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The IRS Is Accessing Your Health Records. You Trust Them?
Forbes.com ^ | 5/14/2013 | Scott Gottlieb,

Posted on 05/16/2013 6:46:27 PM PDT by Mozilla

So how do you feel about turning over access to sensitive healthcare information to the Internal Revenue Service?

In the wake of running disclosures of the agency’s nefarious snooping and political targeting, its new role as chief health insurance enforcer should give us heartburn.

Under Obamacare, responsibility for verifying eligibility for the healthcare program, and monitoring whether you carry “qualifying” health coverage (and are exempt from the law’s penalties) falls principally to the IRS.

The IRS was given expansive, new powers to execute these goals. That includes more authority to share your personal information — not only about your income, but also your healthcare.

And the agency’s reach only grows: Former IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman told Congress last year that the agency would need another $13.1 billion to implement Obamacare in 2014, on top of the billion it has already spent.

Officials at the U.S. Treasury, the parent of the IRS, have estimated that the IRS now has about 700 full-time staffers working on Obamacare implementation.

Estimates say that eventually, the IRS will need a minimum of 5,000 and perhaps as many of 16,000 additional employees to carry out the new law’s many mandates.

The IRS is under fire this week, after its Director of Exempt Organizations Lois Lerner admitted on Friday that the agency targeted conservatives for special tax-exempt scrutiny during the 2012 election season. IRS targeted tea party types and groups that specifically opposed the Obama Administration.

This abuse should give everyone pause heading into the fall, when the IRS assumes the lead roll in monitoring what kind of health insurance we carry, whether we are eligible for Obamacare, or subject to the legislation’s myriad list of financial penalties.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: corruption; governmentabuse; govtabuse; healthcontrol; irs; obamacare; waronliberty
The IRS will play politics with Obamacare oversight. That's why they wear the arm bands with the swastika on them.
1 posted on 05/16/2013 6:46:27 PM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

Repo Men (2010) coming to Healthcare near you


2 posted on 05/16/2013 6:52:21 PM PDT by molson209
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To: Mozilla
The IRS Is Accessing Your Health Records

Can someone explain to me where they are accessing your health records other than the name of the insurance company? This wild claim is occurring in story after story and not one backs it up with the slightest shred of evidence.

3 posted on 05/16/2013 6:52:33 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Mozilla

This IRS thing is going to be a massive blow to the left’s sinister plans...I hope.


4 posted on 05/16/2013 6:54:14 PM PDT by toddausauras (FUBO x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)
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To: Mozilla

My progressive friends assure me that clearly the abuses at IRS have been brought to light and the perpetrators will be punished. This is prima facie evidence that healthcare is safe in the hands of IRS.

Well, actually they don’t. They just say I’m paranoid.


5 posted on 05/16/2013 6:56:59 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Mozilla

Impeachment File on Benghazi Coward B. Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, a legal citizen of the sovereign Nation of Indonesia.


6 posted on 05/16/2013 6:59:59 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Chaguito
I don't normally spread rumors, but I have a friend who works in the Cincinnati's Office of the IRS, and she told me the president has herpes!

She did not say where the lesions were. That was confidential.

7 posted on 05/16/2013 7:02:25 PM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: Mozilla

IRS is being sued in California for inappropriately 25,000? person’s medical records.


8 posted on 05/16/2013 7:09:51 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: molson209
You missed three payments in a row on your Jarvick-7 Sports heart and now I'm here to repossess it...
9 posted on 05/16/2013 7:11:49 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: steve86
I don't know....but, this does NOT make me feel comfortable....they have all THIS info, plus your soc sec #...means they CAN access your electronic health records which they are trying to get into one big database...

"According to American’s for Tax Reform, at a minimum, the form will need to contain: the name and health insurance identification number of the taxpayer; the name and tax identification number of the health insurance company; the number of months the taxpayer was covered by this insurance plan; and whether or not the plan was purchased in one of Obamacare’s “exchanges.”

10 posted on 05/16/2013 7:17:54 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Mozilla

11 posted on 05/16/2013 7:23:58 PM PDT by 4Liberty (Some on our "Roads & Bridges" head to the beach. Others head to their offices, farms, libraries....)
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To: Mozilla

The 16th Amendment is wrong. The IRS is wrong. ObamaCare is wrong. Three wrongs do not make a right.


12 posted on 05/16/2013 7:25:05 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: Mozilla

How many Useful Idiots does it take to change a Constitution...?


13 posted on 05/16/2013 7:34:14 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see)
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To: Mozilla

And we know who you are
And we know where you live
And we know there’s no need to forgive

NICK CAVE & THE BAD SEEDS - WE KNOW WHO U R LYRICS


14 posted on 05/16/2013 7:34:39 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (The number one enemy of liberalism is reality.)
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To: Mozilla
Remember this?

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) intends to purchase sixty Remington Model 870 Police RAMAC #24587 12 gauge pump-action shotguns for the Criminal Investigation Division. The Remington parkerized shotguns, with fourteen inch barrel, modified choke, Wilson Combat Ghost Ring rear sight and XS4 Contour Bead front sight, Knoxx Reduced Recoil Adjustable Stock, and Speedfeed ribbed black forend, are designated as the only shotguns authorized for IRS duty based on compatibility with IRS existing shotgun inventory, certified armorer and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts.

The IRS is becoming the Brown Shirts of the Democratic Party.

15 posted on 05/16/2013 7:50:20 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (The number one enemy of liberalism is reality.)
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To: toddausauras
This IRS thing is going to be a massive blow to the left’s sinister plans...I hope.

Thanks to the fact that most Rats don't *pay* taxes they love IRS agents.Most of those who *do* pay taxes are afraid of the IRS.IMO this is more likely to be a win/win for the Marxists.

16 posted on 05/16/2013 7:52:53 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Ben Mugged

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The Liberal Union Behind the IRS
The American Spectator ^ | 5/16/2013 | Jeffrey Lord

Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:46:52 AM by RoosterRedux

The IRS?

It’s about a union: the National Treasury Employees Union. The NTEU. A left-wing union representing 150,000 employees in 31 separate government agencies, including the IRS. A union that not only endorsed President Obama for election and re-election, but a union whose current president, Colleen Kelly, was a 14-year IRS agent and now is both union president and Obama administration appointee (of which more in a moment).

It’s about 94% of NTEU union contributions going to Democrats in the Senate and House in 2012 — candidates who campaigned as vociferous opponents of the Tea Party.

And the recently released report from the Treasury Inspector General? You will not find a single reference to the NTEU. Whose members are both player and referee in the exploding controversy over the IRS targeting of conservative groups.

Which raises the obvious question: how many NTEU members were involved in the writing of the Inspector General’s report?

Even more to the point, what contact — what coordination — has the Obama White House had with their allies in the NTEU leadership as both the White House and the NTEU race to get on top of a scandal that is rapidly engulfing both?

Did I mention that the NTEU has no comment on all of this? And that when President Obama went in front of cameras to make his statement on the IRS scandal — he never once mentioned his very powerful union buddies that have the run of the IRS? Right down to the control of who gets a Blackberry? Literally.

Let’s first see how the IRS/NTEU game with the Tea Party and conservatives is played, shall we?

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...

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17 posted on 05/16/2013 7:54:06 PM PDT by boxlunch
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To: Mozilla
The IRS and trust are mutually exclusive terms now that the IRS has become the ministry of truth enforcement wing of the obama regime. The damage has been done, and nothing can be done to regain the trust of the people in this organization.
18 posted on 05/16/2013 8:01:07 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: steve86

What? Have you ever heard of digital transfer of information? This isn’t paper we’re talking about. 10 years of a sick individual’s high-activity medical history can be transferred in mere seconds.


19 posted on 05/16/2013 8:02:46 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: steve86

There was an article in Forbes about a class action lawsuit emerging out of Florida. Have to find that but that’s as direct a source as I’ve seen.


20 posted on 05/16/2013 8:06:13 PM PDT by Frapster (There you go again...)
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To: Mozilla
The IRS Is Accessing Your Health Records. You Trust Them?

NO.


21 posted on 05/16/2013 8:09:36 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: toddausauras

If you are a conservative, it will take 3+ years of paperwork to get a family member’s surgery approved. Do you have any doubt they won’t abuse their power?


22 posted on 05/16/2013 8:14:07 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: steve86

Check that... California, not Florida.


23 posted on 05/16/2013 8:15:45 PM PDT by Frapster (There you go again...)
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To: Mozilla

This is good. Real good. Millions of middl-of-the-road readers will accept what Forbes.com has to say.


24 posted on 05/16/2013 8:15:55 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: steve86

The information is very, very easy to come by. There are clearing houses to which all claims are electronically submitted and then electronically transferred to insurance carriers based on that carrier’s electronic payor number. All information has become very standardized - patient, date of birth, ID number, address, name and date of birth of the insured, diagnosis code, procedure code, and providers NPI number which will lead you to the demographic and tax information on the provider themselves.

Major insurance carriers are now doing EFT’s (Electronic Funds Transfers) of all money to providers so they have access to the doctor’s bank name and account number.

This all started under Clinton with HIPAA and sold under the guise of protecting the confidentiality of patient’s health records.

All meds also have an assigned corresponding code number. Although not yet mandated, at some point in time doctors will also have to include the code numbers of all the meds their patient is taking when they bill Medicare. There is no reason to believe that this will not also be required for commercial insurance.

I work in this area every day. You would be amazed at how easy it is or will be to gain access to this information.


25 posted on 05/16/2013 8:24:45 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Mozilla

They are completely trustworthy.
We are as safe as if in Mom’s arms again.


26 posted on 05/16/2013 8:33:46 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: urbanpovertylawcenter

Perhaps we will also learn of all the “cosmetic” surgeries of members of Congress. Nancy Pelosi, one of many Frankensteins, of modern medicine will be an interesting case.


27 posted on 05/16/2013 8:43:29 PM PDT by madinmadtown (Marx, the patron saint of blame, envy and destruction.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
Have you ever heard of digital transfer of information?

No, I never have. Only worked in Fortune 500 IT and National Laboratory IT all my life.

So where's the evidence IRS is going to access your health history? Huh?

28 posted on 05/16/2013 8:47:05 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Grams A

None of that is new to me (as I said, worked in IT all my life and have always followed medicine due to my early career in neuropsychology).

I still don’t see the proof or even evidence IRS is going to access health records, nor what the point of that would be.


29 posted on 05/16/2013 8:50:31 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86

What’s the point of the IRS holding up 501c3 or 4 applications for conservative organizations? What’s the point of asking a zillion questions about members and Facebook posts and all the other things this administration has allegedly done????


30 posted on 05/16/2013 8:53:37 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: steve86

<< Can someone explain to me where they are accessing your health records other than the name of the insurance company? This wild claim is occurring in story after story and not one backs it up with the slightest shred of evidence. >>

IRS faces class action lawsuit over theft of 60 million medical records
http://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/irs-face-lawsuit-over-theft-60-million-patient-health-records


31 posted on 05/16/2013 8:58:35 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: petitfour

Obviously, to deny tax exempt status and exert political harassment on the applicants. That scandal has nothing to do with Obamacare.

I am asking for evidence that the IRS is going to access personal health histories to comply with ACA and what the point of that would be.

No one seems to be able to come up with that but instead conflates unrelated circumstances and asks rhetorical questions back.


32 posted on 05/16/2013 9:04:20 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86
"So where's the evidence IRS is going to access your health history? Huh?"

So where's the evidence IRS is going to stall (and ask you who you associate with and what your reading material is) your tax-exempt status for your non-profit tea-party organization? Huh?

33 posted on 05/16/2013 9:04:34 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Nita Nupress

I am familiar with that case.

However, that involved rogue agents acting on their own, illegally, not in purported compliance with some law.

People are trying to convince me (mainly authors writing vague and unsubstantiated talking points type articles) that Obamacare Act somehow mandates access by IRS of personal patient histories and implying there is some point in doing so.

References proving this gladly accepted, but please don’t forward additional articles conflating this or that with the unfortunate new health law.


34 posted on 05/16/2013 9:18:18 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Smokeyblue

Again, IRS agents might have walked on the moon but that doesn’t mean Obamacare legally requires them to walk on the moon. I’m asking for evidence — legal verbiage from ACA — that mandates or permits access of health histories. I’ll stay up another 10 minutes waiting for it. Thanks in advance.


35 posted on 05/16/2013 9:20:57 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86

You trust them?


36 posted on 05/16/2013 9:25:03 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: petitfour

I’m asking for legal evidence of the assertion. My feelings have nothing to do with it.


37 posted on 05/16/2013 9:27:31 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86

“The IRS was given expansive, new powers to execute these goals. That includes more authority to share your personal information — not only about your income, but also your healthcare.”

From the Forbes article. Ask them for details.

The point is that it doesn’t matter what the law says or does not say if they aren’t going to respect it to begin with.

The example is the criminal conduct coming to light right now regarding the IRS and their political witch hunt.


38 posted on 05/16/2013 9:30:40 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: steve86

It is my understanding that IRS is going to be the enforcement arm for Obamacare, particularly as far as determining who had coverage and since when.

Even though chart notes will have to accompany the billing form in the future, they really aren’t necessary because of the standardization of everything by code number so anyone with any snap can figure out what a patient is being seen for, providing the doctor/biller are truthful. I also am wary of the group in DC that is establishing standards of care based on age and diagnosis.

What’s the point? All depends on how evil the government is going to get. After the onset of Obamacare if a doctor reports $125,000 of income which is verified by the presence of 1099’s but has deposited $225,000 into their checking account, where has the other money come from? Co-pays or private pay patients who do not have any insurance? In the past checking account information was not so readily available. Now with EFT’s, it’s part of the data which is easily accessible.

Like the 1099 issue, neither IRS nor HHS nor any enforcement arm for Obamacare has a clue as to the amount of paper and data that is involved in all of this. I think the devil is in the details which Sect Sillibus is still writing.

The information is all there in the clearing houses now and even if we don’t end up with a single payor system, I can’t imagine that it will not be used for some devious purpose by the government.

My docs have used various credit card systems for years to allow patients to pay their co-pay via a credit card. Last year, for the first time, they each received a 1099 for everything the credit card company processed for them. Why was this requirement added onto another piece of legislation now?

There is or will be just too much standardized electronic data out there to be ignored by a government that wants to tax everything.


39 posted on 05/16/2013 9:41:36 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Mozilla

40 posted on 05/16/2013 9:43:23 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet)
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To: Mozilla
obama irs gestapo scandal conservative corruption    irs evil diabolical corrupt tyrants gestapo
41 posted on 05/17/2013 2:26:53 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: goodnesswins

I have access to some of the databases that the Feds use and they have amassed more info than most people probably realize; SSN, DOB, DL, address history (that goes back into the 80’s), phone numbers both cell and landlines, email addresses, criminal history, assets, family members, associated business entities, vehicles, property ownership, etc. I’m fairly some agencies have tied even more databases in like FINCEN data / bank accounts / financial info and NCIC. They’ve been assimilating this data using private contractors since the 90’s as far as I’m aware so the cat is already out of the bag. The people can petition on how the info is used though but bear in mind that the info is crucial and needed to pursue bad guys. If you take away complete access to it you will really be helping the criminals and probably see a great upsurge in crime once they realize prosecutions are nosediving because the investigators don’t have access to the tools they need to so it’s a two edged sword.


42 posted on 05/17/2013 3:30:30 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Mozilla; All

This is a trick question, right???

Where’sthe camera!!! HAHAHAHA

/sarc


43 posted on 05/17/2013 5:38:17 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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