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Maine State Police Lieutenant Not Disciplined After Gun Went Off Inside
Bangor Daily News ^ | May 18, 2013 | Dawn Gagnon

Posted on 05/18/2013 2:41:56 PM PDT by nickcarraway

An investigation by a division of the Maine State Police was unable to determine why a lieutenant’s firearm accidentally discharged during a computer training session.

Lt. Shawn Currie, commander of the state police commercial vehicle enforcement division, was not disciplined after the Feb. 27 incident.

Currie was attending the training at the agency’s former headquarters at 36 Hospital St. when his gun belt reportedly rode up, according to a synopsis of the incident that the Bangor Daily News obtained Friday after submitting a request under the Freedom of Access Act.

The gun belt “was causing discomfort to his hip so he pushed down on the back of the grip with an open palm after extending his right leg out in front of him. He stated that as he pushed on the back of the grip, his handgun discharged,” Maj. Gary Wright of Maine State Police Operations wrote in his incident review report.

While no one was injured, the discharged round of ammunition ricocheted off the floor and struck Trooper Shane Northrup, who also was attending the training session, in the back of the leg, Wright wrote. Currie suffered a small powder burn on his right leg from the discharge and Northrup had a small red mark on his right leg from the ricochet, he noted.

Northrup removed the magazine from Currie’s firearm, an HK .45-caliber handgun, and then removed the gun from the retention holster it was secured in, the report states. Currie reported the incident to Motor Carrier Supervisor James Wright, who also was attending the training, and to Sgt. William Keith, the agency’s primary firearms instructor.

After a cursory safety inspection and function check, Currie’s gun and holster were secured in the state police armory and he was issued replacements. Currie was advised to prepare a memo documenting the incident, which he did, the report shows.

Extensive testing by Keith and Detective Robert Burns, firearms examiner at the state crime laboratory, indicated that neither the gun nor the holster were defective and that function testing on the gun “indicated that all safety features functioned properly and as intended,” according to Keith’s memo of the findings.

Keith also offered the following additional conclusions.

“Testing conducted could not recreate an unintentional discharge when utilizing the same variables that were present at the time of the incident,” he wrote. “Only when introducing an obstruction, ie. material into the trigger guard, were the testers able to cause the HK45 to discharge by pushing down on the back of the weapon while it was locked into the holster.”

Keith also noted that “the HK45 was not capable of firing without the trigger being drawn to the rear,” Wright reported.

In Keith’s report, which was attached to the incident review, Keith concluded that Currie’s description of the incident “was duplicated in the lab and the pistol was unable to be discharged.

“During testing, the pistol discharged only when removed from the holster and a foreign object (cloth, finger or strap) was introduced into and or through the trigger guard and the pistol was reinserted into the holster.”

Maine Department of Public Safety spokesman Stephen McCausland said the incident did not result in a change in policy for state troopers.

“The report was reviewed with Lt. Currie and discussed with him and he was apprised of the findings,” McCausland said Friday. “There was no disciplinary action.”


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1 posted on 05/18/2013 2:41:56 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
"Currie suffered a small powder burn on his right leg from the discharge and Northrup had a small red mark on his right leg from the ricochet..."

Good thing he wasn't using "cop killer" bullets.

2 posted on 05/18/2013 2:45:48 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: nickcarraway

There you are — it proves that guns are themselves inherently bad.


3 posted on 05/18/2013 2:46:23 PM PDT by expat2
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To: nickcarraway

Maine State Police was unable to determine why a lieutenant’s firearm accidentally discharged during a computer training session.

How about someone pulled the trigger.


4 posted on 05/18/2013 2:47:06 PM PDT by True Grit
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To: nickcarraway

Damn thing just went off.


5 posted on 05/18/2013 2:47:15 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: nickcarraway
“commander of the state police commercial vehicle enforcement division”
As a commercial vehicle driver, aka truck driver, these are the guys that come after us. A misspelling of a city name on our log books is an $1800 fine, in California. They screw us over for this while they have problems shooting each other. It's a wonder anyone wants to be a truck driver now.
6 posted on 05/18/2013 2:48:20 PM PDT by Nitehawk0325 (Laws are not made for safety anymore. It's for revenue only.)
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To: nickcarraway

Question for the state of Maine. What would you do to a citizen who had the same issue? Bottom line, don’t force a double action into a holster.


7 posted on 05/18/2013 2:50:47 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: nickcarraway

Maybe it wasn’t accidental. Too many Vista blue screens of death would
test any computer trainee’s patience.


8 posted on 05/18/2013 2:51:19 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Arguing with a marxist is like playing Chess with a Pigeon.)
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To: nickcarraway

They make no mention of something (piece of shirt, jacket, etc) being inside the holster that could have possibly made the trigger go backwards and fire the gun. They were pretty specific covering the details.

The logical conclusion is the cop had his finger inside the trigger guard and fired it while adjusting his belt. And did not report it this way. For obvious reasons.

This is not a case of ammo overheating or a pressure issue, or being dropped, or a mechanical failure of anything. Barring these kinds of things, guns simply do not go off by themselves.


9 posted on 05/18/2013 2:52:36 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: nickcarraway

Well..., It’s like that famous philosopher Barry Obama said once upon a time “Sh!t Happens”.


10 posted on 05/18/2013 2:53:31 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Proud contributer to the Free Republic Q-2 Freepathon.)
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To: nickcarraway

A CCW person doing this in a class would have his license gone. Plus no cops would sit there and believe/affirm his lie about it.

Double standard hypocrisy. Government agents treated far, far better than the average joe.


11 posted on 05/18/2013 2:54:31 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: nickcarraway
When I was young, my gun used to have an "accidental discharge", usually at night, but then I started dating regulaly and it never happened again...

However I never had any accidents involving firearms...
12 posted on 05/18/2013 2:56:16 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: nickcarraway

Maybe he had a chunk of old doughnut that somehow fell in the holster and it caused the discharge after pressing down on the butt of the gun.

Really, what POS holster allows a weapon to travel far enough into. It and then force the trigger back far enough to cause a small explosion ?

I own several types of holster s and the only one that might allow that is the one made from ebbing. Still, it is customize d to fit a specific pistol and I don’t think there is any room for movement.

Certainly, this officer was carrying a modern holster such as a Serpa . That type of holster doesn’t allow the weapon to travel more that a millimeter , if that.

Sumpin ain’t right about this story.


13 posted on 05/18/2013 3:02:29 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: RedMonqey

I bet no one sits next to him anymore!


14 posted on 05/18/2013 3:03:59 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: True Grit
How about someone pulled the trigger.

That would have been my first guess too. Isn't it amazing, the BS that is thrown around about issues like this? I am so cynical, that I think that many of these stories come out, so as to further the agenda of the gun grabbers, by demonstrating how dangerous guns are.

15 posted on 05/18/2013 3:11:10 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: nickcarraway

The trigger was pulled and the gun functioned as designed.


16 posted on 05/18/2013 3:15:43 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Nitehawk0325

With my doctor style scratch, I would be bankrupt in short order. I did a little bit of driving for what turned out to be a nightmarish asset recovery operation with a psychotic manager. The guy was a reserve Missouri State Trooper with enough arrogance for several normal cops. After I got home to SC after a 14 hour day plus being ordered to drive from Jax to Columbia that same evening, I found out anger is a good adrenaline rush. It kept me going. Later I found out after some dust settled from other things that he would not take responisiblity for that he had never done any recovery in his life, just barking orders from behind a desk.

As soon as I got reimbursed for my expenses I quit and went to tech contracting.

There was supposed to be 2 of us on the trip but someone wanted to make more money at corporate so it was cut to me at the last minute. I couldn’t leave the truck parked at the dock at Citibank for more than a few minutes, I had to have an escort everywhere and the guy would call and scream at me saying that I was so behind. I kept calmly repeating my circumstances. He said in essence I was making it up and it never happens. I don’t miss that bunch of lying slave drivers based in St. Louis.


17 posted on 05/18/2013 3:17:15 PM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: Conserev1

You can bet nobody wants to be his partner....


18 posted on 05/18/2013 3:23:20 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: redreno
We get it. You don't like cops.

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19 posted on 05/18/2013 3:32:48 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Secret Agent Man
This is not a case of ammo overheating or a pressure issue, or being dropped, or a mechanical failure of anything.

There was a type of automatic pistol the Japanese made during WW2 that was so poorly designed/manufactured that if you squeezed the sides of it, it would accidently discharged.

Something about an "exposed sear"(sp?)

Not a gunsmith so don't ask what that is...


20 posted on 05/18/2013 3:33:06 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Conserev1

certainly not in front of him!


21 posted on 05/18/2013 3:48:55 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (3 guns when you only have one arm? "I just don't want to get killed for lack of shooting back")
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To: nickcarraway

Lt. Shawn Currie is part of the elitist’s sinister plot to shoot patriots in the foot. Watch your feet around Rambo Currie, FReepers.


22 posted on 05/18/2013 3:54:24 PM PDT by sergeantdave (No, I don't have links for everything I post)
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To: Admin Moderator

I don’t like stupid & bad cops. Get over it or ban me.


23 posted on 05/18/2013 3:58:07 PM PDT by redreno (Americans don't go Gault. Americans go Postal.)
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To: Admin Moderator

I hate clowns too.


24 posted on 05/18/2013 4:12:10 PM PDT by redreno (Americans don't go Gault. Americans go Postal.)
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To: redreno

I don’t get it. WTF was the AM hounding you for?


25 posted on 05/18/2013 4:21:14 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

Well, it’s their forum. So, they can complain or cry about anything they feel b*tth*rt about. However, As my FR home page states......I am a disobedient individualist. Habitual line crosser.


26 posted on 05/18/2013 4:28:24 PM PDT by redreno (Americans don't go Gault. Americans go Postal.)
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To: redreno

K. But, my question relates to you being called out of the blue on this post.

You weren’t even on this post until the AM openly called you out.

Ain’t right.


27 posted on 05/18/2013 4:33:22 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: redreno

I hate clowns, too.

Have a fresh cookie.


28 posted on 05/18/2013 4:35:40 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Mark17

While no one was injured, the discharged round of ammunition ricocheted off the floor and struck Trooper Shane Northrup, who also was attending the training session, in the back of the leg, Wright wrote. Currie suffered a small powder burn on his right leg from the discharge and Northrup had a small red mark on his right leg from the ricochet, he noted.

What?


29 posted on 05/18/2013 4:46:21 PM PDT by glyptol
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To: nickcarraway

30 posted on 05/18/2013 4:48:34 PM PDT by abb
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To: RedMonqey

i’d bet the farm it was nothing like that japanese pistol.

h&k don’t make crap pistols. further they could not duplicate the error in testing his pistol.


31 posted on 05/18/2013 5:04:27 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Ok. You are in a police educational class. You have a chambered round because you need that split second advantage encase the bad guys surprise you. That chambered round will get you quite often. Morons.


32 posted on 05/18/2013 6:27:11 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

He must have felt threatened by his fellow cops.


33 posted on 05/18/2013 6:39:30 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: nickcarraway

First off, the article doesn’t contain enough information to judge other than armchair QB-ing. I won’t dispute that LEO are treated differently than civilians in these cases, but my drum-beat here is that there is never a discussion on holsters or holstering safety. A decent holster minimimzes accidents; a bad choice by CCW-holders, plus lack of awareness (read ‘complacency’), compounds the probability (not possibility) of an AD. It can happen to anyone. Shamefully we’re not all treated equally.

Related re ‘obstruction’:
http://pistol-training.com/archives/7094


34 posted on 05/19/2013 6:42:47 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Secret Agent Man
h&k don’t make crap pistols.

Didn't mean to imply they did.

Anyway most of the Japanese pistols were scrapped after the war and now they are very rare and somewhat of a desirable curio among gun collectors. Kinda like Edsels are today...
35 posted on 05/19/2013 8:06:19 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
You are in a police educational class. You have a chambered round because you need that split second advantage encase the bad guys surprise you.

A bad case of complacency. The “The gun just went off” syndrome. A common mistake among "professionals".

Another police instructor killed himself with an "empty" gun that he pointed at his own head while in a hostage training course in San Fransisco. IIRC

An “I thought the gun was unloaded” malady

36 posted on 05/19/2013 8:25:17 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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