes May 16, 2013 12:09 AM

The White House on Wednesday released 94 pages of emails between top administration and intelligence officials who helped shape the talking points about the attacks in Benghazi, Libya, that the CIA would provide to policymakers in both the legislative and executive branches.

The documents, first reported by THE WEEKLY STANDARD in articles here and here, directly contradict claims by White House press secretary Jay Carney and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that the revisions of those talking points were driven by the intelligence community and show heavy input from top Obama administration officials, particularly those at the State Department.

The emails provide further detail about the rewriting of the talking points during a 24-hour period from midday September 14 to midday September 15. As THE WEEKLY STANDARD previously reported, a briefing from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence shows that the big changes came in three waves – internally at the CIA, after email feedback from top administration officials, and during or after a meeting of high-ranking intelligence and national security officials the following morning.

The initial CIA changes softened some of the language about the participants in the Benghazi assault – from “Islamic extremists with ties to al Qaeda” to “Islamic extremists.” But CIA officials also added bullet points about the possible participation of Ansar al Sharia, an al Qaeda-linked jihadist group, and previous warnings about the deteriorating security situation in Benghazi. Those additions came out after the talking points were sent to “the interagency,” where the CIA’s final draft was further stripped down to little more than boilerplate. The half dozen references to terrorists – both in Benghazi and more generally – all but disappeared. Gone were references to al Qaeda, Ansar al Sharia, jihadists, Islamic extremists, etc. The only remaining mention was a note that “extremists” had participated in the attack.

As striking as what appears in the email traffic is what does not. There is no mention of the YouTube video that would become a central part of the administration’s explanation of the attacks to the American people until a brief mention in the subject line of emails coming out of an important meeting where further revisions were made.

Carney, in particular, is likely to face tough questioning about the contents of the emails because he made claims to reporters that were untrue. “The White House and the State Department have made clear that the single adjustment that was made to those talking points by either of those two – of these two institutions were changing the word ‘consulate’ to ‘diplomatic facility,’ because the word ‘consulate’ was inaccurate,” he told reporters on November 28, 2012.

That’s not true. An email sent at 9:15 PM on September 14, from an official in the CIA’s Office of Public Affairs to others at the agency, described the process this way. “The State Department had major reservations with much or most of the document. We revised the document with their concerns in mind.”

That directly contradicts what Carney said. It’s also difficult to reconcile with claims made by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton during testimony she gave January 23 on Capitol Hill.

“It was an intelligence product,” she said, adding later that the “intelligence community was the principal decider about what went into talking points.” (See here for the original version of the talking points and the final one.)

Carney and other top Obama administration officials have long maintained that CIA officials revised the talking points with minimal input from Obama administration officials. The claim made little sense when they made it – why would CIA officials revise on their own a set of talking points they’d already finalized? The emails demonstrate clearly that it isn’t true.

Another CIA email, this one a draft of a message for CIA director David Petraeus, noted that the talking points process had “run into major problems,” in part because of the “major concerns” raised by the State Department. That same email reported that the issues would be revisited at the Deputies Committee meeting on Saturday morning.

Elsewhere, CIA officials seemed to understand that the document had been stripped of most of its content. An email from an official with the CIA’s Office of Terrorism Analysis, the office that drafted the original version of the talking points, signed off on the final version but seemed to understand that the new version wouldn’t please those who had requested it. “They are fine with me,” this CIA official wrote. “But, pretty sure HPSCI [the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence] won’t like them. :-)”

When Petraeus received the rewritten talking points, he objected. “Frankly, I’d just as soon not use this,” he wrote to a legislative affairs staffer. But he declined to put up a fight.

The documents answer some questions and raise many others. Did Hillary Clinton have any role in the efforts of State Department staffers to push for the many substantive revisions to the talking points? Clinton, who testified that she was a hands-on part of the State Department’s response to the attacks, has claimed she had nothing to do with the talking points.

And what about the administration’s claims that State and White House officials weren’t involved with substantive edits? In one email, Jake Sullivan, deputy chief of staff to Hillary Clinton, reports to State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland that he’s spoken with Obama’s top spokesman at the National Security Council, Tommy Vietor. “I spoke with Tommy. We’ll work through this in the morning and get comments back.”

In a separate email, he writes: “Talked to Tommy. We can make edits.”


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1 posted on 05/16/2013 7:04:15 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Petraeus = patsy


2 posted on 05/16/2013 7:05:46 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Sub-Driver

We need to know whose name was redacted from Nuland’s email.


3 posted on 05/16/2013 7:07:21 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: annieokie; penelopesire; maggief; Protect the Bill of Rights; thouworm; SE Mom; Nachum; onyx; ...
Anyone wanting on or off this ping list, please advise.


4 posted on 05/16/2013 7:08:03 AM PDT by MestaMachine
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To: Sub-Driver

5 posted on 05/16/2013 7:09:51 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet)
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To: Doogle

Makes one wonder if they released the details of his affair because he wouldn’t play ball.


6 posted on 05/16/2013 7:12:50 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Jake Sullivan, deputy chief of staff to Hillary Clinton, reports to State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland that he’s spoken with Obama’s top spokesman at the National Security Council, Tommy Vietor. “I spoke with Tommy. We’ll work through this in the morning and get comments back.”

I think we've got a few new names, at least. Nothing is ever going to go directly to Obama, who has worked mightily to keep his fingerprints off this, by everything from supposedly going to bed the night of the attacks (and then leaving early the next day for a flight to Vegas) to his usual stuffing of the process with ranks of expendable, low-level intermediaries.

7 posted on 05/16/2013 7:14:32 AM PDT by livius
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To: USNBandit

..same time line


8 posted on 05/16/2013 7:15:16 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Sub-Driver

Pay no attention to the woman behind the curtain.


9 posted on 05/16/2013 7:18:37 AM PDT by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Who cares what they F’ing said! What matters is what was going on in Benghazi in the first place, and why they hung four men out to dry when they could have responded forcefully and saved most, if not all of them. That right there is the heart of the matter.


10 posted on 05/16/2013 7:21:41 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Special Counsel for Valerie Plame b.s., but not for this? Anyone think Holder is still qualified?


11 posted on 05/16/2013 7:23:07 AM PDT by sappy (criminaldems)
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To: Sub-Driver

Well.....Obama has thrown Hillary Clinton under the bus!!! It’s as plain as the nose on your face!!! And......if you think Obama was angry last night about the IRS incidents last night.....you are smoking funny stuff or drinking too much Obama Koll-Aid!!! He no more wanted to be in front of the mike, then I wanted to be eating swiss cheese on the moon!!!

Can you imagine he fires his IRS guy who is slated to leave in a couple of weeks anyway!!! What a load of BS. If any American believes any word uttered by Obama is true, they should be awarded buffoon status!!! As for Petraeus, he sure turned out to be a dud!!! Obama destroys him and all he does is remain quiet, while these American haters, Obama and his cohorts continue unabated, to destroy this wonderfull country. General, may God have mercy on you, because....I sure don’t!!!


12 posted on 05/16/2013 7:23:52 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Stephen Haynes has done good work on this. You should have put his name in as the author.


13 posted on 05/16/2013 7:24:29 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: MestaMachine

As of 10:24 WH site not showing a daily press briefing for today. Obama presser at noon with PM of Turkey


14 posted on 05/16/2013 7:27:32 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Sub-Driver
“Frankly, I’d just as soon not use this,”

Grammar Nazi: "I'd just assume not use this."

That aside, I feel for Petraeus. As an engineer, I've had to compose some hard-hitting investigative documentation on failures in implementations only to have them completely walked back and "politicized" so as to not offend someone (i.e. the previous engineers). The "finalized" document is so devoid of any substance as to be completely worthless and a waste of my time having written the original.

But Hell, at least they pay me.

15 posted on 05/16/2013 7:28:49 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: don-o

They’re in firefighting mode today. Sounds to me like they’ve got some pretty wicked conflagrations going on around them.

I’m expecting resignation announcements from Carney and some others very soon.


16 posted on 05/16/2013 7:29:46 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Jack of all Trades

“What matters is what was going on in Benghazi in the first place, and why they hung four men out to dry when they could have responded forcefully and saved most, if not all of them.”

What they said goes to the heart if the matter. It shows they immediately went into CYA mode. They were gutless cowards that were more concerned about their reelection prospects than the people that were dying as they pondered how it would affect the election.


17 posted on 05/16/2013 7:31:05 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (President Obama; The Slumlord of the Rentseekers)
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To: Sub-Driver

everybody, including everybody here, acts as though the existence of “talking points” is legitimate.

“Talking points” are LIES, OBFUSCATIONS AND TREASON. It is a scripted version of what some pols want the truth to be as opposed to the truth.

DON’T ACT LIKE THIS “TALKING POINTS” MERDE IS A LEGITIMATE METHOD OF ACCOUNTABILITY


18 posted on 05/16/2013 7:31:10 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: don-o

Sorry to have to miss it. I’ll be doing oxygen then.


19 posted on 05/16/2013 7:31:32 AM PDT by MestaMachine
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To: Sub-Driver

20 posted on 05/16/2013 7:32:17 AM PDT by McGruff (It's not the crime it's the cover-up someone once said.)
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To: Sub-Driver

When are they gonna start jailing some of these lying treasonous ba$tards?


21 posted on 05/16/2013 7:33:42 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: don-o

Yesterday Obama said he would take questions today. We’ll see.


22 posted on 05/16/2013 7:33:49 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (President Obama; The Slumlord of the Rentseekers)
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To: Jack of all Trades
Indeed, Benghazi is a three part scandal:
1. Why did Obama put people in danger knowingly and without any response plan. The U.S. has major forces in the Med Sea all the time, where were they? A Marine amphibious helicopter ship was at sea in the area, why wasn't it right off the coast, given what was going on in Egypt, Libya, and Syria?
2. Once the attack began, why was there a total lack of action. Obama stood down all response possibilities before it was even over. Those men were left to die. Obama had no idea how long it would last, yet he preemptively opted to not even try. Had they held out for 10 hr, 12 hr, 24 hr, they still would still have died, because nobody was coming.
3. After the fact, there has been a huge cover up of #1 and #2. Bald faced lies have been repeatedly told and an innocent man imprisoned, all to cover Obama’s incompetence and neglect.
23 posted on 05/16/2013 7:34:40 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Sub-Driver

24 posted on 05/16/2013 7:34:40 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: rarestia
That would be hugh and series

I have never posted that in my whole FR career so it's marked off my bucket list

25 posted on 05/16/2013 7:35:17 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Sub-Driver

I would like to know who came up with the idea to say it was an obscure video, who found Nakoula so fast after the attack, and who ordered his arrest.

How did they know about this man to be able to use him and his video so quickly. Did the State Dept. know an attack on the Embassy was going to occur on 9-11 and did they have a contingency plan in place (video) knowing that Clinton had withdrawn the extra security and her decisions must not be questioned.

Now we know the video had nothing to do with the attack. This whole thing was planned well in advance of the attack. They need to question someone on who found this man, and when did they really find him.


26 posted on 05/16/2013 7:35:53 AM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Hillary Clinton and Obama both knew from the start that this attack had nothing to do with the baloney video. Yet, they used hard-earned American taxpayer dollars to produce and air a commercial in the Middle East where they apologize for the baloney video. Why? Because the commercial was part of the political coverup. They used American tax dollars for a political coverup, and, I do believe that meets the standard of “high crimes and misdemeanors” whereby our Constitution requires an impeachment proceeding.


27 posted on 05/16/2013 7:35:57 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: JPG

She’s up to her eyeballs in this, along with obama and his pal, val (and all the rest).

Just like everything obama has his hand on, the current State Department is staffed with corruption and/or useful idiots.

I’m still wondering why Glen Doherty was sent out to give an interview with ABC news that exposed his mission in Libya.

I can’t make myself believe that a man of Doherty’s intelligence would have done that interview without orders from high up. A month later he’s dead.


28 posted on 05/16/2013 7:37:44 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: don-o
Here comes the parade...aka....Distractions 101.

Cameron was last. Now PM of Turkey....

Next....Maybe a beer with OJ on the Whitehouse Lawn...near Michelle's vegetables....

which were originally planted in toxic soil.

29 posted on 05/16/2013 7:38:11 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sub-Driver

I wonder why no one has developed a method to effectively backdate emails.Surely some sort of malicious program could be built that would change the records in an archive to show an email had been archived at some convenient date and time. Obviously I am not any sort of programmer.


30 posted on 05/16/2013 7:41:27 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: Sacajaweau; All

slightly off topic question: anyone know the time for Carney’s presser today...it’s no on C-span’s schedule..I assume it will be after Obama’s at noon...


31 posted on 05/16/2013 7:42:19 AM PDT by ken5050 (Not every Muslim is a terrorist, but just about every terrorist is a Muslim..)
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To: Sub-Driver

The lies cover up the real crime: Running guns to Al Qaeda in Syria.

Keep shoveling, and you’ll find TREASON at the bottom of the hole.


32 posted on 05/16/2013 7:43:15 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (WHO IS ON THE ENEMIES LIST?)
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To: Jack of all Trades

It suggests the question of what did Stevens know that the administration preferred that no one else find out?


33 posted on 05/16/2013 7:43:53 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: Jack of all Trades

It is important to know who decided to introduce the lie that a video was at fault

1. The Libyan president correctly claimed that it was an AQ attack. The US government contradicted and embarrased the Libyan government with the video lie. Because the attacks were blamed on a video, the FBI was refused admission into Libya to investigate.

2. The blame of a video instigated riots in Indonesia.

3. We were lied to by a government that is suppsed to serve us. Rice lied on TV. Clinton lied to the press and in front of Congress. Obama mislead the UN. Money was spent to lie in foreign ads to apologize for the video.

4. The video maker is still in jail. A clear 1st ammendment rights violation. The video maker was rousted out of bed at 2 am by a team of sheriffs. Who ordered them to do so, and did they really believe that a sleeping man was a flight risk or was it all show?

We STILL don’t know where the video lie was introduced.


34 posted on 05/16/2013 7:44:42 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Doogle
I believe with all my heart that taking Petreaus down was "her job". When Obama wanted him gone....everything came out.

Surprise, surprise...

35 posted on 05/16/2013 7:45:40 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: rarestia
“Frankly, I’d just as soon not use this,”

Grammar Nazi: "I'd just assume not use this."

Editor: stet

Gen. Petraeus is correct.

36 posted on 05/16/2013 7:49:31 AM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: Sub-Driver

“I’m Shocked To Find That There Is Gambling Going On In This Establishment”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


37 posted on 05/16/2013 7:50:27 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: bandleader

“Here’s your winnings, sir.”


38 posted on 05/16/2013 7:52:09 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Sub-Driver
I can't figure out why anyone thinks these emails are important. If the govt released them, how can we expect them to cause them any harm?

Unless, of course, the "tapes" have some "blank" sections. Hehe.

39 posted on 05/16/2013 7:53:39 AM PDT by Scooter100 (A balanced budget means Banksters lose $Billion$.)
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To: rarestia

Just assume? I don’t think so.

http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/justassume.html


40 posted on 05/16/2013 8:07:15 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy ( Because police powers are essential to the public good that abusing them is so offensive.)
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To: don-o
Obama press conference today with PM of Turkey.

Ironic—the day he died, Ambassador Stevens (CIA) was meeting with a Turkish diplomat in Benghazi. The cover-up is really about Stevens’ gun-running of Libyan weapons through Turkey to the Syrian rebels.

I wonder if any in the Press will take this joint opportunity today to get to what the NY Times says is the “True Shame of Benghazi.”

41 posted on 05/16/2013 8:10:42 AM PDT by DJtex
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To: DJtex

I just heard Rand Paul on Geraldo’s radio show make reference to the fact that he questioned Hillary on the gun running to Syria by CIA and of course Hill went Sgt Schultz.

I’ll get slammed for even mentioning GR’s name, but, I believe he is the one who brought it up to Rand.


42 posted on 05/16/2013 8:16:07 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: ken5050
Carney’s presser today..

Not on the WH site either. Will he resign?

43 posted on 05/16/2013 8:19:43 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: blueunicorn6
Indeed there can be impeachment referrals today - for Obama! The press would have us believe that high crimes and misdemeanors is an almost impossibly high bar (unless it's a republican)

In reality, a government official can and should be impeached for something as common as falsifying an expense report! Anyone think you can't be impeached for gross incompetence? Of course you can.

Obama should have been impeached immediately for the BP shakedown years ago. Benghazi, IRS, AP - the reason congress' approval numbers are so low is because they havent fulfilled their oaths either - just like Obama, Holder, Big Sis, Clinton, on and on and on down the list.

44 posted on 05/16/2013 8:23:19 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.u)
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To: yldstrk

The talking points were being created to send to Congressional committees with oversight.

The back-and-forth among the players on the talking point edits showed clearly that their audience was Congress. They were worried that Republicans in Congress would blame the State Dept. for not heeding CIA warnings about terrorist attacks in Benghazi, among other worries they had. So they scrubbed the talking points until they were meaningless drivel.

IOW, this was a report to Congressional oversight committees as to what went on in Benghazi. Not the details, but an overview.

There was a valid reason why these were created. So it would seem that their CONTENT or lack thereof should be analyzed, rather than the fact they existed at all.


45 posted on 05/16/2013 8:24:30 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear..."(Glenn Beck))
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To: don-o
He will have to deal with his comments..that the WH only made a stylistic change. Either he says he lied to the press..or he was lied to by people in the WH..

if you see something..kindly ping me..

46 posted on 05/16/2013 8:28:44 AM PDT by ken5050 (Due to all the WH scandals, MSNBC is changing its slogan from "Lean Forward" to "BOHICA")
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To: don-o; ken5050

Carney might not be doing a presser today and the excuse could be that Obama is doing one with a visiting official.

Could be a cover reason for him not to do one.

Whether he resigns or not, who knows?

From what I see, somebody has told Obama - probably Valerie - to get out there and be the face of this stuff. But he has been carefully prepared to issue bromides and appear to be concerned, in charge, on the ball and trying to fix things. And to try to thread a needle on his Benghazi lies, and you can tell he is very practiced at attempting it, for the low information voter. He has already lost the informed voter.


47 posted on 05/16/2013 8:30:28 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear..."(Glenn Beck))
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To: ken5050

http://ethicsalarms.com/2013/05/12/jay-carney-must-resign/


48 posted on 05/16/2013 8:33:20 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Sub-Driver
That's not just a little shading of the truth, Carney was lying blatantly and stupidly, stupidly because it was so easily caught. That's beginning to become a pattern - the story that the IRS abuses were the work of two "rogue" operators fell under that category as soon as the abusive questionnaires started to pop up all over the country.

Mendacity this open and broad is a function of pure arrogance. Once again the shredders will be running overnight in DC and the bureaucracies looking for how far down they can push the inevitable fall guy. These are our "leaders".

49 posted on 05/16/2013 8:34:42 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Sub-Driver

Obama misdirecting the American people —AGAIN. The release of e-mail is a ploy to draw off the attack. The real issues remain unanswered. The Mission in Libya.the Fast and furious on Steroids trafficking in weapons to Islamic terrorists linked to AlQaeda. The cover-up. The intimidation of whistle blowers.The dead men left behind by this President......


50 posted on 05/16/2013 8:37:02 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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