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Watergate 2.0 -- why the IRS scandal is far worse
Fox News ^ | May 17, 2013 | Matt Kibbe

Posted on 05/18/2013 1:07:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

In the wake of one of the worst abuses of government power in recent history, many are rushing to frame the Internal Revenue Service scandal as simply an attack on conservative activists. That view risks creating a partisan political football and misses a fundamentally scarier abuse that exceeds the scandals of Watergate or any other prior government abuse.

The IRS has admitted that since May 2010 it targeted grassroots-conservative organizations that had applied for tax-exempt status, unfairly subjecting them to rigorous scrutiny due to their political leanings.

Such groups were told they were required to comply with IRS requests, no matter how absurd, in order to obtain non-profit status. Some were ask to provide book reports, names of family members, family members’ political affiliations, lists of donors and more. A report issued by the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration this week begins to highlight the extent of misbehavior.

Following the admission, many have accused the IRS of misusing and misrepresenting its power for political advantage, and it’s true that silencing – or at least handcuffing – conservatives in the run-up to the 2012 election could very well have made an impact.

But this abuse extends far beyond the last or next election and strikes at the very core of the people’s relationship with their government.

The Washington Post’s editorial board wrote that, “A bedrock principle of U.S. democracy is that the coercive powers of government are never used for partisan purposes.”(continued)

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fascism; firstamendment; impeachnow; internalrevenue; irs; obama; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; teaparty; teapartyrebellion

1 posted on 05/18/2013 1:07:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Ministry for state security.


2 posted on 05/18/2013 1:09:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

what does it matter! He has to spend his time out campaigning raising millions of dollars to fight us


3 posted on 05/18/2013 1:09:23 PM PDT by ncfool (Obama's aMeriKa 2012 can we make it until 2016?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All this information the IRS was collecting was given to who and for what purpose? I would bet that the answers to these specific questions were given to progressive groups and the Obama re-election campaign.

In other words, the IRS was actively interviewing private citizens and organizations to provide intel to left wing activists.


4 posted on 05/18/2013 1:14:05 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great natiorn is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
NIXON: Watergate hotel break-in

OBAMA: IRS 'mind invasion' of every registered Republican

5 posted on 05/18/2013 1:14:31 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Should have said ‘intimidation’.. INTIMOGATE!


6 posted on 05/18/2013 1:15:50 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

7 posted on 05/18/2013 1:17:35 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (The government rejects the natural law because it is an obstacle to its control over us.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

All that information, and more, is probably in the giant database in Utah.


8 posted on 05/18/2013 1:17:36 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Senator Ted Cruz:

“What’s just as concerning is the expansive role this agency is charged to take in enforcing ObamaCare. An agency that has admitted to engaging in such corrupt, political activities has no place assessing or monitoring Americans’ personal health information.”

KILL OBAMACARE!


9 posted on 05/18/2013 1:17:49 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who issued the Prime Directive!


10 posted on 05/18/2013 1:25:44 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The IRS abuses are bad, but so is Benghazi. In the latter, repeated requests for additional security were denied. When the attack came, no attempt whatsoever was made to rescue Americans under siege. Some true heroes died as a result. They fought on hour after hour, w skill & what might even be described as super-human courage, fully expecting help to come.

Turns out the decision to deny them aid was made up front, & so those responsible for their lives sat back in safety & comfort & watched the American heroes die.

How is that not at least as bad as the IRS abuses?


11 posted on 05/18/2013 1:26:18 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“A bedrock principle of U.S. democracy is that the coercive powers of government are never used for partisan purposes.”

They are called Utopians for a reason.

12 posted on 05/18/2013 1:26:55 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Tyranny is already here! I couldn't believe my ears, the IRS CEO saying that nothing really bad was done, but if they systematically profiled and harassed conservatives for years, and before an election, it was not illegal!

Also, Thursday night I heard a liberal talk show host playing the NAACP and agreeing with them, saying that the conservative groups had it coming, and the IRS was correct in harassing conservatives!

If this cannot be addressed politically, then what can we do? I will never trust the IRS to fairly manage anything. They have a 40 year history of political harassment, going back to the Nixon Administration.

13 posted on 05/18/2013 1:27:34 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Selling guns to the mafia is right up there. Especially since the purpose was to give Mexico cause to sue American gun companies.

Running guns to Al Qaeda is right up there. Knocking over governments and installing Muslim Brotherhood into power is right up there.

Putting an ambassador into a snake pit without security and then ordering everyone to stand aside while he dies, thats right up there. Watching him die on live video and doing nothing, thats right up there.

Imposing laws that congress didn’t write and didn’t read is right up there I’d say.

I could go on. Using IRS to go after your enemies is pretty bad, but if that was all he’d done you could almost give him a pass.


14 posted on 05/18/2013 1:28:14 PM PDT by marron
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
obama irs gestapo scandal conservative corruption    irs evil diabolical corrupt tyrants gestapo
15 posted on 05/18/2013 1:29:12 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The irony is that Nixon was never able to move the machinery of the IRS to do any political bidding against his enemies list.

The articles of impeachment that were drawn up against him says he ‘endeavored’ to use the IRS—but apparently there is no evidence that the effort ever went anywhere. It was the subject of discussion as revealed on the tapes—but it is likely that his staff merely let him blow off steam and never made a serious effort to implement any of the audits.


16 posted on 05/18/2013 1:31:13 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The first problem is having the income tax. The second problem arises out of exemptions to that tax. The third problem is setting up a procedure to determine who meets the standards for the exemptions.

Anyone who has ever done case work to decide who qualifies and who does not qualify for a government benefit, or an exemption from a government penalty, KNOWS that what IRS analysts were doing is not exactly unreasonable.

However, their top managers engaged in criminal behavior ~ and then when they got caught blamed the IRS analysts doing case work!

That's a really serious management failure ~ top to bottom, from the Secretary of Treasury down to the SES puke on the bottom rung of policy development and management.

Best bet is to REMOVE ALL OF THEM, and where they attempted to blame staff people for irregularities in policy, prosecute them. Those who accepted bonuses should, of course, be tried for theft. They knew they were undeserving!

The IRS Management team failures as well as those at General Services Administration are demonstrations that the SES Executive system is not working and should be abolished! That's a totally separate question but one to keep in mind.

17 posted on 05/18/2013 1:33:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Bon mots
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18 posted on 05/18/2013 1:37:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The idea of abusing IRS power for partisan advantage has occurred to people since the IRS was created. A fundamental responsibility of managing the IRS is to prevent the injection of politics — just like they must have strong checks and balances to stop thievery, taking kickbacks, selling exceptions, etc.

Is it conceivable that the IRS has no clear policies to prevent its operations being used for blatant political purposes? That no procedures exist or layers of personnel to systematically assure the policies are followed? No, it is not conceivable. Subverting these policies and procedures would constitute gross dereliction of duty.

“Rogue” bureaucrats do not risk their careers or act on their own initiative. This did not happen without direction from on high.

This is what Congress needs to investigate:
1) Historically, what were the policies and procedures that stopped partisan abuse from creeping in?;
2) Who eliminated or subverted those rules and when? (or got a lawyer to tell them violating them was ok?);
3) Who told them to do so?

Get out the waterboard.


19 posted on 05/18/2013 1:37:28 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: Hotlanta Mike

“All this information the IRS was collecting was given to who and for what purpose?”

I would start with Harry Reid. Also Levin, Franken and Schumer. All 4 wanted the IRS to report o Republicans. Since they did, the question for these crooks should be, who did they ask to get that information.


20 posted on 05/18/2013 1:47:01 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Not so much that the information was intrusive, as the degree of intrusion was selectively DIFFERENT for various groups. It the intrusion seemed too great, a complaint should have been sufficient to cause the inquiry to be curtailed or even dropped.

And if any of the more “progressive” applicants complained (assuming any even remotely similar request was made of them), the inquiry was either withdrawn, or at least made much less onerous.

But the really excessive TIME delays, where when even if the information was provided, the application was simply not acted upon, and perhaps worse, the information contained was forwarded to some agency whose purpose was to conduct opposition research.

The Staatssicherheit (Stasi) of East Germany used similar tactics.


21 posted on 05/18/2013 1:53:22 PM PDT by alloysteel (If you want to see the true measure of a man, watch how he treats his inferiors, not his equals.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The problem here is government itself. The IRS, EPA, you name the agency, will always be used by corrupt officials for political purposes. My grandfather tried to get hired on to a WPA project during the Great Depression, and he was told there would be no job for him until he changed his political party affiliation. He told them to go hell, and he and grandmother somehow managed to house and feed eight kids without FDR and his fascist/socialist programs. Until we force the current socialist/fascist government back into a state of true federalism limited by the Constitution we are going to have this problem.

It is time we start doing the ugly, and unpleasant work of reclaiming our country. Of course, you know this and so does most everyone else on this forum. I just needed to blow off some steam, even if I am preaching to the choir.

Hang in there friend I always enjoy your posts.


22 posted on 05/18/2013 1:55:15 PM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Zombies are just intelligent, good looking democrats.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It was always a given, with this _Resident's background, that he was always going to attack his opposition with every tool available and anything he can get away with.

He has, after all, so very much to defend himself about, and so many crimes to hide.

23 posted on 05/18/2013 1:58:31 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Bon mots

Reminds me of an old Soviet Era joke:

A frightened man came to the KGB “My talking parrot disappeared.”

“This is not our case. Go to the criminal police.”

“Excuse me. Of course I know that I have to go to them. I am here just to tell you officially that I disagree with that parrot.”


24 posted on 05/18/2013 1:59:21 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.


25 posted on 05/18/2013 2:08:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
I would start with Harry Reid.

Anybody remember Harry Reid saying that "he had heard" Romney had not paid any income tax? I wonder where that might have come from?

Mark

26 posted on 05/18/2013 2:25:42 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: wildbill

Obama probably didn’t have to make the IRS do anything. They got their marching orders from his speeches and the democrat hive mind of which they are a part.

They did it instinctively, automatically - a parasympathetic response. They put no more thought into it than you need to take a dump.

The time is coming.


27 posted on 05/18/2013 2:27:19 PM PDT by SargeK
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To: Fantasywriter

[[How is that not at least as bad as the IRS abuses?]]

It is much much worse- iut was a VERY CLEAR MESSAGE by an ANTI-AMERICAN president that when our soldiers are i ntrouble, well, just screw them- He let it be known loud and clear that he coudl care less whether our citizens get murdered in muslim nations because he’s too afraid of offending muslims to lift a figner to stop them when they commit cold blooded murder on Aemricans- infact, He’s so contemptuoous of Americans that he BLAMED AN AMERICAN for weeks, and STILL blames him (the dude that made a video that had NOTHING TO DO with the coordinated, planned terrorist attack on good Americans that were there to help the scum-


28 posted on 05/18/2013 2:29:40 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: wildbill

[[The articles of impeachment that were drawn up against him says he ‘endeavored’ to use the IRS—but apparently there is no evidence that the effort ever went anywhere.]]

Aint it freaking amazing? He didn’t even use the IRS but suffered for an ‘attempt to use’ the IRS, and here we have a dearl leader now who DID use hte irs to punish his enemies, and a dear leade4r that ADMITS that evweryone that doesn’t agree with him is an enemy and shoudl be punished, and the press does absolutely freakign NOTHING to dethrone the tyrant- but by golly they absoltuely crusicifed nixon over an ‘attempt’ ?


29 posted on 05/18/2013 2:33:14 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; alloysteel

I think one of the things that makes it far, far worse than Watergate was that, while Nixon targeted people in the political world for his “enemies list” or stonewalled to cover up for over-zealous spies who wanted to get the good on his political opponents, Obama and the IRS have targeted hundreds if not thousands of just regular Americans speaking their minds.

Everybody of any party should be truly frightened by this. Asking a little tiny handful of volunteer board members (who probably belong to nothing more extreme than the GOP) of a really insignifcant would-be nonprofit for their latest reading, the content of their prayers and how much money they have in their wallets is going way, way beyond anything Nixon ever dreamed of doing. Or, may I add, anything he would ever have done.


30 posted on 05/18/2013 2:35:45 PM PDT by livius
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To: Fantasywriter
The IRS abuses are bad, but so is Benghazi.

And the death count at Behghazi doesn't come close to the death count from Fast and Furious, that is, if you consider Mexicans people. I suspect Obama (peace be upon him) doesn't.

31 posted on 05/18/2013 2:36:01 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

First, they came for the Tea Party…

o When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn’t a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

• Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie die Juden holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Jude.

Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestierte.

—— Martin Niemöller


32 posted on 05/18/2013 2:37:32 PM PDT by Lexington Green (First, they came for the Tea Party¬Ö)
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To: Beowulf9

Not once but twice. The BOLO list was removed and someone reinstated it!


33 posted on 05/18/2013 2:52:06 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not just siccing the IRS on people, but Department of Labor, and who knows what other agencies & entities?

We aren’t hearing much about that aspect. Yet.


34 posted on 05/18/2013 3:12:22 PM PDT by unsycophant
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To: alloysteel

Not so much that the information was intrusive, as the degree of intrusion was selectively DIFFERENT for various groups.


Who decided which specific questions were asked? Were they probing for donors and other private information which they could provide to progressive groups and the Obama campaign to target? U

sing a dept of the federal government to gather opposition intel for the dem party, not illegal?


35 posted on 05/18/2013 3:13:58 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great natiorn is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: livius

we can onlky hope and pray that there is a smoking gun linking dear leader to the irs targettign conservatives and jews- Let’s hope and pray soemoen comes forward with wevidence so damning that it can’t be overcome- sad thign to hope for, but my goodenss, the corruption in thsi administeration is mind boggling and NEEDS to stop- now!


36 posted on 05/18/2013 3:14:48 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

“It is much much worse- iut was a VERY CLEAR MESSAGE by an ANTI-AMERICAN president that when our soldiers are i ntrouble, well, just screw them- He let it be known loud and clear that he coudl care less whether our citizens get murdered in muslim nations because he’s too afraid of offending muslims to lift a figner to stop them when they commit cold blooded murder on Aemricans- infact, He’s so contemptuoous of Americans that he BLAMED AN AMERICAN for weeks, and STILL blames him (the dude that made a video that had NOTHING TO DO with the coordinated, planned terrorist attack on good Americans that were there to help the scum-”

I agree w this. & please note that the question that broke the IRS abuse scandal was planted. They admit it was planted. They wanted the focus on the IRS to deflect from Benghazi; that much is clear.

Why?

Because bad as it is, no one died in IRS-gate. But we have four dead Americans in Benghazi. We live in an age where people don’t care that much, unfortunately. But enough wd still care, if they knew Obama cd have saved at least some of these Americans & chose not to, to plunge Obama’s administration into a graveyard spiral.

So they opted to go w IRS-gate. After all, a lot of people dislike the Tea Party. & as I mentioned, nobody died. Win-win for Obama.


37 posted on 05/18/2013 3:20:30 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fresh Wind

Agree that the Fast & Furious death count is far higher. The Obama regime fears Benghazi more, however. We still have Americans who don’t believe in standing by & watching, spectator/gladiator-Rome style, as Americans battle for their lives & end up losing.

If the truth of Benghazi were to become widely known, it wd drive a stake through the heart of the evil regime. They’d far rather deal w the IRS scandal, understandably.


38 posted on 05/18/2013 3:23:53 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What did the president know and when did he know it?


39 posted on 05/18/2013 3:53:50 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://watergate.info/impeachment/articles-of-impeachment

“He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.”

Sound familiar?


40 posted on 05/18/2013 3:55:26 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The Washington Post’s editorial board wrote that, “A bedrock principle of U.S. democracy is that the coercive powers of government are never used for partisan purposes.”

Yeh, whatever...

Let’s see if stupid conservatives get organized enough to demand that their states arrest these federal fascists for violating their civil rights.

That’s one thing I hate about conservatives: they’re too GD fat, stupid and lazy to get off their bodacious asses and get involved in state, county and local government and politics.


41 posted on 05/18/2013 4:44:58 PM PDT by sergeantdave (No, I don't have links for everything I post)
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To: sergeantdave

You rang?

42 posted on 05/18/2013 4:56:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Luv ya, brother.


43 posted on 05/18/2013 5:01:22 PM PDT by sergeantdave (No, I don't have links for everything I post)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
All this information the IRS was collecting was given to who and for what purpose? I would bet that the answers to these specific questions were given to progressive groups and the Obama re-election campaign.

It was given to a left wing group founded by a couple that made $millions off the mortgage crisis and avid Obama supporters.

Levin was all over this earlier in the week.

44 posted on 05/18/2013 7:47:53 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: Black Agnes
That new data center is supposed to be capable of storing 5 zettabytes of information.

For a little perspective, a zettabyte is equivalent to about 250 billion DVDs.

45 posted on 05/18/2013 10:27:53 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: Fantasywriter
How is that not at least as bad as the IRS abuses?

Losing 4 people is bad, losing a Republic to voter fraud is worse.

46 posted on 05/18/2013 10:29:23 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: livius

obama and his IRS did target and silence thousands of taxpaying Americans to keep them from speaking their minds.
They were denied their 1st Ammendment rights to free political speech.
Just another violation of the Constitution by this regime and his media is still silent.

Add to that, he has turned on his boot licking media and still they don’t see obama for who he really is.


47 posted on 05/19/2013 4:21:41 AM PDT by Texas resident (Watch the other hand.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Soros’s group ProPublica already pre-emptively has announced that the information was delivered to it.


48 posted on 05/19/2013 9:02:57 AM PDT by Piranha
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