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The amazing, shrinking Benghazi talking points
Hot Air ^ | 8:41 am on May 16, 2013 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 05/16/2013 9:19:30 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

The White House finally released the e-mail string that led to the creation of the talking points for the Benghazi terrorist attack that somehow completely missed the fact that it was a terrorist attack.  Did that succeed in having the Obama administration’s argument that it reflected the best intelligence at the time?  Not if you read page 57, in which everyone on the e-mail circuit was informed of this:



On Friday evening at 9:43 pm, the CIA acknowledged that ”FBI says AQ (not AQIM) was involved and they are pursuing that theory.  So we are not ahead of law enforcement now[,]” referring to an earlier concern that identifying this as a terrorist attack would interfere with the FBI’s investigation of the attack. However, almost immediately thereafter, even the more generic mentions of purposeful attacks involving Islamic extremists disappear from the talking points, which left Susan Rice with little more to offer than a demonstration involving a YouTube video — a video which, it should be pointed out, never gets mentioned in the e-mail string.

Who made that decision?  It’s difficult to say.  The CIA did a lot of the editing on the talking points, but as Politico notes, much of that was driven by State Department concerns about how the information would reflect on them:

As the number of people handling the Benghazi talking points grew, the amount of information the document offered shrank.

Emails and documents released by the White House Wednesday reveal an editing process that valued caution over comprehensiveness as officials worked to remove language that would have assigned blame for the attack or suggested ways the incident could have been prevented. The release also showed that the CIA, and not the State Department, made the decision to scrub references to al Qaeda, al Qaeda linked groups, and prior terrorist attacks in the region.

But the newly public email chains suggest it was the State Department that was most concerned about taking the blame for the attack. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland sought changes to the talking points that would shield the agency — then led by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton — from congressional accusations that it had failed to properly secure the post, given the unstable situation in that area.

At one point, Nuland even wrote to a chain of administration officials relaying her concern that the talking points could be used as a cudgel against the State Department.

Interestingly, Politico never picks up on the reference on page 57 that the FBI had already figured out that al-Qaeda was involved, and not the local branch/affiliate.  Neither, for that matter, does Jake Tapper at CNN.  Jon Karl doesn’t mention the FBI assessment on page 57, but does note another excised passage:

The emails confirm the ABC News report that the so-called “talking points” written by the CIA on the attack underwent extensive revisions – 12 versions – and that substantial changes were made after the State Department expressed concerns.

The early versions of the talking points, drafted entirely by the CIA, included references to the al Qaeda affiliate Ansar al-Sharia and to previous CIA warnings about terror threats in Benghazi. State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland expressed concerns about including those references in the talking points. …

The following sections were crossed out and removed from later drafts:

One official, whose name was redacted from the email chain, responded to the changes: “They are fine with me. But, pretty sure HPSCI won’t like them :-)” HPSCI refers to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, members of which had requested the talking points.

Stephen Hayes, another reporter whose work the White House wanted to refute, wrote later that the release confirmed his and Karl’s accounts:

The documents, first reported by THE WEEKLY STANDARD in articles here and here, directly contradict claims by White House press secretary Jay Carney and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that the revisions of those talking points were driven by the intelligence community and show heavy input from top Obama administration officials, particularly those at the State Department.

The emails provide further detail about the rewriting of the talking points during a 24-hour period from midday September 14 to midday September 15. As THE WEEKLY STANDARD previously reported, a briefing from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence shows that the big changes came in three waves – internally at the CIA, after email feedback from top administration officials, and during or after a meeting of high-ranking intelligence and national security officials the following morning.

The initial CIA changes softened some of the language about the participants in the Benghazi assault – from “Islamic extremists with ties to al Qaeda” to “Islamic extremists.” But CIA officials also added bullet points about the possible participation of Ansar al Sharia, an al Qaeda-linked jihadist group, and previous warnings about the deteriorating security situation in Benghazi. Those additions came out after the talking points were sent to “the interagency,” where the CIA’s final draft was further stripped down to little more than boilerplate. The half dozen references to terrorists – both in Benghazi and more generally – all but disappeared. Gone were references to al Qaeda, Ansar al Sharia, jihadists, Islamic extremists, etc. The only remaining mention was a note that “extremists” had participated in the attack.

As striking as what appears in the email traffic is what does not. There is no mention of the YouTube video that would become a central part of the administration’s explanation of the attacks to the American people until a brief mention in the subject line of emails coming out of an important meeting where further revisions were made.

Hayes notes that Hillary Clinton’s and Jay Carney’s attempts to shove the changes off onto the CIA were less than honest.  Mike Morell made the changes, but on the urging of State:

Carney, in particular, is likely to face tough questioning about the contents of the emails because he made claims to reporters that were untrue. “The White House and the State Department have made clear that the single adjustment that was made to those talking points by either of those two – of these two institutions were changing the word ‘consulate’ to ‘diplomatic facility,’ because the word ‘consulate’ was inaccurate,” he told reporters on November 28, 2012.

That’s not true. An email sent at 9:15 PM on September 14, from an official in the CIA’s Office of Public Affairs to others at the agency, described the process this way. “The State Department had major reservations with much or most of the document. We revised the document with their concerns in mind.”

That directly contradicts what Carney said. It’s also difficult to reconcile with claims made by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton during testimony she gave January 23 on Capitol Hill.

“It was an intelligence product,” she said, adding later that the “intelligence community was the principal decider about what went into talking points.” (See here for the original version of the talking points and the final one.)

The result? We have an unequivocal statement almost in the exact middle of the evolution of these data points that the FBI had already determined that the attack involved al-Qaeda, which shouldn’t have come as a surprise to anyone, considering that the attack took place on the anniversary of the original 9/11 attacks.  Yet the final product, pushed in large part by State, eliminated all but the most ambiguous of suggestions that extremists had conducted an attack.  The talking points as communicated on September 16th added in the YouTube video nonsense to which the administration clung through the funerals and Obama’s speech to the UN late in September before finally giving it up.

How did the YouTube video get added to the State Department presentation?  How did everyone manage to ignore the FBI’s investigative direction and produce talking points that suggested almost the total opposite?  Those are questions the HPSCI should ask, and demand answers.

Update: Eli Lake certainly noticed the FBI’s analysis, and also thinks the CIA is getting off too easy for its decision to trust the local militia for security.

TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: benghazi

1 posted on 05/16/2013 9:19:30 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: MestaMachine; TigersEye; Marine_Uncle; justa-hairyape; onyx; SunkenCiv; Grampa Dave; ...


2 posted on 05/16/2013 9:20:40 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

3 posted on 05/16/2013 9:21:58 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Boston has been shoved on the back burner. Obama ignored these bad muslim dudes...and the Russian warning...and we weren't supposed to find out the kid wrote Allah on the boat till when??

That's why Obama went to Boston. To control the press and other Putin calling him...

4 posted on 05/16/2013 9:25:57 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: All
Highlighting this:

As the number of people handling the Benghazi talking points grew, the amount of information the document offered shrank.

And why was that?
5 posted on 05/16/2013 9:26:46 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Sacajaweau
This turned up in FR Search:

Boston bombings suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev left note in boat he hid in, sources say

But your link seems worth posting.

6 posted on 05/16/2013 9:34:24 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Hillary was the first to use the "Youtube video" excuse.

10:38-39 p.m., 9/11/12. @StateDept tweets: " #SecClinton: I condemn in the strongest terms the attack on our mission in Benghazi today. #Libya" and "#SecClinton: We have confirmed one @StateDept officer was killed in #Libya. We are heartbroken by this terrible loss." Hillary Clinton issues a statement, saying, "I condemn in the strongest terms the attack on our mission in Benghazi today. As we work to secure our personnel and facilities, we have confirmed that one of our State Department officers was killed. We are heartbroken by this terrible loss. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family and those who have suffered in this attack." She adds: "Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind."

That was when Hillary herself took over the Cairo embassy Twitter account and personally posted. (anyone who thinks she wasn't directing the earlier Tweets is smoking something) That was at 10:38 PM Eastern Time. That would have been 4:38 AM Sept. 13th in Benghazi. About the time Woods and Doherty were making their last stand.


Benghazi - The Hillary Timeline

8:00 PM - Hillary Clinton calls Gregory Hicks.

10:00 PM - WH: Obama Called Hillary at 10PM on Night of Benghazi Attack. February 20, 2013

10:38 PM - Hillary Tweets apology for "anti-Mohammed video" from Cairo Twitter account.

7 posted on 05/16/2013 9:40:19 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Oh come on. Time magazine says all this attention to Benghazi is just a campaign scam. Joe Klein says Republicans REALLY don’t give a damn about national security.

8 posted on 05/16/2013 9:46:58 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“How did the YouTube video get added to the State Department presentation?”

Sneaking suspicion it had been a club in their bag for some time, and this was the “unplayable lie” (pun intended) that required this particular wedge to get them out of the trap (wow, the allusions just flow, don’t they? Golfing president, seems appropriate).

9 posted on 05/16/2013 9:50:47 AM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: jagusafr; TigersEye

See #7 for a nice timeline.

10 posted on 05/16/2013 9:54:08 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
All the attention on Amb. Price’s statements is meant to take away from answering the real questions:
1. Whey were there so many CIA in ben-Ghazi?
2. What was Stevens doing there?
3. Who issued the order to stand down/not go?
4. Why was Gen Ham relieved of duty?
5. What is the expected response time on these fast react teams?
6. Why were there no extra alert teams on 9/11?

Answer these and you might find out what you don't want to know.
Could it perhaps be that we were working an arms dealt supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and/or their connects?

11 posted on 05/16/2013 12:31:26 PM PDT by tbird-james (Why were there so many CIA in ben-Ghazi)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The plot just continues to grow. The White Hut and the DOS where up to their eyeballs in this scandal.

12 posted on 05/16/2013 2:41:29 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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