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Washington gets explicit: its 'war on terror' is permanent
The Guardian ^ | May 17, 2013 | Glenn Greenwald

Posted on 05/17/2013 11:03:03 PM PDT by Altariel

Senior Obama officials tell the US Senate: the 'war', in limitless form, will continue for 'at least' another decade - or two

Last October, senior Obama officials anonymously unveiled to the Washington Post their newly minted "disposition matrix", a complex computer system that will be used to determine how a terrorist suspect will be "disposed of": indefinite detention, prosecution in a real court, assassination-by-CIA-drones, etc. Their rationale for why this was needed now, a full 12 years after the 9/11 attack:

Among senior Obama administration officials, there is a broad consensus that such operations are likely to be extended at least another decade. Given the way al-Qaida continues to metastasize, some officials said no clear end is in sight. . . . That timeline suggests that the United States has reached only the midpoint of what was once known as the global war on terrorism."

On Thursday, the Senate Armed Services Committee held a hearing on whether the statutory basis for this "war" - the 2001 Authorization to Use Military Force (AUMF) - should be revised (meaning: expanded). This is how Wired's Spencer Ackerman (soon to be the Guardian US's national security editor) described the most significant exchange:

"Asked at a Senate hearing today how long the war on terrorism will last, Michael Sheehan, the assistant secretary of defense for special operations and low-intensity conflict, answered, 'At least 10 to 20 years.' . . . A spokeswoman, Army Col. Anne Edgecomb, clarified that Sheehan meant the conflict is likely to last 10 to 20 more years from today - atop the 12 years that the conflict has already lasted. Welcome to America's Thirty Years War."

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Russia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: gwot; iran; kineticaction; russia; unitedkingdom; waronterror; washington; workplaceviolence; wot

1 posted on 05/17/2013 11:03:03 PM PDT by Altariel
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To: Altariel

That pesky “terrorism” thing just won’t go away. It makes me wonder what actually causes it. Any ideas?


2 posted on 05/17/2013 11:08:48 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Altariel

It will last long enough so that the people who lived in freedom will have died, and the people living will have known nothing else.


3 posted on 05/17/2013 11:10:37 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

Outstanding point.


4 posted on 05/17/2013 11:12:46 PM PDT by doc1019 (There is absolutely no difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion.)
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To: Altariel

I just wonder when ‘dissent’ or “asserting Constitutionally protected rights” will become a marker for ‘terrorism suspect’... oh, right it already happened with that DHS report on Right Wing Extremism.


5 posted on 05/17/2013 11:22:45 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Altariel

Immigration was the tool the left used to destroy us, it not only created voters for their goals, but created the “permanent” problems that 1970 Americans never dreamed of, and the “permanent” changes required to deal with these new problems that were totally alien and impossible in 1970 America.

We could always have spurts of something among ourselves as we continued improving and growing, always advancing, but who could have dreamed of importing to the level of being colonized, the actual peoples of the violent third world and Islam?

America stopped advancing decades ago, now we are decaying, and changing into something base and primitive, ugly, unrecognizable, yet the immigrants will continue to come by the millions, the tens of millions, the hundreds of millions, because we are still at a level which their own cultures will never achieve.


6 posted on 05/17/2013 11:37:25 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
That pesky “terrorism” thing just won’t go away. It makes me wonder what actually causes it. Any ideas?

Bush's fault! He told us this would happen. We should never occupy. We should use missiles and air power to flatten, level, sink, crush our enemy's might. Then airdrop small arms to rebel groups and let them sort out their society. After a couple of examples are made, our enemies will stay clear of us.

7 posted on 05/17/2013 11:51:24 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: Altariel
First the WOD declared 50% of American Citizens criminals.

Now the WOT is going for the other 50.

8 posted on 05/18/2013 12:09:49 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: Altariel

The war on terror? What a joke.

More Americans are TERRIFIED of the IRS and EPA than of any rag-headed group from the sand-pile.

Hitler had the Gestapo....we have the IRS and EPA.

Now, that’s true terror.


9 posted on 05/18/2013 3:43:21 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Altariel

In practical terms this is Cold War catch up. During the CW, for propaganda reasons, the Soviet Union spent billions of dollars to convince the rest of the world that the CIA was omnipotent and omniscient. But the irony was that this persuaded many troublemakers to not make trouble in the first place.

While the overt and covert WoT has done much to attack the actual Islamist fighters, it has made the glaring omission of not assassinating the instigators, financiers, and other powerful supporters of terrorism.

Anywhere in the world, if an Imam spouts off about attacking America, his days should be numbered. Properly, it should look like an accident, to the point where their superstition engages, that “talking smack about the US is very bad luck.”

The same applies to Saudi princelings, radical Pakistani madrassas schools, and quite a laundry list of people who would not be missed.


10 posted on 05/18/2013 3:49:39 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Altariel

Islam has been at war with the US since the days of the Barbary pirates when we were a fledgling nation. The USA has only recognized we are in a battle for our lives which will last as long as Islam is a viable force.


11 posted on 05/18/2013 5:12:17 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Altariel
Obama, taking from others with no experience to be president is the terror.
12 posted on 05/18/2013 5:13:52 AM PDT by Vision (We are not descended from fearful men)
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13 posted on 05/18/2013 5:18:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Altariel
Last October, senior Obama officials anonymously unveiled to the Washington Post their newly minted "disposition matrix", a complex computer system that will be used to determine how a terrorist suspect will be "disposed of": indefinite detention, prosecution in a real court, assassination-by-CIA-drones, etc.

14 posted on 05/18/2013 5:22:29 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: elpadre

The assumption that Islam is in view is a tad naive at best.

Every Freeper is likely on some terrorist list or watchlist.


15 posted on 05/18/2013 5:25:48 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
The "War on Terror" is a permanent feature of foreign policy. We cannot deal with it because we refuse to recognize it for what it is, the current iteration of Islam's war against the rest of the world. We will have it to fight until we understand that we must deprive the Islamic countries and leaders of the resources to fight the war. We have to quit showering them with wealth. If we must have their oil then we must colonize the oil lands and take the oil.

To Moslem societies wealth beyond enough to support a tiny ruling class in splendor and the population in bare subsistence must and will be used to conquer, enslave, convert, and/or kill all the non mohamedans in the world. It has been thus for 1400 years and will not change now.

Understanding this and fighting this war as if we mean to survive, i.e. cutting off the money and inflicting total military defeat on the strongest and or most belligerent saracen entity- Iran at the moment- will get a respite for Civilization, but even then will not win it for all time. To do that Islam would have to be expunged.

The war of Islam against the world will end when all the world is Mohammedan or no one is.

16 posted on 05/18/2013 5:31:43 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: ansel12

Water seeks its own level.If barriers are not maintained the detritus of the third world will flow to the locus of wealth until the wealth is evened out, until there is only third world. It will be evened out to a thin stratum of extreme wealth and power and 99% bare subsistence, very like the ideal Mohammedan world.


17 posted on 05/18/2013 5:35:23 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Terrorism is a tactic. The cause of the troubles of the present world is ISLAM and the excess wealth which has been acquired by the saracen countries. Moslem lands are quiescent so long as they possess just enough wealth to support a tiny ruling class in splendor and a population at bare subsistence. When conquest or theft and selling of resources gains the paynim more than that minimum the excess goes to- must go to- conquest and jihad in order to acquire more wealth which then feeds into jihad. The West is currently financing both sides of the 1400 year old Islamic War and is fighting what amounts to rear guard defense of retreating civilization because the West deliberately chooses to misidentify the enemy and refuses to attack the root of the problem.
18 posted on 05/18/2013 5:44:04 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: arthurus

“we have always been at war with Eastasia”


19 posted on 05/18/2013 6:06:21 AM PDT by montaine
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To: montaine

Actually, no. War in East Asia much more resembles classic international war. East Asian interests have hitherto been restricted to East Asia. Islam’s invincible interest is in total Islamification of the world.


20 posted on 05/18/2013 6:12:57 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: arthurus

“we have always been at war with Eastasia”


The phrase noted is from the book 1984 by George Orwell.

It is a mythical country that the war always was being fought and we were always winning even though it had been going on forever.

East Asia that you mention is confusing the passage with an actual geographical location....not the one written about in the year 1946.


21 posted on 05/20/2013 4:30:20 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Altariel

If it began in 1993, it has been ongoing for 20 years.

The legacy war on terror warriors get no support from above but can’t be fired


22 posted on 05/20/2013 4:40:56 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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