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Certification of Microstamping Technology (No Pistols for Sale in CA)
Bureau of Firearms ^ | May 17, 2013 | Kamala D. Harris (AG in CA)

Posted on 05/17/2013 6:58:34 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA

It appears microstamping is now the law in CA. (effective immediately) Read at the link. Seems like a typical Friday document dump from the fascists.

The purpose of this bulletin is to inform California licensed firearms dealers, California Department of Justice certified laboratories, firearm manufacturers with firearms listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale in California, and all other interested persons/entities of the Department of Justice’s certification on May 17, 2013 pursuant to Penal Code section 31910, subdivision (b)(7)(A) that the microstamping technology is available to more than one manufacturer unencumbered by any patent restrictions.

In 2007, Assembly Bill 1471 was passed and signed into law, requiring all semiautomatic pistols to be equipped with microstamping technology—“a microscopic array of characters that identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol, etched or otherwise imprinted in two or more places on the interior surface or internal working parts of the pistol, and that are transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired.” (Pen. Code, § 31910, subd. (b)(7)(A).) The legislation further provided that this requirement becomes effective when the Department of Justice “certifies that the technology used to create the [microstamp] imprint is available to more than one manufacturer unencumbered by any patent restrictions.” (Ibid.)

(Excerpt) Read more at oag.ca.gov ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
If understand this correctly, Ca just screwed the pooch. Either gun manufacturers will produce guns with microstamping technology and sell in Ca or it will not be possible to purchase a semi-auto pistol in Ca.

Watch Ny, Ct, Nj, Md, and Co fall in line.

This law is hideously stupid. The microstamping can be filed down. A firing pin can be replaced. Or you can simply shoot cases into a bag. Liberals are so effing stupid. By way, I have an extra Beretta 92fs firing pin for sale ($449). Just kidding.

1 posted on 05/17/2013 6:58:34 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA
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To: ConservativeInPA

“By way, I have an extra Beretta 92fs firing pin for sale ($449)”

Sell it on Amazon LOL


2 posted on 05/17/2013 7:00:19 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: marktwain

Ping


3 posted on 05/17/2013 7:01:38 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: ConservativeInPA

I haven’t missed the beaches in several years.


4 posted on 05/17/2013 7:03:48 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: ConservativeInPA
"This law is hideously stupid. The microstamping can be filed down. A firing pin can be replaced. Or you can simply shoot cases into a bag."

Or buy a revolver...

5 posted on 05/17/2013 7:06:35 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Following the issuance of the Department of Justice's certification, the provisions of Penal Code section 31910, subdivision (b)(7)(A) are in immediate effect. Therefore, to be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale in California, a semiautomatic pistol must be equipped with microstamping technology-i.e., a microscopic array of characters that identify the make, model, and serial number ofthe pistol, etched or otherwise imprinted in two or more places on the interior surface or internal working parts ofthe pistol, and that are transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired. (Pen. Code,§ 31910, subd. (b)(7)(A).) Semiautomatic pistols already listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale in California will remain on the roster and need not incorporate the microstamping technology provided that the firearms comply with Penal Code sections 32015, 32020, and 32030.

Read that as no new tech for Ca gun owners. Existing guns are grandfathered. It will be interesting to see how updates to existing pistols will be effected.

6 posted on 05/17/2013 7:10:38 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: ConservativeInPA

CA ComDem Insanity!


7 posted on 05/17/2013 7:14:38 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: ConservativeInPA

So, who exactly has this miraculous, fool proof, patent-free technology?


8 posted on 05/17/2013 7:22:10 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
So, who exactly has this miraculous, fool proof, patent-free technology?

I'm a little fuzzy on the patent part. I thought CalGuns owned the patent and wasn't sharing. Maybe there is a new patent of different design, and/or Obama's people in the Patent Office are not protecting IP.

9 posted on 05/17/2013 7:26:48 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: ConservativeInPA

This is BS! “If we don’t hang together, we will hang separately”.


10 posted on 05/17/2013 7:26:57 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

And to think, back in 1982 the voters of California turned down Proposition 15 which would have banned handguns in California.

Since that day the anti gunners have been working overtime trying to find ways around the will of the people.

Can’t ban handguns? limit magazine capacities, Ban certain frame metals. ban lead bullets. ban certain style features. Force new “drop tests” on them.
Now, require microstamping of all handguns! make it illegal to have a non microstamped firearm. Nibble, nibble nibble.

It never ends.


11 posted on 05/17/2013 7:29:04 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
This is as much about paperworking and captial-draining the manufacturers that have to adapt this and potentially sell a California Version and a Non-California Version.

Frig-Um, If I was a Hand-Gun Manufacturer I'd pull out of this market and any other that enacts this encroaching insanity.

12 posted on 05/17/2013 7:31:44 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: taildragger

Gun manufacturers are already paying a yearly extortion fee to CA to be on the gun roster, aka, Safe Gun List. What an effing oxymoron.


13 posted on 05/17/2013 7:34:34 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: Joe 6-pack

>> “Or buy a revolver...” <<

.
Or just put a dab of clear laquer on the base of the cartridge.

Anyone wishing to do something nefarious could do any number of things, thus the statute is feckless toward its stated purpose.

Criminals break laws without compunction daily.


14 posted on 05/17/2013 7:35:11 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: ConservativeInPA

I doubt that there ever will be a “straw that broke the camels back” in Californicate before universal government mandated involuntary servitude is implemented there.


15 posted on 05/17/2013 7:35:44 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (IRS/Obamacare Death Panels selection criteria ....Tea Party, Patriot, 9/12, Constitution,...)
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To: ConservativeInPA
AG in CA is one of Obama's people ... If Obama had a sista.

Obama says Kamala Harris is best looking AG

16 posted on 05/17/2013 7:46:57 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: ConservativeInPA
I don't own or plan to buy a semiauto handgun, but if a class action suit against the dystopic, Late Great State of California is organized, I would like to join, both nominally and financially.

The power to "register," as we are seeing currently with "the power to tax," is the power to destroy.

17 posted on 05/17/2013 7:50:06 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Do revolvers have to have microstamping too?


18 posted on 05/17/2013 7:50:30 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to detonate anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

And they thought the San Andreas was a major fault line...


19 posted on 05/17/2013 7:51:18 PM PDT by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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Microstamp THIS bitches!

20 posted on 05/17/2013 7:51:40 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Do revolvers have to have microstamping too?

My understanding is that the law in CA does not require microstamping on revolvers; only semi-automatic pistols. I haven't seen anything about semi-auto rifles, but I don't think CA hasn't seen a real modern rifle in years, at least those that have standard capacity magazines (30 rounds).

21 posted on 05/17/2013 7:54:59 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: ConservativeInPA
This law is hideously stupid. The microstamping can be filed down. A firing pin can be replaced.

Of course, they don't say how much new manufacturing equipment will cost for the privilege of doing business in CA. But I see a market for some entrepreneur to make microstamped firing pins with custom witty sayings on them, just like AR15 dust covers. :)

I wonder how much money, time, and paperwork has been spent on all those fired cases that must be sent to the police in those states that demand that? If they had even one "blind squirrel" success with that, they'd have touted it for weeks, and started a campaign for "voluntary" submission of empties from all guns.

22 posted on 05/17/2013 8:01:34 PM PDT by 300winmag (Whatever CAN go wrong has already happened. We just don't know about it yet.)
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To: publius911
I don't own or plan to buy a semiauto handgun

That is your choice, which I respect. My family (wife and daughters) and I own quite a few. They are fun to shoot and they are also excellent for self defense. They are not as easy to master as revolvers, but we shoot often. Reload time of a semi cannot be matched by a revolver. That is the major difference in self defense situations.

23 posted on 05/17/2013 8:01:55 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Do the idiots who came up with the law expect gang bangers to buy a pistol with microstamping registered to them and then use it in a crime?


24 posted on 05/17/2013 8:06:01 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
When you go to sleep a free man and wake up as a criminal without doing anything....that's the definition of tyranny
25 posted on 05/17/2013 8:07:21 PM PDT by Newbomb Turk ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Do the idiots who came up with the law expect gang bangers to buy a pistol with microstamping registered to them and then use it in a crime?”

You betcha! In their gang colors too.


26 posted on 05/17/2013 8:07:46 PM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Of course not. This is not about such things. It is about making the citizens more vulnerable and thus more dependent upon the almighty government nanny.


27 posted on 05/17/2013 8:08:20 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

If you are planning on committing a crime with it, you won’t buy a gun through normal chances.


28 posted on 05/17/2013 8:09:23 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Yes. That occurs at the first stop as they illegally cross the border.


29 posted on 05/17/2013 8:10:34 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Reload time of a semi cannot be matched by a revolver.

Speed loaders are pretty quick.

30 posted on 05/17/2013 9:19:06 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Don’t bet your life on that revolver reload time...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw


31 posted on 05/17/2013 9:34:19 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Carry_Okie

Yep, you just need to practice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgvCGcD-FAg


32 posted on 05/17/2013 9:42:37 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ConservativeInPA

Okay Kamilla. Feel free to tell us specifically what patent free technology you are talking about and demanding .

As it is you are being very vague about it and I don’t think it will stand a challenge gun.


33 posted on 05/17/2013 11:26:15 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Now, require micro-stamping of all handguns!

Be interesting to see someone test how the stamping works if say a coat of shellac was put over the primers.

34 posted on 05/18/2013 12:00:54 AM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

There appears to be some possible scam going on, as, the state of calif appears to have deemed that there are now two methods of microstamping available for use, thus, the microstamping law may now come into force. In the letter authorizing this, the state DOES NOT PROVIDE SOURCES FOR WHAT THESE MICROSTAMPING METHODS OR TECHNOLOGIES ARE.

as far as I know, no new microstamping technology has been introduced, and the deeming by the state seems to be just like what the government did with deeming obamacare passed.

in addition: FOR MICROSTAMPING TO BE EFFECTIVE, THE FIREARM, AND THE MICROSTAMPED SERIAL NUMBER, MUST BE REGISTARED TO THE OWNER - basically mandatory registration.

Therefore - it would be to everyone’s best interest, to push firearms manufactures to NOT PRODUCE MICROSTAMPED FIREARMS and drop the california market.

Why?...... because, once california gets away with microstamping and firearms registration, it will go nationwide....

think about it....


35 posted on 05/18/2013 12:16:48 AM PDT by backpacker_c
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To: ConservativeInPA

“Reload time of a semi cannot be matched by a revolver.”

WRONG!!!
Just cuz you can’t do it....


36 posted on 05/18/2013 12:39:56 AM PDT by RBK
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To: Blood of Tyrants

That’s the point. This is a multi-step process.

1. Create the illusion that the gun itself is dangerous.
2. Pressure honest people into freely giving up their guns
3. Pass laws making guns harder to get legally.
4. Ignore address the criminal with a gun issue.
5. Regardless of the real facts, always sensationalize gun violence to make it look worse than it actually is.
6. Convince the people that the government needs to do something about the violence.
7. Work to totally restrict all law abiding citizens of owning the means to protect themselves thus making the government able to enact whatever law they wish at the people’s blessing just in hope it makes them safer.

This goes one daily in many places.


37 posted on 05/18/2013 3:40:41 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: RBK
“Reload time of a semi cannot be matched by a revolver.” WRONG!!! Just cuz you can’t do it....

Since you want to get personal, I'd like to see you reload 15 rounds in your 6 round wheel as fast I can in my pistol. By the way, I have nothing against revolvers, I own a few.

38 posted on 05/18/2013 4:12:27 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: RBK

When I went to work for the Sheriffs department in 74 I carried a S&W Model 19. When I recieved my gold badge my brother who worked for the US Marshalls gave me a Colt Python and I carried it for a few years. I got pretty quick with the speed loaders. That old Python rides the ranch with me daily and I’ll bet I can still reload it pretty fast.


39 posted on 05/18/2013 4:18:57 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: ConservativeInPA

Lord knows I love my revolvers but it’s not about how fast you can reload any more, it’s more about not having to. The last duty weapon I carried before I quit the SO and went into the oil business was a Browning Hi-Power. I was pretty fast with the revolvers but I would still have to reload twice to keep up with the Hi-Power. Having to stop and reload puts one in a very dangerous position.


40 posted on 05/18/2013 4:30:40 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Dusty Road

In NY, the advantage of a high capacity, semi-auto pistol over a revolver has narrowed considerably now that we are limited to seven rounds in the magazine and one in the chamber. My every day carry weapon is a Ruger SP101 2.25” revolver with .357 in the wheel. Thanks to lots of practice, I can reload the revolver using a speedloader almost as fast as I can can switch out the magazine of my Springfield XD9 — without the risk of error. Indeed, for most civilian defensive situations, the error-free simplicity and knockdown power of a revolver makes up for the slightly slower reload time.

What do I mean by “error-free simplicity?” The unfamilier stress of a sudden life or death defensive encounter will increase the error rate and mistake factor no matter how perfectly we can switch magazines and resume fire when practicing at the range. With a semi-auto pistol, the magazine needs to be properly aligned for insertion into the grip with the head of the cartridge facing forward; the magazine needs to be fully inserted until it snaps into place; all safety devices (i.e., trigger, grip) need to be properly disengaged; a proper grip is essential to prevent stove pipes and other “FTE” jams; and each cartridge needs to be perfect so that the spent shell is properly ejected and the next cartridge is properly chambered. A revolver, in contrast, will go bang every time the trigger is pulled and the hammer falls on a live round. There are no safety devices to get in the way; stove pipes and other FTE jams due to limp-wristng are never an issue; and a defective cartridge is easily by-passed by pulling the trigger again.


41 posted on 05/18/2013 5:45:21 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos

I started with autos and now like revolvers.


42 posted on 05/18/2013 4:26:57 PM PDT by aimhigh (Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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To: Labyrinthos

I have had too many jams with with Semis and am switching over to revolvers in the near future. Just too much trouble and the maintenance is troublesome.


43 posted on 05/20/2013 7:11:30 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: buffaloguy; aimhigh
I can't say enough great things about the Ruger SP 101 2.25". Mine was sighted perfectly for a snubbie right out of the box and despite the short barrel, it is very accurate up to seven yards and accurate enough for what it is designed for -- personal defense -- out to 25 yards particularly when shooting .357 (.38 specials seem to shoot low). Although the SP 101 may seem heavy compared to the Ruger's superlight LCR revolvers (and similar lightweights from S&W), in my opinion, the extra weight is a minor inconvienence that allows me to shoot 50 rounds of full-powered .357 ammo at the range without shreading my hand.

Although some reviewers have indicated that the SP 101 snubbie is on the large end for concealed carry, I think that really depends upon the person. I'm 6'2"/210 lb. and conceal the SP 101 in the front pocket of my cargo shorts, chino pants, and suit pants using an Uncle Mike's pocket holster with the shirttails out or a sweater or sport/suit jacket for added cover. I also carry the SP 101 on the belt and IWB using a Simply Rugged Silver Dollar Pancake Holster.

44 posted on 05/20/2013 8:31:14 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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