Skip to comments.The IRS Is Accessing Your Health Records. You Trust Them?
Posted on 05/16/2013 6:46:27 PM PDT by Mozilla
So how do you feel about turning over access to sensitive healthcare information to the Internal Revenue Service?
In the wake of running disclosures of the agencys nefarious snooping and political targeting, its new role as chief health insurance enforcer should give us heartburn.
Under Obamacare, responsibility for verifying eligibility for the healthcare program, and monitoring whether you carry qualifying health coverage (and are exempt from the laws penalties) falls principally to the IRS.
The IRS was given expansive, new powers to execute these goals. That includes more authority to share your personal information not only about your income, but also your healthcare.
And the agencys reach only grows: Former IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman told Congress last year that the agency would need another $13.1 billion to implement Obamacare in 2014, on top of the billion it has already spent.
Officials at the U.S. Treasury, the parent of the IRS, have estimated that the IRS now has about 700 full-time staffers working on Obamacare implementation.
Estimates say that eventually, the IRS will need a minimum of 5,000 and perhaps as many of 16,000 additional employees to carry out the new laws many mandates.
The IRS is under fire this week, after its Director of Exempt Organizations Lois Lerner admitted on Friday that the agency targeted conservatives for special tax-exempt scrutiny during the 2012 election season. IRS targeted tea party types and groups that specifically opposed the Obama Administration.
This abuse should give everyone pause heading into the fall, when the IRS assumes the lead roll in monitoring what kind of health insurance we carry, whether we are eligible for Obamacare, or subject to the legislations myriad list of financial penalties.
(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...
If you are a conservative, it will take 3+ years of paperwork to get a family member’s surgery approved. Do you have any doubt they won’t abuse their power?
Check that... California, not Florida.
This is good. Real good. Millions of middl-of-the-road readers will accept what Forbes.com has to say.
The information is very, very easy to come by. There are clearing houses to which all claims are electronically submitted and then electronically transferred to insurance carriers based on that carrier’s electronic payor number. All information has become very standardized - patient, date of birth, ID number, address, name and date of birth of the insured, diagnosis code, procedure code, and providers NPI number which will lead you to the demographic and tax information on the provider themselves.
Major insurance carriers are now doing EFT’s (Electronic Funds Transfers) of all money to providers so they have access to the doctor’s bank name and account number.
This all started under Clinton with HIPAA and sold under the guise of protecting the confidentiality of patient’s health records.
All meds also have an assigned corresponding code number. Although not yet mandated, at some point in time doctors will also have to include the code numbers of all the meds their patient is taking when they bill Medicare. There is no reason to believe that this will not also be required for commercial insurance.
I work in this area every day. You would be amazed at how easy it is or will be to gain access to this information.
They are completely trustworthy.
We are as safe as if in Mom’s arms again.
Perhaps we will also learn of all the “cosmetic” surgeries of members of Congress. Nancy Pelosi, one of many Frankensteins, of modern medicine will be an interesting case.
No, I never have. Only worked in Fortune 500 IT and National Laboratory IT all my life.
So where's the evidence IRS is going to access your health history? Huh?
None of that is new to me (as I said, worked in IT all my life and have always followed medicine due to my early career in neuropsychology).
I still don’t see the proof or even evidence IRS is going to access health records, nor what the point of that would be.
What’s the point of the IRS holding up 501c3 or 4 applications for conservative organizations? What’s the point of asking a zillion questions about members and Facebook posts and all the other things this administration has allegedly done????
<< Can someone explain to me where they are accessing your health records other than the name of the insurance company? This wild claim is occurring in story after story and not one backs it up with the slightest shred of evidence. >>
IRS faces class action lawsuit over theft of 60 million medical records
Obviously, to deny tax exempt status and exert political harassment on the applicants. That scandal has nothing to do with Obamacare.
I am asking for evidence that the IRS is going to access personal health histories to comply with ACA and what the point of that would be.
No one seems to be able to come up with that but instead conflates unrelated circumstances and asks rhetorical questions back.
So where's the evidence IRS is going to stall (and ask you who you associate with and what your reading material is) your tax-exempt status for your non-profit tea-party organization? Huh?
I am familiar with that case.
However, that involved rogue agents acting on their own, illegally, not in purported compliance with some law.
People are trying to convince me (mainly authors writing vague and unsubstantiated talking points type articles) that Obamacare Act somehow mandates access by IRS of personal patient histories and implying there is some point in doing so.
References proving this gladly accepted, but please don’t forward additional articles conflating this or that with the unfortunate new health law.
Again, IRS agents might have walked on the moon but that doesn’t mean Obamacare legally requires them to walk on the moon. I’m asking for evidence — legal verbiage from ACA — that mandates or permits access of health histories. I’ll stay up another 10 minutes waiting for it. Thanks in advance.
You trust them?
I’m asking for legal evidence of the assertion. My feelings have nothing to do with it.
“The IRS was given expansive, new powers to execute these goals. That includes more authority to share your personal information not only about your income, but also your healthcare.”
From the Forbes article. Ask them for details.
The point is that it doesn’t matter what the law says or does not say if they aren’t going to respect it to begin with.
The example is the criminal conduct coming to light right now regarding the IRS and their political witch hunt.
It is my understanding that IRS is going to be the enforcement arm for Obamacare, particularly as far as determining who had coverage and since when.
Even though chart notes will have to accompany the billing form in the future, they really aren’t necessary because of the standardization of everything by code number so anyone with any snap can figure out what a patient is being seen for, providing the doctor/biller are truthful. I also am wary of the group in DC that is establishing standards of care based on age and diagnosis.
What’s the point? All depends on how evil the government is going to get. After the onset of Obamacare if a doctor reports $125,000 of income which is verified by the presence of 1099’s but has deposited $225,000 into their checking account, where has the other money come from? Co-pays or private pay patients who do not have any insurance? In the past checking account information was not so readily available. Now with EFT’s, it’s part of the data which is easily accessible.
Like the 1099 issue, neither IRS nor HHS nor any enforcement arm for Obamacare has a clue as to the amount of paper and data that is involved in all of this. I think the devil is in the details which Sect Sillibus is still writing.
The information is all there in the clearing houses now and even if we don’t end up with a single payor system, I can’t imagine that it will not be used for some devious purpose by the government.
My docs have used various credit card systems for years to allow patients to pay their co-pay via a credit card. Last year, for the first time, they each received a 1099 for everything the credit card company processed for them. Why was this requirement added onto another piece of legislation now?
There is or will be just too much standardized electronic data out there to be ignored by a government that wants to tax everything.
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