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Police Chief Asks Citizens for Ammo, Gets 1,500 Round Loan Amid Strong Response
cnsnews.com ^ | Thursday, May 16, 2013 | Gregory Gwyn-Williams, jr.

Posted on 05/16/2013 8:23:21 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA

As the "Great Ammunition Shortage" continues, police departments across the country are struggling to supply their arsenals. One police chief turned to the community for help, and citizens stepped up.

In Proctor, Minnesota, police chief Walter Wobig says that his suppliers have told him he'll have to wait "months" for the 1,000 rounds he's requested.

When Wobig turned to the residents of Proctor by putting out a call for help meeting his department's ammo needs, citizens contacted his office, eager to help.

"The citizens were like, 'If you need something, we got plenty here,'" said Wobig.

One resident and a Proctor police officer loaned 1,500 rounds from their personal stockpile to the department.

The Chief says others offered to help too. "I had several other calls from other citizens that said, 'Hey, if you need more ammunition we have plenty,'" said Wobig,

The Chief says that when his ammunition order is filled, he will be repaying the citizens for their contributions.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: banglist; dhsammo; guncontrol; leo; policechief; secondamendment

1 posted on 05/16/2013 8:23:21 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA
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To: ConservativeInPA

Why do cops need that much ammo? We know they don’t practice that much and there are only so many dogs.


2 posted on 05/16/2013 8:25:59 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do uwhen I have a fire.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
So, I wonder if this will work both ways? If a citizen needs ammo in a time of need, will the police give him some?

I didn't think so. They get zip from me, ever.

3 posted on 05/16/2013 8:27:32 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Ammo is the last thing they would get from me.


4 posted on 05/16/2013 8:29:55 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: ConservativeInPA

Hope these citizens never have to see their own rounds again... from the wrong end.


5 posted on 05/16/2013 8:30:36 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: driftdiver

The 1,000 rounds is probably a year supply, doubt the locals gave them that much at one time.

I don’t fear my local or state police. I know many of them and they are the good guys. Same goes for the Texas Rangers, have known a couple.


6 posted on 05/16/2013 8:30:37 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: ConservativeInPA

Big Sis or Holder don’t have any to spare? And I suppose Obamster is too busy supplying the Muslim Brotherhood.


7 posted on 05/16/2013 8:31:09 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Yeah, make them appeal to the DHS and the feds.
They got plenty.


8 posted on 05/16/2013 8:31:56 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Just 1500 rounds for entire P.D. ?

That's about ten trips to the range for me :)

9 posted on 05/16/2013 8:34:59 AM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: ConservativeInPA

No OPSEC here.

When the SHTF and it’s confiscation time they won’t forget who is “hoarding” ammunition.


10 posted on 05/16/2013 8:35:52 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama-Ville - Land of The Freebies, Home of the Enslaved)
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To: SecondAmendment

1,000 rounds isn’t much.

I go thru that much in a couple of trips to my range.( a place in the nearby woods where it is open).


11 posted on 05/16/2013 8:37:47 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Resolute Conservative

bump that !


12 posted on 05/16/2013 8:38:17 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: Venturer

It isn’t much, but considering the current price and availability, now it IS much.


13 posted on 05/16/2013 8:42:21 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: Resolute Conservative
Ammo is the last thing they would get from me.

I get your point, but Proctor, MN is a small town, I would guess, and the police there are probably regarded as part of the community. And who knows? Such a gesture might inculcate a certain level of goodwill that may prove helpful on down the road.

If I lived in New York City, and the police commissioner asked me to loan the department some ammo, I'd be with you in saying, "Get your own, pal. Life is tough all over." In a small town, it's a little different, in my estimation.
14 posted on 05/16/2013 8:44:15 AM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: Resolute Conservative
Ammo is the last thing they would get from me.

That would depend entirely on the circumstances. For it may come to pass that we will indeed be sending ammunition to our local constabulary. One round at a time. Praying it won't come to that.

15 posted on 05/16/2013 8:44:39 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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To: jboot; ConservativeInPA; Resolute Conservative; grobdriver; Texas Fossil

“...They get zip from me, ever....”

Depends on your Chief and the particular department.

Some of these guys ARE on our side.

You should endeavor to find out who your local chief is and what side he’s on, either directly or indirectly.

Having a little insider warning that “things are happening” wouldn’t be a bad thing, and knowing you have friends and allies to support you is never bad.

Never discount a potential ally - or fail to identify a potential enemy.


16 posted on 05/16/2013 8:57:11 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale
Never discount a potential ally - or fail to identify a potential enemy.

Hey, there will be no common sense on a good cop-hating thread. All cops, without exception, are jack-booted thugs whose only pleasures in life are to hassle you and shoot your dog.

/sarc (if the tag is needed). Yours is sensible advice, and also one of the first things that I did when I moved to my new town. Local cops where I am are pretty good. Chief is no-nonsense, but a stand up guy. Kind of guy you'd want on your side in a fight.

18 posted on 05/16/2013 9:06:37 AM PDT by wbill
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To: ConservativeInPA

I can’t seem to find ammo myself...I am going to my local PD station and see if they could loan me some....


19 posted on 05/16/2013 9:21:26 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: wbill

While I will admit that generally, I’m not a big fan of LEOs overall, I will never push away an ally that can and will help in the event of any SHTF scenario.

We’ve been on “SHTF Standby” for a while now. It’s nice to know who’s on your side - and who’s not - in your locale. Especially when they have potential inside intel on things happening thereabouts.

Most of the time, one need only pay a small modicum of attention to your surroundings... Dem lawn signs and Ohole bumper stickers are a good indication of who is most assuredly NOT on your side.


20 posted on 05/16/2013 9:23:29 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Heck, I'd contribute. It's a drop in the bucket. And the police are aware it's a drop in the bucket. And I want the police to continue to be very, very aware that it's a drop in the bucket.

I'll dissent a little - this, I think, is absolutely the proper relationship between law officers and citizens. I want them aware that I'd back them in a gunfight, that I'm on their side, and that they'd better by God be on mine.

21 posted on 05/16/2013 9:31:57 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: ConservativeInPA

They should go ask “Big Sis” as Rush calls her, that’s where all the ammo went.


22 posted on 05/16/2013 9:33:38 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: Milton Miteybad

Good post.


23 posted on 05/16/2013 9:36:38 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Life is a bitch. If it was easy, we would call it a slut)
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To: Iron Munro

“When the SHTF and it’s confiscation time they won’t forget who is “hoarding” ammunition.”

This ‘giving’ of ammunition to Big Brother’s Thugs is tantamount to confiscation, is it not?

The people who donated/offered to donate are suckers. Good luck to them when it is time for BB’sTs to ‘return’ the “borrowed” ammunition.


24 posted on 05/16/2013 9:51:25 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: ConservativeInPA

I don’t like my local police enough to give them any ammo. Either these are particularly good cops, or some citizens trust their government more than they should.


25 posted on 05/16/2013 9:57:17 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Ditto.


26 posted on 05/16/2013 10:01:41 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Looking for my generations Lexington and Concord.)
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To: NFHale
Agreed. And as for the inside intel - you couldn't be more correct.

It's not intel of the "Tomorrow, we're coming to arrest you" sort - at least not in my scenario. It's more of the - "Man, there have been a bunch of car break-ins at the XYZ parking lot this week. We're working on it, but be watchful." Good to know, IMHO.

For instance, there's a large retailer (nameless) just a few miles up the road from me. There's an *enormous* amount of stuff that happens there - mostly smash and grabs, or parking lot stickups - and it happens in cycles. Not a word of it ever makes the paper or news. Not Ever. (Interesting, no?)

But a couple of friends keep me in the loop. 'Tis good to know these things. The best way to deal with them is to not be in the situation to begin with.

27 posted on 05/16/2013 10:04:12 AM PDT by wbill
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To: wbill

“...It’s not intel of the “Tomorrow, we’re coming to arrest you” sort...”

I’m ALL for THAT sort of Intel as well... more to the point, “there’s an “event” coming to a town near you” so to speak..


28 posted on 05/16/2013 10:07:36 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: SecondAmendment
That's about ten trips to the range for me :)

Tire easily?

29 posted on 05/16/2013 10:09:12 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: NFHale
Well, yeah. Me too. Haven't heard that yet, though. ;-)

Hope I never will.

30 posted on 05/16/2013 10:12:30 AM PDT by wbill
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To: ConservativeInPA

I pray that this isn’t a ruse to get citizens to give up their ammo instead of going door to door for confiscation.


31 posted on 05/16/2013 10:15:35 AM PDT by Patriot Babe
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To: wbill

“...Hope I never will...”

You ain’t alone, bro....! ha!


32 posted on 05/16/2013 10:17:44 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: SecondAmendment

The town is 3000 people. How big could the PD be?


33 posted on 05/16/2013 10:18:12 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: wbill
Contrary to your post, I don't hate the police. But I don't trust them, either, and I certainly wouldn't want them or anyone else to know that I have ammunition in quantity. If it ever comes down to SHTF, even your friendly local police will be very sorely tempted-or perhaps cruelly forced-to "just follow orders."
34 posted on 05/16/2013 10:23:42 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: Minutemen

Growing up with family and friends that were LEOs I woukld like to add this little insight:

Where did the Proctor policeman get his ammo from that he loaned to the department?

I only ask this as, again from my background, the PD would keep a supply on hand to be distributed to staff to use for pistol training and I know of at least one officer who was fired for stealing all of the training rounds from his Sgt.’s trunk instead of just taking the customary share.

Just saying...


35 posted on 05/16/2013 10:28:16 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: wbill

I don’t know about “cop hating”. However I am a proponent of small government. Cops are the strong arm, the tip of the spear of big government. Cops as a species are known to exploit privlidge for personal gain.

Corrupt politicians without corrupt cops and courts are like a tiger with no claws or teeth: scary looking, impressive, but relatively harmless.

So that is why small government proponents derid and belittle law enforcement: its policy, not hatred, not personal. I have noticed that folks on FR who are big cop supporters tend to be Law and Order types with a confused view of civil liberties. By that I mean confusing support for the fourth amendment as being “soft on crime” yet forgetting the dangerous nature of big government.


36 posted on 05/16/2013 10:58:54 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: ConservativeInPA
I have to call BS on this story. I know for a fact that Federal will ship ammo to LEO’s first in relatively short time frames. My neighbor(LEO) just went in on 1/2 a pallet of 9mm with several other guys that are LEO’s arrived in 7 working days.
37 posted on 05/16/2013 11:02:29 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: NFHale

Agreed.


38 posted on 05/16/2013 11:34:08 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Iron Munro

Look, our local constable is a gun nut. He has more than I own and has been a friend since we were children. (My brother was married briefly to his sister, another story)

If I asked him to loan me ammo, it would be no problem.

Texas State Police are similar. I know one of the district bosses and he is a great guy. Would trust him with anything I own.

Are they all like that? No, but many are.


39 posted on 05/16/2013 11:40:36 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Billthedrill
I want them aware that I'd back them in a gunfight, that I'm on their side, and that they'd better by God be on mine.

Agreed.

40 posted on 05/16/2013 11:50:10 AM PDT by dansangel (Rest in peace, .45MAN)
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To: Venturer
1,000 rounds isn’t much.

M2A1 .50 caliber metal can:

.22 long rifle: 5000 rounds

9mm Parabellum: 1440 rounds

.45 ACP: 1000 rounds

5.56mm NATO/.223 [in bandoliers/stripper clips:] 840 rounds

7.62 NATO, bandos/strippers: 420 rounds

.50 Browning, M9 links 100 or 105 rounds


41 posted on 05/16/2013 12:12:10 PM PDT by archy
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To: Texas Fossil; Billthedrill; dansangel; Squantos; Travis McGee
If I asked him to loan me ammo, it would be no problem. Texas State Police are similar. I know one of the district bosses and he is a great guy. Would trust him with anything I own. Are they all like that? No, but many are.

A couple of decades back, One Saturday I was stopped at a *police roadlock* by a city cop wearing a uniform shirt and jeans, backed up by a reserve sheriff's deputy in street clothes, their roadblock consisting of a Ford Mustang and a pickup truck. The city cop was wearing a holster and .38/.357 Magnum revolver, the other guy had a 5-shot .38 snubby.

The first guy came up, checked and found out I was alone in my 2-door Corvair, and relaxed considerably. He then filled me in that there's been a bank holdup in the county seat, and that 3 bank robbers with automatic weapons were described by witnesses as the bad guys; happily I did not match the *male/negroes* part.

I observed that they might be equipped a bit light for taking three shooters with buzzgunsm, and enquired as to weather either had been in the military. Yep, the townie cop had been in the USAF. Had he ever qualified with the M1 carbine? He sure had. Would he like to borrow mine for an hour or two? He sure did, and his pal was equally happy for the loan of a folding stock Remington 870 pump shotgun with an 8-round magazine, plus a sidebag with 00 buckshot and slugs. I even enquired where they'd find it most useful for me to park the car to cut things down to a 1-lane flow of traffic, and then I told them I was going to walk up a nearby hill with an apple and some cheese and a bottle of Diet Coke, and read a bit from my book of poetry. And I took my rifle along with me; they didn't say a thing about that.

But I did. It's your job and your county, I told 'em, and I'm not about to play without an invitation. But my rules of engagement were: if 3 guys with burpguns in a car come along and put you guys down, I'm going to take them from on top of the hill with my rifle, and everybody in their car dies. They got it, and we set up a couple of car horn signals to call me back if it was over or if any of a couple of other things came to pass.

And half an hour, 45 minutes later, beeeeeep, beeeeeep. Over the radio, they got the word that the bad guys had been caught on another road, hopefully where there was a little larger detail with a little more/better equipment.

But as they unloaded and recased my carbine and shotgun, they were curious: if I was willing to loan out the carbine and shotgun, what was in my third case, the one I was willing to take on a whole bunch of well-equipped bad guys [who, it turned out, had a pair of cutdown .22 semiauto rifles] So I showed them. They'd never seen a H&K M91 semiauto rifle before, nor any Energa antitank rifle grenades.

Nice couple of guys, overworked and outmatched. Nice to be able to give them a little bit of a hand.


42 posted on 05/16/2013 12:38:18 PM PDT by archy
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To: archy

Love that story, archy. Thank you for posting.


43 posted on 05/16/2013 12:42:01 PM PDT by dansangel (Rest in peace, .45MAN)
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To: archy

I like redneck LEO’s. City or County.

The police in TX always know that if they get in over their head, the locals can and will help.

I think I first realized it when the tower shooter in Austin was “occupied” by locals while the police made their way to top of the tower.


44 posted on 05/16/2013 1:23:53 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: archy

LOL! Yeah, that ought to get the job done all right.


45 posted on 05/16/2013 1:25:14 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: ConservativeInPA

I got done with a job for work today at about 8:30 so I decided to go to the Gander Mountain in Woodbury, MN. They opened at 9 am and there was a line of about fifteen people at the door. As soon as they opened the door everyone went directly to the ammunition area. I walked over to the gun counter and they had 12 calls from people asking if their ammunition shipment had come in yet on the phone. Their shipment was late and wouldn’t be in until about 11. So everyone emptied back out because the good calibers were gone.


46 posted on 05/16/2013 1:29:20 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Texas Fossil
Are they all like that? No, but many are.

I agree. It's those who are not that are a major concern.

And even those you know and trust might not treat others they don't know the way they would treat you.

47 posted on 05/16/2013 3:30:58 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama-Ville - Land of The Freebies, Home of the Enslaved)
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To: archy
Packed a Hk51 around for a few months in Ecuador.....great lap gun for cruising the napo river .....
48 posted on 05/16/2013 8:00:24 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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