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Russian Bombers Perform Simulated Strikes on Sweden, U.S.
The New American ^ | 5/17/2013 | Christian Gomez

Posted on 05/18/2013 7:52:52 AM PDT by IbJensen

On May 6, Russia received its first shipment of Sukhoi Su-34 twin-seat fighter-bombers (known by NATO as "Fullback"). The Su-34 is the newest generation of fighter-bombers intended to replace the outdated Soviet-era Sukhoi Su-24s.

While the modernization of the Russian Air Force may — and rightfully so — raise a few eyebrows of concern, this alone is not sufficient cause for alarm. Russia’s recent air force maneuvers are, however.

On the night of March 29, 2013, two Russian Tupolev Tu-22M3 bombers (known by NATO as "Backfires"), escorted by four Russian Sukhoi Su-27 fighters (known by NATO as "Flankers") passed extremely close to Swedish airspace and simulated an aerial "attack" on Stockholm and southern Sweden. The Tu-22M3 is a new supersonic long-range bomber capable of delivering nuclear weapons to overseas targets.

The six Russian aircraft flew dangerously close to Swedish airspace, roughly 20 miles from Sweden’s territorial borders, according to Business Insider.

While Russian military aircraft flying over the Baltic has become routine since Russian President Vladimir Putin restored the old Soviet-era long-range strategic flights in 2011, what makes this particular flight so concerning was Sweden’s lack of readiness. The Swedish Air Force was caught off guard and failed to respond.

The flights occurred on Good Friday at around 2 a.m. local time. Business Insider reported that “at least two JAS-39 Gripen should always be in a QRA (Quick Reaction Alert) and ready for take off in case of alarm, but quite surprisingly there were no interceptors ready on Good Friday night.”

Instead of Swedish fighters, two Danish F-16 fighter jets under NATO command intercepted and escorted the Russian planes safely away from Sweden’s borders.

While Sweden may be grateful to Denmark’s Royal Danish Air Force, this raises serious concerns over Sweden's ability to repel and/or deter aggression against its national borders. This incident also raises concerns over the increased belligerence on the part of Russia.

Massive military reductions to the Swedish Armed Forces may account for the air force’s lack of readiness. During the 1980s, the Swedish Air Force was comprised of 20 squadrons and over 400 planes. Today, it posseses no more than four squadrons and less than 150 planes. Meanwhile Russia increased its military spending 16 percent in 2012, primarily on new weapons systems and the modernization of outdated military hardware.

A month later, on the night of April 28, two Russian Tupolev Tu-95 (known by NATO as "Bear-H"; shown, above) long-range heavy nuclear bombers “were detected flying into the military’s Alaska Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) near the Aleutians, where a strategic missile defense radar is located,” according to the Washington Free Beacon.

Again, the Russian bombers did not penetrate Alaskan or U.S. airspace, but they did fly dangerously close to it, prompting two U.S. F-22 fighter jets to scramble from Elmendorf Air Force Base. Bill Gertz of the Washington Free Beacon writes, “The dispatch of F-22s is an indication the bomber flights posed a potential threat to U.S. territory. It was the fifth incident of Russian strategic bombers flying against the United States since June, when Bear bombers were intercepted near Alaska during a large-scale Russian strategic nuclear exercise that Russian military officials said involved practice strikes against U.S. missile defense sites in Alaska.”

On February 12, two of the same class of Russian Tu-95 Bear-H strategic bombers flew over and encircled Guam. This also prompted a quick U.S. deployment of F-15s to intercept and escort the Russian bombers away from U.S. airspace.

Although Putin announced to the world that Russia would conduct such flights in 2011, two Russian Tu-95 bombers made a round-trip surprise “visit” to Guam in 2007 for the first time since the alleged end of the Cold War.

“Who told you that the Cold War was ever over? It transforms; it is like a virus,” said Russian KGB/FSB defector Sergei Tretyakov in an interview with FOX News in 2009.

In 2007, Russian President Vladimir Putin reiterated the continuation of the Cold War by threatening the West with a “new spiral in the arms race.” In Putin’s KGB eyes the Cold War never ended; it is ongoing. Meanwhile, the West applauds Putin as a close ally on the War on Terror. With allies like Putin are enemies really necessary?


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cowardlymuslimpres; enemiesoftheusa; israel; lousyusgovernment; military; obama; obamasfault; russia; sweden
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Any danger of a war with Russia could have been averted in 1945 if General Patton had been allowed to chase the Red Army out of Germany and Eastern Europe back to the USSR. A great time to have done it as the US forces were primed and ready while the Russkies were weakened and their defences worn to a frazzle. Not only would German scientists been spared a life of slaving for the communists and hundreds of US soldiers been spared a life in the gulags and miserable deaths because the US government wouldn't dare call attention to the evil captivity by their precious ally.

There would have been no emboldened communist China, hence no Korean War.

No Vietnam.

And no being jerked around by the worthless muslim arabs!

1 posted on 05/18/2013 7:52:52 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: All

Russian parade glorifies the Soviet Union.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/15382-russian-victory-day-parade-glorifies-soviet-union


2 posted on 05/18/2013 7:54:23 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen

I am concerned that Obama prolonging all these scandals and coverups will embolden our enemies. I expect if the scandals continue as news for months, we will see foreign activity taking advantage of our weakened state. Of course, Obama was weak before we knew of Benghazi, IRS, or the AP or EPA or DHS or HHS scandals.


3 posted on 05/18/2013 7:57:53 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: IbJensen

Anticipating the day when Obama gets our nukes down to zero.


4 posted on 05/18/2013 7:59:59 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: IbJensen

What makes you think that would have been so easy? Given the problems we had with the Germans (even as their Reich was collapsing), chasing the Russians back to the USSR would have been very difficult indeed.

A better, more bloodless strategy would have been to wait till Japan surrendered and then given Stalin a nuclear ultimatum.


5 posted on 05/18/2013 8:03:42 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: rbg81

Won’t take that long...the flexibility puts us in Putin’s palm...they are working “together!”


6 posted on 05/18/2013 8:04:50 AM PDT by Shady (Abolish The IRS and Obamacare...it isn't going to cure anything...)
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To: rbg81

7 days in May the Obama way


7 posted on 05/18/2013 8:09:03 AM PDT by molson209
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To: IbJensen
This incident also raises concerns over the increased belligerence on the part of Russia.

Whenever America has a weak, paper-tiger of a President who's capable of doing nothing (other than giving speeches with the aid of a teleprompter) that's when the enemies of FREEDOM feel emboldened and act in the ways of Putin's Russia.

Want this crap to stop? Don't elect Hitlery during the 2016 elections. Yes, it's that simple. America needs a STRONG President who speaks out unapologetically for FREEDOM around the world.

8 posted on 05/18/2013 8:12:27 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: IbJensen

Wars are fought for economic reasons, not political ones. The United States has not been involved in any wars in the past century that didn’t start without the full approval and backing of every major banker in the USA.

“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer. [The New World Order] cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United States to change it’s perceptions. “
Henry Kissinger
Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel,
April 19th 1994.

Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.” — Henry Kissinger

“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.” — David Rockefeller - New World Order globalist


9 posted on 05/18/2013 8:14:34 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: B4Ranch

Our nation’s media give voice to those who would feel a tingle up their leg if this nation were pounded into submission then folded into a New World Order. Our worthless political class and the now emasculated military would march along like good little soldiers even if they marched into hell!


10 posted on 05/18/2013 8:18:10 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: usconservative

That strong leader needs to surface....NOW!


11 posted on 05/18/2013 8:18:51 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen
like they ever could have won without the MASSIVE support from the USA... feh
12 posted on 05/18/2013 8:21:02 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: PghBaldy

Obama is not weak. The problem is he is not an American in any way that matters. He is an international socialist who loathes America’s past and is fundamentally transforming America, just like he told us he would. He is an agent of one-world totalitarianism, doing what he can. He and Putin and all the other dictators are on the same team.

His job is to crush what remains of traditional, historic Americanism. That means us.

Since his forces control nearly every aspect of government and education, the outlook is bleak indeed, because his forces are churning out social liberals by the millions, and importing unamericans as fast as possible.

Time is running out.


13 posted on 05/18/2013 8:21:34 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: rbg81; IbJensen

rbg81 ~:” Anticipating the day when Obama gets our nukes down to zero.”

Speaking of Zero ..
with Russia rearming it bomber fleet for the Cold War..
Do you know where the nearest Civil Defense bomb shelter is located ?

I went to my nearest Civil Defense shelter to find that it was now the town adminstrative file dump
There were No supplies , not even for a hurricane
Obviously, with our nuclear deterent in decline , we , as a country , are vulnerable .
We have forgotten the lessons of the 60’s , 70’s and 80’s ..
and Russia has shown us that to ignore the lessons of the past,
we are destined to repeat the past .


14 posted on 05/18/2013 8:25:37 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: IbJensen

History is never as clean as you want it to be. If this happened then this would have happened is like trying to predict the temperature a month away. If one set of problems was solved another would soon enough crop up.


15 posted on 05/18/2013 8:46:35 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: IbJensen

Russian thugs bully the weak - and help their friends. Kind of like our IRS...

The Russian people know what it’s like to live with a boot on their faces - so do American conservatives... Putin bullies us - the IRS bullies us... Obama wants to destroy the Bill of Rights - so does Putin. Putin doesn’t believe in a free press - either does Holder.


16 posted on 05/18/2013 8:50:23 AM PDT by GOPJ (Conservatives were Obama's victims, but unlike the press we were aware of it.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

There is, posted under the Wanted Posters, and the usual government flotsam, an old civil defense bulletin left over from the Cuber-Kennedy Missile Crisis.

It says to put your head down far enough to kiss your backside goodbye.

Many thanks to a government that allowed this nation to be in this colossal predicament. Let’s keep him in office as long as we possibly can because electing an unknown, illegitimate negro as president was a marvelous experiment.

This ‘experiment’ has cost us a perfectly good nation (albeit somewhat tarnished by the millions of murdered babies, etc. etc.) and relegated America to far down the heap amongst the African and banana republic countries. We are, in effect, a banana republic without the bananas.

“If you love your country, you are a patriot. But if you love your government, you are an idiot”

If this be what you term as treason, make the most of it you imbecilic, lop-earned, anti-American phony asshat!


17 posted on 05/18/2013 8:52:11 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen

Russian thugs bully the weak - and help their friends. Kind of like our IRS...

The Russian people know what it’s like to live with a boot on their faces - so do American conservatives... Putin bullies us - the IRS bullies us... Obama wants to destroy the Bill of Rights - so does Putin. Putin doesn’t believe in a free press - either does Holder.

It’s not the old days - when we had a country we could love... now it’s ‘our hellhhole’ is still better than their hellhole... Yeah, that’s worth fighting for...


18 posted on 05/18/2013 8:52:20 AM PDT by GOPJ (Conservatives were Obama's victims, but unlike the press we were aware of it.)
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To: IbJensen
Ivan flexing his muscle, is nothing new. What is new is the current occupant of the White House is Putin's bit@h.

5.56mm

19 posted on 05/18/2013 8:54:29 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: IbJensen

I suppose remorse over using the atom bomb hadn’t set in yet, either, so Stalin would have had to consider it a real possibility within a very short time after V.E.Day.


20 posted on 05/18/2013 8:55:09 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: GOPJ

At least Putin can be counted on to look after the best interests of Russia.


21 posted on 05/18/2013 8:57:44 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: GOPJ

When the nation lurchingly slouches into true communism, just think how adventurous that will be!

Being careful not to say anything against the fearless leader and his fearless politburo. Being watchful against incursions by Amerika’s version of the KGB and the NKVD. Looking over our shoulders and being helpless against attacks by roving gangs of evildoers who are in the image of the fearless leader.

Never criticizing homosexual behavior or the lynching and raping of honkys by the exalted Muslims and our new Sharia Law.

We can joke and laugh about what’s happening in this nation now and humorously speculating about our future, but it’s just whistling as we walk past the cemetery.


22 posted on 05/18/2013 8:58:55 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: gusopol3

The communist killer never had a workable atomic bomb until long after Potsdam.


23 posted on 05/18/2013 8:59:58 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen
The Red Army in 1945 was one of the worlds largest, in sheer numbers. To attack it and try and defeat it would have been suicide. America was pretty well spent by 1945. Seven war bond drives, an entire country working non-stop, a two ocean war and the American people themselves weary of war. To have started another war with a nation that was an ally would have been a disaster.
24 posted on 05/18/2013 9:00:29 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: IbJensen

Good points...unfortunately both FDR and Truman had man-crushes on Stalin.

Patton could have taken Moscow in months. Soviet troops already knew their fellow soldiers who were German POWs were being executed by Stalin when they returned to the USSR....so the resistance would have been light. Heck FDR aided Stalin with the executions by making the US turn over Soviet POWs to the USSR


25 posted on 05/18/2013 9:00:30 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: IbJensen

The reports of the end of the cold war have been greatly exaggerated. Everytime Russia is down on her knees the USA picks her up and sends foreign aid her way.

The wall came down, Russian Tanks rolled through the streets, but did not fire on Yeltsin or the demonstrators when he demanded that Gorby be released, many signs that communism was on the ropes in Russia.

However, what did the west think-all those communists just converted overnight, and there was no more risk? Apparently, the jounalists thought so. They went around talking about the peace dividend, the end of the cold war, and acted like there would never be a conflict to report on again because all was peace and light in the world.

Meanwhile, the world was a much more dangerous place, because the economic disintegration of Russia lead to an uncertainty over control of nukes, the KGB changed its name and pretended not to exist, and the thugs became richer than ever as they lined their pockets with aid from the USA(borrowed from China and other countries).

So while the cold war may have subsided a bit, I never thought it was over, just that some major battles had been won. The death blow was never delivered. JMHO


26 posted on 05/18/2013 9:01:43 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: jmacusa

Au contraire, mon ami.

(A little French lingo there to show my deep affection for little froggies.)

American forces were not spent and there were battalions of troops in reserve. Russia was never an ally except, perhaps, in the rheumy eyes of the diseased Roosevelt who thought Uncle Joe an excellent and jovial good chap.

Walter Reuther, that good communist labor leader, journeyed to Europe several times to encourage the troops to press their leaders both in the field and in Congress to send them speedily to CONUS. Walter didn’t want his Soviet masters to have to suffer an ignominious defeat at the hands of the suckers who pumped bucks and munitions into their murderous hands.

The Russian soldiers had had enough of Stalin as the tales as to what had happened to their comrades who were captured by the Germans reached their ears. They were executed upon their return as Stalin realized that they might find their captors much nicer than their evil government.

So. I stand atop a pile of books written on the subject when I say to you, and others, that the US would have beat the hell out of the demoralized Russkies.


27 posted on 05/18/2013 9:10:17 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: reg45
At least Putin can be counted on to look after the best interests of Russia.

I agree with you.

Putin didn't come to power in a free country - then work at destroying those freedoms. Putin didn't squander Russia's wealth - he did his best to build wealth for the Russian people. Thuggy systems were already in place in Russia - he didn't work to add more...

And, as you say reg45, Putin loves his country. Which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for our 'elite' democrats.

28 posted on 05/18/2013 9:11:09 AM PDT by GOPJ (Conservatives were Obama's victims, but unlike the press we were aware of it.)
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To: IbJensen

I should have elaborated— I mean Stalin would have had to think about Moscow as the next Hiroshima.


29 posted on 05/18/2013 9:11:16 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: WesternCulture

How come the Swedish airforce didn’t respond to this? I remember a year ago you saying how Sweden, by itself without any assistance from NATO, could defeat Russia. I am surprised Moscow is not suing for surrender following a major strike by Stockholm. After all, even with Russia’s nuclear weapons you were quite adamant that Sweden could swat the Ruskies off like old flies. What happened here?


30 posted on 05/18/2013 9:15:40 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: IbJensen

We simulated shooting their bombers down with a few Raptors.

LLS


31 posted on 05/18/2013 9:19:43 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: GOPJ
Putin bullies us - the IRS bullies us... Obama wants to destroy the Bill of Rights - so does Putin.

Putin may be a thug, but he is no longer a communist.

Remember, right after Obama was elected the first time, Putin wrote a letter, published in Pravda, warning the USA "NOT to go down the road to communism, because that is what had destroyed Russia"?

Maybe Putin is rattling his swords because he is now afraid of the spread of communism back to Russia from the USA.

Funny how things turn about. I would now welcome invading Russians as an army of liberation, and would be serving them up all the Vodka I have. A couple of decades ago, I'd have been fighting them.

32 posted on 05/18/2013 9:23:34 AM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: IbJensen

They always have and so have we, so what’s the big deal?


33 posted on 05/18/2013 9:26:06 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: IbJensen; usconservative; B4Ranch; ecomcon; Tilted Irish Kilt; GOPJ
In terms of geopolitics things are definitely looking interesting. Not because the Russians flew bombers near Sweden, but rather due to the overhang of events that have been occurring. Russia is obviously in a stronger place now than it has been in decades from an economic and military perspective. More importantly though, the rise of China bodes huge impact due to the fact that China, as it is now not to mention how it will be in the next 15 years, would have made the Soviet Union at its peak jealous. The world is becoming increasingly multi-polar, the Russians have learned from the mistakes of the USSR, and the Chinese have learned from the mistakes of the USA.

In my ranking of potential threats to the US I would have:

Number 1: Internal schisms and weakness at number one. The American economy is not as strong and resilient as it has been, and additionally it is being propped up by a structure that is simply not sustainable. There are several fracture points that can cause financial and/or social instability, and that is a big problem. Furthermore, the country is more divided from a political perspective than it has ever been before, to the extent that if a Republican (or Democrat) came up with a golden solution you can be 100% sure that Democrats (or Republicans) would say no to it.

Number 2: The potential of radicalized Pakistan. Simply put, if a nuclear weapon ever goes off in the US you can bet your marbles there will be some connection to Pakistan. Either via direct action (low probability), nuclear material and know-how (high probability, considering that Pakistanis like Dr. A.Q.Khan are responsible for the highest level of nuclear proliferation in the world), or ISI logistics and assistance (medium probability).

Number 3: Radicalized Islam. There will always be a constant threat, one that requires constant vigilance, because the moment the defenders rest the terrorists will strike. Considering the greater ease of a small group effecting a devastating physical strike (be it incendiary, economic, biological) it is far easier than at any other time in history for a small but dedicated group to inflict huge damage. Whether we are talking about terrorist attacks similar to the ones the Chechens have done in Russia (e.g. the Moscow theater attack and/or Beslan school attack), or biological agent attack ...it is far easier to do them now.

Number 4: A strong China. Whether or not the Chinese economy is built on cards as some say, the fact is that it has enabled the rise of a strong and effective military that is 100% oriented towards fending off the US. Already, the ENTIRE South China Sea is a no-go zone for ANY American asset apart from the Virginia and Seawolf class submarines. According to a RAND study even the F-22 is not survivable. In fifteen years the situation will just get worse.

Number 5: A strong Russia. A far less threat than China, but still apt to be a thorn in the side. Logic would dictate that the Russians and Americans would realize they have more in common, particularly considering the rise of the radical Islam AND the rise of China, and that the two countries would get closer ...but logic is insufficient considering how key people in both countries would never agree to a close relationship (damn the torpedoes). Thus, resources that could be spent towards addressing the terrorism/Chinese situations are spent on each other. Not a problem if it was 1981, but in 2013 going forward things are a little different.

Anyways, that's the lay of the land based on where I am sitting.

34 posted on 05/18/2013 9:39:26 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: IbJensen

Lots of things would be different if people had done differently in the past...


35 posted on 05/18/2013 9:39:40 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: rbg81

At the end of WW2 the Soviets had run out of men. They were conscripting boys.


36 posted on 05/18/2013 9:53:14 AM PDT by ABrit
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To: ABrit
At the end of WW2 the Soviets had run out of men. They were conscripting boys.

That's not what I read. The total population of USSR around 1940 is reported as 191.7 million. All the territories have been reclaimed by 1945, so we don't need to reduce the count for that. Total losses in the war were about 20 million. So USSR had about 170 million to draw upon. If we presume the age bounds between 20 and 50, and count only men (though many women were volunteering,) we end up with about 40 million men who could be sent to the front. It's plenty.

As I read, children were working at the factories, making ammo and weapons, and at collective farms. That would be logical. What's the point of sending a boy to the front line if he can't even lift his rifle?

Perhaps you mean the "Hitler Youth" movement. Hitler indeed trained children to be fighters, and they did fight in the ruins of Berlin - they fought to the best of their abilities, but it wasn't much.

After May of 1945 USSR had enough soldiers to keep in occupied Europe, and enough soldiers to be sent to the Far East to fight Japan in China. As you know, both of those goals were successfully achieved. In 1945 the Soviet Army was strong, experienced, and the country was on war footing, with weapons and ammo and supplies coming from factories in Siberia. Fighting *that* from across the ocean would have been suicide. Hitler failed to do so just four years earlier, even though he was prepared, and his army was at that time the best in the world, and the Red Army was not prepared at all, torn apart by internal strife.

37 posted on 05/18/2013 10:23:11 AM PDT by Greysard
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To: spetznaz

Does the US support 50% or more of China’s export figures? What would happen if we had a shooting war with China. How long would the Wall Street bankers allow it to go on?


38 posted on 05/18/2013 10:33:56 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: B4Ranch
I think if push came to shove BOTH countries would suffer. Actually 'suffer' would be an understatement. The entire Chinese economy would be destroyed, which would have social consequences. However, while the entire US economy would not go down, enough of it would be affected to the extent that there would ALSO be social consequences in the US. Already things seem to be just at the brink.

It would basically, in my opinion, be the economic version of mutually assured destruction. MAD doctrine never meant that both countries would be equally destroyed, however it meant that both countries would be sufficiently destroyed to make any such action highly imprudent. For instance, had the USA and the USSR gone hot during the Cold War, it doesn't mean 100% of Americans and Soviets would have died ...just that the damage would have been so prodigious that no American or Soviet would have opted for nuclear war without serious thought.

Same thing with the economic MAD between the USA and China. Any 'winner' will also be a loser. To be honest if the Russians were to be really nasty what they would do is send their newest SSN to launch a Chinese-made ASM against an American carrier, and then another SSN to sink one of the new Chinese AEGIS-esque destroyers. Russia would benefit a lot from an American-Chinese 'problem' (in the same way China would from an American-Russian problem, and America would from a Russian-Chinese problem).

39 posted on 05/18/2013 10:51:40 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz

I agree in general with your assessment .
However I believe that a tribal-centered ,radicalized Pakinstan will lead to nuclear chaos , and unbalance the Near East and Asia is the greatest threat.
Secondarily , radicalized Islam is already an armed threat internationally , and currently they can be found within our own currrent government administration . They already have an ear to the leaders in this country .
I used to think that the USA could overcome any division , or schism , and that we could unite against any foreign power or influence , but the attack on 9/11/01 changed all that thinking . That attack led to our own Federalized Police State called DHS, and a pogram* of stop and frisk without probable cause , and a debasement of civil and Constitutional rights .
In general , I agree with your analysis as to the top 5 threats to this country, although not necessarily in the order that you presented.
Good job !


40 posted on 05/18/2013 11:10:15 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: spetznaz

Thank you for your reply. I fully agree with your comments. I can only smile when I look in the mirror and see my many wrinkles and less grey hair than I had last year.

With the level of intelligence dropping rapidly amongst general population I don’t see much hope for this nation. I seriously doubt if the Democrats recognize the seriousness of the IRS attempts to control the conservatives and what it means for America in general. The lack of integrity amid our government bureaucrats will be what lowers our national casket into the grave. I fear foreign historians will not shower us with good thoughts when they write our obituary.


41 posted on 05/18/2013 11:27:35 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: Mogger

See my reply #28... My first post wasn’t clear... I was bashing the IRS and Obama more than Putin - on a reread I can see that’s not how it came across.

Putin didn’t have a free country when he took over - and he didn’t have the means of production we have ... or the wealth. He’s struggled to make things better for Russia... unlike what our leaders - who seem to be going in the opposite direction. We are less free now - more likely to have the boot firmly in our faces... (thanks IRS and idiot dems)


42 posted on 05/18/2013 11:53:22 AM PDT by GOPJ (It’s Gotten So Bad for Obama Fox News Changed Its Slogan to ‘See, I Told You So!’- Leno)
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To: GOPJ

Putin stole money meant for starving Russians in the early 90’s. He is a classic mafiosi who talks patriotism only when it serves him.


43 posted on 05/18/2013 11:54:11 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks IbJensen.


44 posted on 05/18/2013 12:23:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: CodeToad

We have an idiot, lop-eared, no accomplishment, phony anti-America president.

Putin is a hard-nose.


45 posted on 05/18/2013 1:00:19 PM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen
Russian Bombers Perform Simulated Strikes on Sweden....

Somewhere, Peter the Great is smiling.

46 posted on 05/18/2013 1:01:56 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: IbJensen

The Nazis, tried to employ General Vlasov, to fight on their side against Stalin.....and I think it would have succeeded, but Hitler opposed the idea, because he wanted the Russians wiped out, period.


47 posted on 05/18/2013 1:06:04 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: IbJensen

Ya got me on that one!


48 posted on 05/18/2013 1:28:07 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: IbJensen

And how Putin must despise this president. Look for him to twist the knife in the back of Obama’s administration. Lots more embarrassment to come.


49 posted on 05/18/2013 4:38:07 PM PDT by binreadin
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To: Amberdawn
Yeah, but he stole from all the Russians, right? Not just the conservative and Tea Party Russians...

I not really making light of what you're saying... But it seems that with the Russians system - that for years - was based on most "powerful thug wins" - you got a guy - Putin - who really seems to love his country. Not perfect - but look at recent Russian History... it's a horror. Stalin - starving millions - one thug after another ... and now we have Putin. Who's really giving it a try.

Then we have our system - built on noble ideals... by men who knew the boot of tyranny... people who believed in the dignity of all citizen. And what did we get? A thuggy IRS using the power of the State against private citizens.

The US should have done better. Russia could have done a lot worse....

50 posted on 05/18/2013 5:19:22 PM PDT by GOPJ (It's Gotten So Bad for Obama Fox News Changed Its Slogan to "See. I Told You So!"- Leno)
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