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The ‘Therapeutic Cloning’ of Human Embryos
National Review Online ^ | May 17, 2013 | Samuel Aquila

Posted on 05/17/2013 3:22:17 PM PDT by neverdem

The embryos killed are the first class of victims; the second class of victims will be the rest of us.

Oscar Wilde’s The Picture of Dorian Gray is the sort of timeless morality tale students read as an antidote, or at least an objection, to the hedonism that seems to follow naturally from youthful ideas about immortality.

The story is familiar to many: Dorian Gray is a narcissist who wishes that a portrait of him — his copy in paint — would age in his place. His wish comes true, and though his life is corrupted by a pursuit of pleasure, only his painted visage bears the effects. Dorian himself is visibly unscathed, though the novel’s fatal climax exposes a soul rendered ugly by a life of egoistic debauchery.

The Picture of Dorian Gray took on a particular prescience yesterday. Scientists at Oregon Health and Science University reported a successful incidence of cloning, one that relied on the same method that researchers used 17 years ago to clone Dolly the sheep. This week, the cloned embryos were not sheep; they were human beings. The work is heralded as the success of “therapeutic cloning.”

We will hear a lot about therapeutic cloning in the news this week. Researchers distinguish between “therapeutic cloning,” which creates embryos in order to harvest their stem cells, and “reproductive cloning,” which has the intention of a live birth. The Oregon researchers insist that theirs was not an act of “reproductive cloning.”

But the distinction is spurious. Both types of cloning are reproductive. Both bring a new human being into existence. In fact, so-called therapeutic cloning is the more heinous because the process is intended to create life, exploit it, and then destroy it.

Consider what the cloning breakthrough means. Scientists have discovered how to create perfect human copies, to be used for the sole purpose of growing tissue in the effort to combat disease, and then these copies will be destroyed. From a scientific perspective, this breakthrough could solve, among other problems, that of tissue rejection or a delay that renders organ transplant unfeasible. From the standpoint of materialism, there has been no greater advance in regenerative medicine. Through therapeutic cloning, a person’s health can be enhanced immeasurably — and only the copy, the embryo, will suffer the effects.

The problem is that the embryo is not merely a copy. The embryo is not an extension of the patient who donated the DNA, a cell bank to be utilized without consequence. The embryo, though genetically identical, is a new manifestation of human life, endowed by its very being with dignity. The embryo is a human being.

The humanity of the cloned embryo will be aggressively denied in the weeks to come. Though human life demonstrably begins at the embryonic stage of development, the created embryo will be presented as a collection of tissue, a biological tabula rasa from which organs can be grown. Scientists will seek more funding, and the Dickey Amendment, which prohibits federal funding for the creation of cloned embryos, will be attacked.

In 1968, Pope Paul VI warned in Humanae Vitae that the sexual revolution, beginning with a cultural acceptance of the contraceptive mentality, would lead to a wholesale denial of human dignity and the family. Now we are cloning embryos to destroy them. It will be only a matter of time before therapeutic cloning will cede to reproductive cloning. If we don’t seriously contemplate the ethical consequences of therapeutic cloning now, eventually cloned human beings will be born in America.

The “progress” of therapeutic cloning will not be victimless. But the victims will be hidden from sight, tucked away in the dark like Dorian’s decaying portrait.

The first class of victims, and the ones most pressing on our consciences, will be the embryos: brought into existence to be used, and then killed. If nurtured, as in a womb, these embryos would grow into fetuses, and then infants, and then children. They are, no matter their size, human beings. But because they are small and have no voice and offer such tremendous possibility, they will be ignored.

The embryos will be a class of human beings created only to be exploited and discarded.

The second class of victims will be the rest of us. We will be the ones remaining healthy and making progress and defeating disease — all by means of killing. We will be the ones who appear beautiful, while our souls embrace the most harrowing kind of social utilitarianism and darkness. If we ignore the problem, as we have done with contraception and abortion, we will only sink into a more violent depravity, like the one that befell vain Dorian Gray. We will be the ones whose portrait grows ever uglier, and who grow ever closer to madness.

— Samuel Aquila is archbishop of the Archdiocese of Denver, Colo.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cloning; moralabsolutes; ntesc; scntinoocytes
Just because you can clone like Dolly the sheep, doesn't mean that you should. Anyway, we have move than enough sheep! We need more sheepdogs.
1 posted on 05/17/2013 3:22:17 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I don’t approve of cloning whole humans. What I do approve of is gene manipulation so that we can grow the specific body part we need.

They can already grow an ear. If they can do that, what’s to stop them from growing organs eventually.

The promise of that is real, and would be amazingly beneficial.

Growing a being for use as a factory of sorts, no.


2 posted on 05/17/2013 3:31:15 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Before it's all over, Obama may demand extradition to Kenya, because he was born there...)
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To: neverdem

Humanae Vitae was way ahead of its time, propephetic & the Holy Spirit warning us.

What’s happening now with cloning & destruction of embryos is an abomination that will not go unpunished by God. We must reject this evil.


3 posted on 05/17/2013 3:31:36 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: DoughtyOne

What are you growing these organs from? Stem cells? From where? Embryos? If so, it’s the same damn thing.


4 posted on 05/17/2013 3:32:44 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: surroundedbyblue
I'm not sure how they did it, but they attached an ear to the back of a mouse. The ear grew all by itself there. That's not the same thing.

They didn't grow a body and discard the rest just because the needed an ear. They grew an ear.

Let's say you were in an accident and your ear was lost. With the right gene therapy, they could start an ear on your arm, and in a few months or however long it took, relocate it to where your ear should be. No harm, no fowl.

6 posted on 05/17/2013 3:39:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Before it's all over, Obama may demand extradition to Kenya, because he was born there...)
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To: neverdem

Parts are parts...


7 posted on 05/17/2013 3:39:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DoughtyOne

If you’re advocating the use of adult stem cells for such things, fine. But if I lost my ear & an embryo ad to die in order to grow me a new one, no thanks.

I suggest you inform yourself of the difference in stem cells.


8 posted on 05/17/2013 3:41:48 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Do you see a problem with using adult manipulated cells to do this? I don’t. I’m not advocating the use of embryonic stem cells.

Our bodies create and lose cells every day. If a cell is taken and used to help a person in need, I have no problem with it whatsoever.


9 posted on 05/17/2013 3:43:54 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Before it's all over, Obama may demand extradition to Kenya, because he was born there...)
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To: surroundedbyblue

You really need to calm down and quit looking for a dust up.

Where did I advocate for using embryonic stem cells? Oh that right, I didn’t.

You read my response, grew some big scandal in your head, and ran with it.


10 posted on 05/17/2013 3:45:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Before it's all over, Obama may demand extradition to Kenya, because he was born there...)
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To: neverdem

Has anyone seen the movie, “The Island” (which is a remake of the 1970’s sci-fi horror movie “The Clonus Horror”)?

Because that’s where this kind of thing will go. Cloning people in order to use the clones as a handy source of spare parts.


11 posted on 05/17/2013 3:51:07 PM PDT by MeganC (You can take my gun when you can grab it with your cold, dead fingers.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Um, no. Your post was not specific. I simply asked a question & in your response, you did not address what I asked. Instead you were vague, giving the reader the impression that you weren’t aware of the difference.

I see by your above post you are not embracing embryonic stem cell research. Very well, then. I agree.


12 posted on 05/17/2013 3:54:04 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

You are an ass. You made assumptions that were untrue, attempted to besmirch my character based on them, and then passed them off as reasoned when called on it.

You owe me an apology. I don’t expect to get it. You’ve already taken a pass on it at least once.


13 posted on 05/17/2013 3:59:46 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Before it's all over, Obama may demand extradition to Kenya, because he was born there...)
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To: DoughtyOne

I asked you a pointed question: are you supporting the use of embryos to grow parts. It took you several posts to make yourself clear. And I think you owe me an apology for calling me an ass. Sheesh


14 posted on 05/17/2013 4:03:22 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: Morgana

Humanae Vitae ping! You’ll enjoy this article!


15 posted on 05/17/2013 4:03:57 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: surroundedbyblue
I asked you a pointed question: are you supporting the use of embryos to grow parts. It took you several posts to make yourself clear. And I think you owe me an apology for calling me an ass. Sheesh

You didn't need to ask me any questions. If you were as smart and uber-intelligent as you thought you were, you would already have known that these types of things can be done without using embryonic stem cells.

I don't need to explain it to you bright path. You jumped to the wrong conclusion. You got called on it.

Now deal with it.

16 posted on 05/17/2013 4:06:11 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Before it's all over, Obama may demand extradition to Kenya, because he was born there...)
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To: surroundedbyblue
This was your question numb-skull.

What are you growing these organs from? Stem cells? From where? Embryos? If so, it’s the same damn thing.

It addressed more than the stem cell source didn't it. It address the premise that growing anything using stem cells was the same thing as growing a whole body.

Well no it isn't. And that's the significant part of that comment of yours, and that's what I addressed.

Hell, you can't even recognize your emphasis in your own comments.

17 posted on 05/17/2013 4:10:10 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Before it's all over, Obama may demand extradition to Kenya, because he was born there...)
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To: DoughtyOne
What I do approve of is gene manipulation so that we can grow the specific body part we need.

We don't even need to manipulate genes for that. We need a better understanding of how growth factors and hormones interact to cause the correct genes to turn on and off in the correct sequence to cause the desired body part to grow. Once we have that understanding (and we're getting there, slowly), then we will be able to harvest a patient's own stem cells to grow those replacement parts.

Right now, in labs, researchers are using various methods to grow functional replacement organs. A kidney that produces urine has been grown using stem cells. These techniques aren't usable for human medicine yet, but it's coming.

Moral issues aside, the idea of using an embryo as a source of stem cells has never made much sense to me. Cells of the early embryo are omnipotent--they can grow into any cell type or tissue. But adult stem cells are merely multipotent. Being more differentiated, they have a limited number of cell types or tissues they can become. If you want to clone a replacement organ, it makes more sense to use cells that only need a little tweaking to become what you want them to be, rather than cells that need major programming to do what you want.

18 posted on 05/17/2013 6:44:40 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom
 What I do approve of is gene manipulation so that we can grow the specific body part we need.

We don't even need to manipulate genes for that. We need a better understanding of how growth factors and hormones interact to cause the correct genes to turn on and off in the correct sequence to cause the desired body part to grow. Once we have that understanding (and we're getting there, slowly), then we will be able to harvest a patient's own stem cells to grow those replacement parts.
 
Not to be overly aguementative, but what you have described here IS gene manipulation.  Using growth factors and hormones to interact with and cause the correct genes to turn on and off in the correct sequence, is none the less gene manipulation.  We're on the same page with regard to what you stated above.  I do believe you have more narrowly focused the proper genes to use, and in that sense there wouldn't be AS MUCH manipulation.  I understand that.  I'm not an expert in this field, but I do try to read the articles that come my way enough to understand where we are and what may be available to us in the near future.

Right now, in labs, researchers are using various methods to grow functional replacement organs. A kidney that produces urine has been grown using stem cells. These techniques aren't usable for human medicine yet, but it's coming.

Yes it is coming, and I am very glad to know that.  Think of the wonders we'll see in the next twenty years.  I see a cascade effect, the first new techniques and cures coming slowing, but once we understand the process more, the follow-on cures will be fast and furious.  These are more of God's wonderful creations, that man will learn to exploit as he did higher yield crops and other advancements.  I'm sure He sees this as productive, and a benefit to mankind.  I sure do.

Moral issues aside, the idea of using an embryo as a source of stem cells has never made much sense to me. Cells of the early embryo are omnipotent--they can grow into any cell type or tissue. But adult stem cells are merely multipotent. Being more differentiated, they have a limited number of cell types or tissues they can become. If you want to clone a replacement organ, it makes more sense to use cells that only need a little tweaking to become what you want them to be, rather than cells that need major programming to do what you want.

At first I wasn't sure.  The public was led to believe the embryonic stems cells were wonders in the field.  As I learned more, I realized that was hogwash.  Today I don't think ESTs are all that great.  The adult stem cells ARE the way to go.  And as you stated, the specific ones (or genes, if you will) do seem more suited for our purposes.  If we were talking mutation, then stem cells from adults that are turned back into super cells (or whatever the proper term is) could be useful.  That's a whole other world with ethical challenges there.  As you state, having cells that already want to change into what we want them to, is a real head start, and more rational way to go IMO.

Thank you for your comments.

19 posted on 05/17/2013 7:43:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Before it's all over, Obama may demand extradition to Kenya, because he was born there...)
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To: DoughtyOne

As you try to be so clever, use a dictionary. The expression is “No harm, no foul.” Not fowl. Fowl is what you eat for dinner.


20 posted on 05/17/2013 9:36:17 PM PDT by Bravada (Wherever I Stand, I Stand With Israel!)
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Scientists Clone Human Embryos To Make Stem Cells The original article in Cell is linked.

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21 posted on 05/17/2013 10:03:22 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


22 posted on 05/17/2013 10:06:56 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: surroundedbyblue

Techniques can be used to revert ADULT cells into the sort of stem cells needed, which makes it completely ethical. No embryo needed!


23 posted on 05/18/2013 12:45:03 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (RIP City of Heroes and Paragon Studios, victim of the Obamaconomy.)
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To: Fire_on_High

Yes I’m aware. Thanks.

I don’t think embryos should EVER be used but it appears there are some in the scientific community that continue to push embryonic research. God’s wrath will visit us if we don’t stop this.


24 posted on 05/18/2013 2:54:46 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: DoughtyOne

What I was discussing was alteration of gene regulation. What I think of by “gene manipulation” is the alteration of nucleotide sequences (by adding, deleting, or changing their identity). If, for instance, my child were to die and I wanted to clone his replacement from one of his fetal cells that are still in my body, I would not need to manipulate any genes. I would just expose the recovered fetal cells to the proper growth factors and hormones to induce those cells to grow into a human being. But if I wanted green, blue, and red fluorescent clones of my child, I would definitely have to engage in some gene manipulation.

Actually, I kind of like the idea of fluorescent children. They would be easy to find in the dark by shining UV light on them. Excuse me while I go write a grant proposal to do this work...


25 posted on 05/18/2013 4:23:03 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Even if the scientists continue to ignore religious ideas, eventually they’ll get it through their heads which gets results and which grows tumors. If their intent is to cure things, the problem will solve itself just from that.


26 posted on 05/18/2013 5:32:02 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (RIP City of Heroes and Paragon Studios, victim of the Obamaconomy.)
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To: Fire_on_High

Any scientist who understands both cancer biology and fetal development could predict that injecting embryonic cells into a non-embryonic organism would have a high chance of causing tumors.

Long before it was reported that experiments with embryonic cells had resulted in tumors, I had posted here that I thought tumor growth was a significant risk and the biological mechanisms I thought would be responsible.

The problem is with scientists who presumably have the same knowledge base as I, but who let themselves be blinded by eagerness to give legitimacy to the abortion industry (in the belief that using murdered babies to save lives would make people more accepting of abortion), and eagerness to get the pots of grant money that would surely be available for this kind of research. I may be a scientist, but my foremost obligation is to be ethical in my science (whether the specific object of my ethical behavior is protected by law or not). I will never be unethical just because of grant money. And I have no desire to legitimize abortion.


27 posted on 05/18/2013 5:58:14 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Bravada

Yeah I do that once in a while. Oh well...


28 posted on 05/18/2013 7:25:13 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Before it's all over, Obama may demand extradition to Kenya, because he was born there...)
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To: exDemMom

I understand your point, and I’m not going to disagree.

When I think of the word manipulate, I think of it as taking action to cause something or someone to do something it wouldn’t have otherwise done.

Left alone these genes wouldn’t do what you want them to, so some action must be taken to get them to do what you want.

Thank you for your response.


29 posted on 05/18/2013 7:30:19 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Before it's all over, Obama may demand extradition to Kenya, because he was born there...)
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To: neverdem

Oregon Health and Science University


30 posted on 05/18/2013 9:58:23 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Oregon Health and Science University

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31 posted on 05/18/2013 9:59:46 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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