Skip to comments.Certification of Microstamping Technology (No Pistols for Sale in CA)
Posted on 05/17/2013 6:58:34 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA
It appears microstamping is now the law in CA. (effective immediately) Read at the link. Seems like a typical Friday document dump from the fascists.
The purpose of this bulletin is to inform California licensed firearms dealers, California Department of Justice certified laboratories, firearm manufacturers with firearms listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale in California, and all other interested persons/entities of the Department of Justices certification on May 17, 2013 pursuant to Penal Code section 31910, subdivision (b)(7)(A) that the microstamping technology is available to more than one manufacturer unencumbered by any patent restrictions.
In 2007, Assembly Bill 1471 was passed and signed into law, requiring all semiautomatic pistols to be equipped with microstamping technologya microscopic array of characters that identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol, etched or otherwise imprinted in two or more places on the interior surface or internal working parts of the pistol, and that are transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired. (Pen. Code, § 31910, subd. (b)(7)(A).) The legislation further provided that this requirement becomes effective when the Department of Justice certifies that the technology used to create the [microstamp] imprint is available to more than one manufacturer unencumbered by any patent restrictions. (Ibid.)
(Excerpt) Read more at oag.ca.gov ...
Watch Ny, Ct, Nj, Md, and Co fall in line.
This law is hideously stupid. The microstamping can be filed down. A firing pin can be replaced. Or you can simply shoot cases into a bag. Liberals are so effing stupid. By way, I have an extra Beretta 92fs firing pin for sale ($449). Just kidding.
“By way, I have an extra Beretta 92fs firing pin for sale ($449)”
Sell it on Amazon LOL
I haven’t missed the beaches in several years.
Or buy a revolver...
Read that as no new tech for Ca gun owners. Existing guns are grandfathered. It will be interesting to see how updates to existing pistols will be effected.
CA ComDem Insanity!
So, who exactly has this miraculous, fool proof, patent-free technology?
I'm a little fuzzy on the patent part. I thought CalGuns owned the patent and wasn't sharing. Maybe there is a new patent of different design, and/or Obama's people in the Patent Office are not protecting IP.
This is BS! “If we don’t hang together, we will hang separately”.
And to think, back in 1982 the voters of California turned down Proposition 15 which would have banned handguns in California.
Since that day the anti gunners have been working overtime trying to find ways around the will of the people.
Can’t ban handguns? limit magazine capacities, Ban certain frame metals. ban lead bullets. ban certain style features. Force new “drop tests” on them.
Now, require microstamping of all handguns! make it illegal to have a non microstamped firearm. Nibble, nibble nibble.
It never ends.
Frig-Um, If I was a Hand-Gun Manufacturer I'd pull out of this market and any other that enacts this encroaching insanity.
Gun manufacturers are already paying a yearly extortion fee to CA to be on the gun roster, aka, Safe Gun List. What an effing oxymoron.
>> “Or buy a revolver...” <<
Or just put a dab of clear laquer on the base of the cartridge.
Anyone wishing to do something nefarious could do any number of things, thus the statute is feckless toward its stated purpose.
Criminals break laws without compunction daily.
I doubt that there ever will be a “straw that broke the camels back” in Californicate before universal government mandated involuntary servitude is implemented there.
The power to "register," as we are seeing currently with "the power to tax," is the power to destroy.
Do revolvers have to have microstamping too?
And they thought the San Andreas was a major fault line...
Microstamp THIS bitches!
My understanding is that the law in CA does not require microstamping on revolvers; only semi-automatic pistols. I haven't seen anything about semi-auto rifles, but I don't think CA hasn't seen a real modern rifle in years, at least those that have standard capacity magazines (30 rounds).
Of course, they don't say how much new manufacturing equipment will cost for the privilege of doing business in CA. But I see a market for some entrepreneur to make microstamped firing pins with custom witty sayings on them, just like AR15 dust covers. :)
I wonder how much money, time, and paperwork has been spent on all those fired cases that must be sent to the police in those states that demand that? If they had even one "blind squirrel" success with that, they'd have touted it for weeks, and started a campaign for "voluntary" submission of empties from all guns.
That is your choice, which I respect. My family (wife and daughters) and I own quite a few. They are fun to shoot and they are also excellent for self defense. They are not as easy to master as revolvers, but we shoot often. Reload time of a semi cannot be matched by a revolver. That is the major difference in self defense situations.
Do the idiots who came up with the law expect gang bangers to buy a pistol with microstamping registered to them and then use it in a crime?
“Do the idiots who came up with the law expect gang bangers to buy a pistol with microstamping registered to them and then use it in a crime?”
You betcha! In their gang colors too.
Of course not. This is not about such things. It is about making the citizens more vulnerable and thus more dependent upon the almighty government nanny.
If you are planning on committing a crime with it, you won’t buy a gun through normal chances.
Yes. That occurs at the first stop as they illegally cross the border.
Speed loaders are pretty quick.
Don’t bet your life on that revolver reload time...
Yep, you just need to practice.
Okay Kamilla. Feel free to tell us specifically what patent free technology you are talking about and demanding .
As it is you are being very vague about it and I don’t think it will stand a challenge gun.
Be interesting to see someone test how the stamping works if say a coat of shellac was put over the primers.
There appears to be some possible scam going on, as, the state of calif appears to have deemed that there are now two methods of microstamping available for use, thus, the microstamping law may now come into force. In the letter authorizing this, the state DOES NOT PROVIDE SOURCES FOR WHAT THESE MICROSTAMPING METHODS OR TECHNOLOGIES ARE.
as far as I know, no new microstamping technology has been introduced, and the deeming by the state seems to be just like what the government did with deeming obamacare passed.
in addition: FOR MICROSTAMPING TO BE EFFECTIVE, THE FIREARM, AND THE MICROSTAMPED SERIAL NUMBER, MUST BE REGISTARED TO THE OWNER - basically mandatory registration.
Therefore - it would be to everyone’s best interest, to push firearms manufactures to NOT PRODUCE MICROSTAMPED FIREARMS and drop the california market.
Why?...... because, once california gets away with microstamping and firearms registration, it will go nationwide....
think about it....
“Reload time of a semi cannot be matched by a revolver.”
Just cuz you can’t do it....
That’s the point. This is a multi-step process.
1. Create the illusion that the gun itself is dangerous.
2. Pressure honest people into freely giving up their guns
3. Pass laws making guns harder to get legally.
4. Ignore address the criminal with a gun issue.
5. Regardless of the real facts, always sensationalize gun violence to make it look worse than it actually is.
6. Convince the people that the government needs to do something about the violence.
7. Work to totally restrict all law abiding citizens of owning the means to protect themselves thus making the government able to enact whatever law they wish at the people’s blessing just in hope it makes them safer.
This goes one daily in many places.
Since you want to get personal, I'd like to see you reload 15 rounds in your 6 round wheel as fast I can in my pistol. By the way, I have nothing against revolvers, I own a few.
When I went to work for the Sheriffs department in 74 I carried a S&W Model 19. When I recieved my gold badge my brother who worked for the US Marshalls gave me a Colt Python and I carried it for a few years. I got pretty quick with the speed loaders. That old Python rides the ranch with me daily and I’ll bet I can still reload it pretty fast.
Lord knows I love my revolvers but it’s not about how fast you can reload any more, it’s more about not having to. The last duty weapon I carried before I quit the SO and went into the oil business was a Browning Hi-Power. I was pretty fast with the revolvers but I would still have to reload twice to keep up with the Hi-Power. Having to stop and reload puts one in a very dangerous position.
In NY, the advantage of a high capacity, semi-auto pistol over a revolver has narrowed considerably now that we are limited to seven rounds in the magazine and one in the chamber. My every day carry weapon is a Ruger SP101 2.25” revolver with .357 in the wheel. Thanks to lots of practice, I can reload the revolver using a speedloader almost as fast as I can can switch out the magazine of my Springfield XD9 — without the risk of error. Indeed, for most civilian defensive situations, the error-free simplicity and knockdown power of a revolver makes up for the slightly slower reload time.
What do I mean by “error-free simplicity?” The unfamilier stress of a sudden life or death defensive encounter will increase the error rate and mistake factor no matter how perfectly we can switch magazines and resume fire when practicing at the range. With a semi-auto pistol, the magazine needs to be properly aligned for insertion into the grip with the head of the cartridge facing forward; the magazine needs to be fully inserted until it snaps into place; all safety devices (i.e., trigger, grip) need to be properly disengaged; a proper grip is essential to prevent stove pipes and other “FTE” jams; and each cartridge needs to be perfect so that the spent shell is properly ejected and the next cartridge is properly chambered. A revolver, in contrast, will go bang every time the trigger is pulled and the hammer falls on a live round. There are no safety devices to get in the way; stove pipes and other FTE jams due to limp-wristng are never an issue; and a defective cartridge is easily by-passed by pulling the trigger again.
I started with autos and now like revolvers.
I have had too many jams with with Semis and am switching over to revolvers in the near future. Just too much trouble and the maintenance is troublesome.
Although some reviewers have indicated that the SP 101 snubbie is on the large end for concealed carry, I think that really depends upon the person. I'm 6'2"/210 lb. and conceal the SP 101 in the front pocket of my cargo shorts, chino pants, and suit pants using an Uncle Mike's pocket holster with the shirttails out or a sweater or sport/suit jacket for added cover. I also carry the SP 101 on the belt and IWB using a Simply Rugged Silver Dollar Pancake Holster.
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