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Gun control: Cartridge ID law to take effect (Kalifornia)
SFGate ^ | May 17, 2013 | Bob Egelko

Posted on 05/18/2013 5:43:40 AM PDT by Second Amendment First

A hotly contested gun-control law that was passed in 2007 is finally ready to be implemented, Attorney General Kamala Harris said Friday: a requirement that every new semiautomatic handgun contain "micro-stamping" technology that would allow police to trace a weapon from cartridges found at a crime scene.

The law, signed by then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, made California the first state to require micro-stamping, which engraves the gun's serial number on each cartridge. But the legislation specified that it would take effect only when the technology was available and all private patents had expired.

The gun owners' group Calguns Foundation tried to forestall the law at one point by paying a $555 fee in an attempt to extend a patent held by the inventor, who wanted it to lapse. Gun manufacturers said the technology was expensive and ineffective, and a National Rifle Association lawyer has threatened a lawsuit.

But at a Los Angeles news conference Friday, Harris announced that micro-stamping had cleared all technological and patenting hurdles and would be required on newly sold semiautomatics, effective immediately.

"The patents have been cleared, which means that this very important technology will help us as law enforcement in identifying and locating people who have illegally used firearms," Harris said.

Attorney Benjamin Van Houten of San Francisco's Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence said the announcement should send a message to other states, the Obama administration and the gun industry that "this is the future and it's really critical to helping law enforcement solve gun crimes."

Implementation of micro-stamping "moves California to the forefront of the nation in combatting gun crime," said the law's author, former Assemblyman Mike Feuer, D-Los Angeles, who attended the news conference and is running for city attorney.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
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To: Second Amendment First

Hey, so ALL of the semi-auto inventory, currently in CA is now available to the rest of the country?

Well....except D.C., Chicago, NYC, and other communist enclaves....


41 posted on 05/18/2013 8:03:31 AM PDT by G Larry (Darkness Hates the Light)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Revolvers, unlike those evil and dangerous automatic pistols that kill children, do not spew hundreds of spent cartridges per minute.

Please search youtube for Jerry Miculek before making such astounding claims. /s

42 posted on 05/18/2013 8:07:21 AM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: Gaffer

“If this were to be implemented I’d buy and unmarked replacement for all my pistols”

You underestimate the creativity of bureaucrats when it comes to control.

“We have the right to inspect your pistols to ensure the mark matches the one on the card we issue you, to be renewed annually, for a significant fee, because you can’t put a price on safety. If they don’t match when we check we immediately confiscate your weapon, and charge you a felony, and because you are now charged with a felony, we’ll confiscate the rest of your weapons. We reserve the right to spot check any time. We’ll even make it convenient for you and come to your house to do it.”


43 posted on 05/18/2013 8:11:55 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Second Amendment First

Once he signs it all gov’t agencies will treat it as ratified. It will be effectively law.


44 posted on 05/18/2013 8:12:49 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (President Obma; The Slumlord of the Rentseekers)
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To: RFEngineer

The ones they have a record of, possibly. Those others not recorded via 4473s are another story. Aside from that, any politician in Georgia who tries to pull that crap is a goner come next election day.


45 posted on 05/18/2013 8:17:28 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

“Aside from that, any politician in Georgia who tries to pull that crap is a goner come next election day.”

Elections are another thing bureaucrats really don’t care about.

“The ones they have a record of, possibly.”

Hello Mr. Gaffer, we have you on video checking the price of .45 ammunition at the local Wal-Mart. We don’t seem to have a record of you owning any .45 caliber handguns, so you don’t mind if we come in and look around do you? You do? What have you got to hide? This is for public safety, we were just being polite by asking, please step aside.

Again, hypothetical, but technically, this is all part of the capability of the surveillance state if they simply tie systems together and exploit the data.


46 posted on 05/18/2013 8:28:23 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Second Amendment First

Microstamping is the cousin to “Ballistic Fingerprinting” - remember that unworkable chimera?

I have a better idea - make the tire companies put the automobile’s Vehicle Identification Number on every tire so the crime scene treads can be traced - same logic.

Actually, what is at work here is “If we can’t ban ‘em, let’s make it so expensive to sell ‘em here, it will work out the same.”


47 posted on 05/18/2013 8:35:10 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Second Amendment First

How does that help law enforcement finding a criminal wielding a stolen firearm? Answer it doesn’t

It’s all posturing BS by the phony baloney left!


48 posted on 05/18/2013 8:48:09 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (A Strong Man Armed who guards his home, lives in peace.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Why do people say it won’t work on revolvers?


49 posted on 05/18/2013 9:32:07 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Second Amendment First

Exactly my thoughts. How easy is it to pick up brass at the range and keep around for future use? Geez, the defense attnys were just handed all kinds of reasonable doubt.


50 posted on 05/18/2013 9:32:19 AM PDT by ScottinSacto
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To: Second Amendment First

I assume they would only notice an altered firing pin with criminals after catching the criminal on a real charge. I have no doubt though that they would check decent citizens just like the man arrested in New York for having nine rounds in a magazine during a traffic stop.


51 posted on 05/18/2013 9:57:35 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Stop making the cops exempt. Gun makers needs to start putting pressure on the cops also.


52 posted on 05/18/2013 11:14:48 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Gaffer

I bet you that a few passes over a whettstone would get rid of those marks without affecting the usefulness of the firing pin.


53 posted on 05/18/2013 12:20:21 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: stuartcr

It would work the same on a revolver. It’s just that a revolver does not spew empty casings around like a pistol does. Therefore no evidence that can be traced to a particular firearm. If you empty the cylinder on your revolver you can easily pocket the spent cartridges while reloading. Easier than searching for a dozen that have bounced all over and under the landscape.


54 posted on 05/18/2013 12:59:01 PM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

That’s what I thought, but some make it sound otherwise. Thanx


55 posted on 05/18/2013 2:07:20 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Travis McGee; Second Amendment First; Myrddin
We certainly have been witnesses of the decline for some time now, haven't we?

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

56 posted on 05/18/2013 2:15:50 PM PDT by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: Joe Brower

Yes we have. My Tyranny Response Team shirt rests in a box in my basement. Used it a couple times in Denver and San Diego in 2000. No need for it in Idaho. My vote as a conservative in CA was a flea fart in a hurricane. Idaho reflects my values and benefits from the fruits of my labor.Voting with my feet and wallet.


57 posted on 05/18/2013 4:38:28 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: ScottinSacto
Exactly my thoughts. How easy is it to pick up brass at the range and keep around for future use? Geez, the defense attnys were just handed all kinds of reasonable doubt.

My first thought was to go to a range frequented by police using their personal weapons.

58 posted on 05/18/2013 6:30:12 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: headstamp 2
Not a single weapon should be sold to any California government agency ever again. They should be boycotted by all manufacturers.

As a matter of principle, I agree. Won't do any good though. The Chinese or Euros will gladly sell to them.

59 posted on 05/18/2013 8:12:04 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
Once he signs it all gov’t agencies will treat it as ratified. It will be effectively law.

Clinton signed Kyoto, the traitor, and noone treated it as if it were binding.

60 posted on 05/18/2013 8:18:40 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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