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The legitimacy of elections (IRS scandal calling 2012 election into question?)
RedState ^ | May 16, 2013 | John Hayward

Posted on 05/16/2013 9:39:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The worst possible outcome of the IRS scandal would see it growing large enough to call the legitimacy of the 2012 election into question.

Some people reading this might think it’s already reached that point. Others would say it could never reach that point. There is a case to be made that the American system would resist such an outcome, in a much broader sense than merely partisan Democrats in Washington and the media protecting Obama. Among other questions that would give us all pause: what would we do? Hold another election on short notice? Hand the Administration over to the people who lost the last election? Even if the worst comes to pass, there’s no practical remedy that the American political system would be able to swallow.

Once in a while, an entire government can be seen coming down in other countries, but it’s not something Americans – really, even those who most vigorously oppose Barack Obama – want to go through. The price paid in domestic and foreign policy disruption would be far too high.

On the other hand, as evidence of IRS oppression – there’s really no better word for it – against the President’s political opponents piles up, we have reason to wonder if the outcome of the election was swayed. The ability of the targeted groups to raise funds was compromised, and we all know the relationship between funding and political speech. There are widespread accounts of intimidation, from both the data gathered by those intrusive IRS questionnaires, and the fear of dire consequences if those questions were answered incorrectly. And there have been complaints of confidential IRS information being handed over to partisan operations, inflicting damage on the opposing candidate and his party that would be impossible to quantify with a precise number....

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; irs; obama
It may come, high price or no.
1 posted on 05/16/2013 9:39:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I had a horrible thought: that no matter how many people voted for Romney, the election was so thoroughly rigged he had no chance, absolutely none, of winning.


2 posted on 05/16/2013 9:43:38 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Too bad we can’t just have a vote of “no confidence”.....


3 posted on 05/16/2013 9:44:18 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not one single chance. The election is over. Even if you had irrefutable evidence that Obama had stuffed ballots and rigged voting machines, another election would not be held (although he could be impeached if he was found to have been directly involved).

Now’s not the time for pipe-dreaming. If you want to be realistically unrealistic, point out that there is a slim chance we replace Boehner with Steve King in congress. Obama and Biden are BOTH found to have been involved with the IRS targeting. They both get impeached, and we get a President King, instead of a president who acts like a king.

Right now though, the most likely outcome of all this is Barry and the Dems lose seats in the House and lose the senate in 2014.


4 posted on 05/16/2013 9:47:10 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

IRS oppression is one attack vector.

Deliberately overwhelming early voting procedures/facilitate vote fraud, is another vector.

Counting irregularities, another.


5 posted on 05/16/2013 9:51:16 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Viennacon

Don’t forget Harry Reid. He repeatedly claimed to have Romney’s tax records.


6 posted on 05/16/2013 9:52:24 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Quite possibly altered the election. But it’s hard to make a stink about it when the darned GOP itself was doing everything it could to pour cold water on the entire tea-party movement right after the 2010 mid-terms onward. Even FoxNews conspicuously dropped it like a rock, as if it had orders to do so. The outlawing of the very words “tea party” from being spoken at the GOP convention still angers the hell out me.


7 posted on 05/16/2013 9:54:02 PM PDT by greene66
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Time to push the FairTax!


8 posted on 05/16/2013 9:56:22 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: thecodont

“I had a horrible thought: that no matter how many people voted for Romney, the election was so thoroughly rigged he had no chance, absolutely none, of winning.”

I had that thought for months ahead of time. Some may remember that at one point long before election day, Nancy Pelosi guaranteed an Obama victory. There was something about her certainty and her smugness that sent a chill down my spine. I told my wife she was certain because she knew it was rigged. She also boldly asserted the Supreme Court would uphold Obamacare. I think she knew that was rigged, too.

While our side naively deals in good faith, Marxists and Muslim sympathizers are murdering our country.


9 posted on 05/16/2013 9:57:46 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Viennacon

Correct, there is only impeachment option now.
As much as it irks me, regardless of how he got elected, or re-elected, once he is given the Oath of Office the Kenyan is legally POTUS.

The House has only one opportunity to stop a fraud election or candidate, when they certify the Electoral College.

Obviously, the Founders did not want to make it too easy to bum rush a President.


10 posted on 05/16/2013 9:57:55 PM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: thecodont

BINGO!!


11 posted on 05/16/2013 10:05:19 PM PDT by free-n-TX
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To: thecodont
>" no matter how many people voted for Romney, the election was so thoroughly rigged he had no chance,

Remember Ohio? Romney was packing every event everywhere he went. Zippy couldn't 1/4 fill concert halls, even with concerts playing!


Potemkin theater is coming to a close.

12 posted on 05/16/2013 10:05:41 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Some key patrons of Richard Nixon urged him to contest the close 1960 presidential election when evidence of election fraud in Chicago and West Virginia surfaced. Nixon declined saying he did not want to create a constitutional crisis. Al Gore didn’t have any such qualms in 2000.


13 posted on 05/16/2013 10:15:36 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Treason.


14 posted on 05/16/2013 10:31:07 PM PDT by gasport (I ain't got no guns.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

[[The legitimacy of elections (IRS scandal calling 2012 election into question?)]]

Mmmm Hmmmm- good luck ghetting anyone in the press to cover that story or anyone on the republican side to lift a figner iunvestigatign that issue


15 posted on 05/16/2013 11:08:05 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Recall some PHL precincts voting 107% for Obama? Good times..... /s


16 posted on 05/16/2013 11:16:26 PM PDT by llevrok (2013: - Obama vs America. The new cold war)
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To: Viennacon
pubs could pick up the House and Senate IF the purists will vote them in....we have too many cry babies that if their candidate doesn't win the primary, they just will not support any other pub....

its a losers mentality and its very prevalent...

17 posted on 05/16/2013 11:22:54 PM PDT by cherry
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In Connecticut an explosive, tangled story is unfolding in District Court about a union chief paying off the campaign of U.S. Senator Chris Murphy

"Politics is about the Benjamins, "This game runs on one thing -- dollars,"Soucy told the Waterbury group and advised them to come up with $10,000 to give to Donovan's congressional campaign before the breakfast meeting "to show they were serious."

"We're dealing with politicians here, not the Mob,''

But who else leaves the money in a fridge?

18 posted on 05/16/2013 11:43:38 PM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: cherry
pubs could pick up the House and Senate IF the purists will vote them in....we have too many cry babies that if their candidate doesn't win the primary, they just will not support any other pub.... its a losers mentality and its very prevalent...

I tell you what is not very prevalent, and that is common sense. You can have your opinion, but then you have an a****** too. It means nothing unless you can support it. So don't go preaching to me and many others about something you have obviously not thought out, but merely parroting the betting line from the Republican elite.

Here is the idea: I vote for whom I believe will be best for out country, that is who will govern according to the oath he swore upon taking elected office, to uphold the constitution of the United States. If he doesn't make it, and there is no close second, then I don't play the election like I would bet on a football game, with odds and handicaps and whatever. I will wait for someone who I will place my trust in via my vote. I am not going to give me vote to someone according to some arcane formula so I can say that I was on the winning side. I don't mind being on the losing side if it is the right side. Apparently you have a hard time with this concept as evidenced by your snarky remarks. You might want to give this some more thoughts as it indicative of an unformed mind. If you are on FR there is no excuse for this.

19 posted on 05/17/2013 12:03:34 AM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*ou)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
obama irs gestapo scandal conservative corruption    irs evil diabolical corrupt tyrants gestapo
20 posted on 05/17/2013 2:19:53 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Daffynition
"We're dealing with politicians here, not the Mob,''

How can we tell the difference? I suggest there is no "mob" anymore, as the political class has supplanted them by providing a superior business model.

21 posted on 05/17/2013 2:22:53 AM PDT by abb
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To: cherry

We don’t need more RINO’s who will pass Democrat bills, we have too many of them as it is.


22 posted on 05/17/2013 2:25:58 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: abb

Follow the Benjamins....works every time.


23 posted on 05/17/2013 2:47:01 AM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As it should. Nothing, NOTHING gets passed or even presented in either chamber until this mess is undone. This is the last straw for me. NOTHING this government does matters, not funding, not foreign aid, not food stamps, not legislating and certainly not governing. NOTHING until the IRS is held accountable for their actions. The IRS is so entrenched in our system and our lives and they have crossed the line on public trust. If their is no integrity there, then we have lost. This makes me sick beyond words.


24 posted on 05/17/2013 3:05:38 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: thecodont

Why is anyone surprised? The pubes were in on it to by sitting on thier hands and refusing to do or say anything thing about it


25 posted on 05/17/2013 3:08:30 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Yesterdays conspiracies are todays truths)
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To: SueRae
NOTHING gets passed or even presented in either chamber until this mess is undone.

I like this idea. STOP, SHUTDOWN, and do nothing but investigate, hold trials, and clean it out. Park AF1 too. Make Obama sit his useless ass in the WH unless he's traveling just right down the street with his subpoena in his hand, off to testify.

26 posted on 05/17/2013 3:18:23 AM PDT by Big Giant Head
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To: eddie willers
Time to push the FairTax!

I'd rather push for Fair & Honest elections!

Yes, I like to dream

27 posted on 05/17/2013 3:27:27 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: .45 Long Colt

“While our side naively deals in good faith, Marxists and Muslim sympathizers are murdering our country.”

Frankly I’m amazed by the number of stupid, clueless conservatives who insist we must obey all the illegal dictates passed by the criminal fascist syndicate in Washington, while the fascists ignore all laws.

It’s a recipe for defeat.


28 posted on 05/17/2013 4:34:13 AM PDT by sergeantdave (No, I don't have links for everything I post)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Once in a while, an entire government can be seen coming down in other countries, but it’s not something Americans – really, even those who most vigorously oppose Barack Obama – want to go through.

Wrong. I'd like to see zero, holder and several others in prison garb. The sooner, the better.

29 posted on 05/17/2013 5:39:15 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: sergeantdave

Indeed

It’s way time for the various states to put their collective foot down. A coalition of red states must push back in unison.


30 posted on 05/17/2013 5:46:55 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It was known to be oppression from the beginning.

The partial realization is just now coming. The lies may or may not prevent full realization. Recognition of lies as lies is part of the full realization


31 posted on 05/17/2013 5:51:01 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hey stopping a free people from expressing political thoughts - and suppressing their right to assemble isn't against the law is it?

Well, not in third world totalitarian hellholes - or the United State as run by effing liberals... right? Thanks you suckups at the New York Times....

32 posted on 05/17/2013 5:58:37 AM PDT by GOPJ (Conservatives were Obama's victims, but unlike the press we were aware of it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This stuff goes on everywhere in the govt. I could write a book about what the DHS did to try to stall Mr GG2’s application for an import/export license to sell his patent to a friendly foreign country. They tried to force him to tell what political party he was affiliated with and which party he had made political donations to. It was so unbelievable I cannot tell you. We finally had to get a US Congressman involved and he got the shock wake up of his life when he had some conversations with these mid management level types.

Thanks to all the stall the contract expired and the whole deal fell through. If it was not for that congressman we would still be waiting for the license approval. Prior to Barry Soetoro being elected the approval for this license was through the Dept of Commerce. Now it has to go through 5 separate agency approvals.


33 posted on 05/17/2013 9:20:13 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We already knew there was significant fraud by the Democrats in 2012. I don’t believe they would have taken that risk for any reason other than to change the election outcome. That’s one of many reasons why I will not call the usurper by the title of the office he has stolen.


34 posted on 05/17/2013 9:25:05 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: .45 Long Colt

All this has made me wonder if John Roberts might also have received a visit by the IRS.


35 posted on 05/17/2013 11:08:42 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Here's a pipe-dream, but perhaps the 20th Amendment has wiggle room for replacing an administration by means other than succession?


Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.

Section 2. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.

Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

Section 4. The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.

Section 5. Sections 1 and 2 shall take effect on the 15th day of October following the ratification of this article.

Section 6. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission.


What if Congress were to find that the IRS scandal was so vast that it had clear material effect on Romney's rights? What if they were to further find that the IRS was also misused to coerce Roberts' vote on Obamacare?

If Obama and Biden were both to be impeached and removed, couldn't Congress decide that the better approach going forward is to declare that Obama/Biden failed to qualify in hindsight, but that their fraud was only exposed now? Therefore, finding that they never qualified in the first place, Congess will exercise its 25th amendment power to declare that the other candidate (who, let's not forget, won 50 million votes) is now president.

Sure, the Senate would balk at the idea. But they can't just waive away 50 million votes as if it had no bearing on the matter.

-PJ

36 posted on 05/17/2013 11:57:59 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: thecodont

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” - John F. Kennedy


37 posted on 05/17/2013 11:59:24 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

E-mail Sean Hannity, Michelle Malkin and Rush Limbaugh about it. They’re collecting stories from the folks on this.


38 posted on 05/17/2013 12:51:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: Political Junkie Too

What if using the IRS to affect Romney’s chance for election gave Romney “cause” to see Obama’s birth certificate?


39 posted on 05/17/2013 8:22:53 PM PDT by willyd
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