Skip to comments.Outgoing IRS Chief: Taxes 'Voluntary'
Posted on 05/18/2013 3:27:33 PM PDT by NoLibZone
On Friday, former acting IRS Commissioner Steve Miller, testifying before the House Ways and Means Committee, said that Americas tax system is voluntary.
Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA) agreed. Miller offered this perspective as he was grilled about his involvement in the IRS scandal wherein the IRS targeted conservative groups, particularly Tea Party organizations.
This line has been used before by none other than Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. Interviewed by Jan Helfeld in 2008, this is how the conversation went:
Helfeld: If the government is in the business of forcefully taking money from some people in order to provide welfare benefits to others, how will the people whose money is being taken feel about the government?
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
Well, I’d love to volunteer “no,” but it’s actually legally mandated. Just try not paying your taxes and see how “voluntary” it is.
How many armed personnel does IRS have?
How many millions of hollow-point rounds do they have?
Why is this equipment needed if taxes are “voluntary?”
More insults to our intelligence.
What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
Why did Wesley Snipes spend time in prison when he didn’t “volunteer”?
Been a while since I’ve seen that post.....
I remember when Dingy Harry Reid made this claim several years ago.
Do these idiot Democrats honestly think that paying taxes is voluntary? Is that how they justify their insatiable craving for taxpayer’s money?
Voluntary is how I give to my church, what I want to give, when I want to give it.
My taxes are withheld from my paycheck, taken when I make a purchase or figured into my mortgage.
I cannot choose not to pay income taxes.
I cannot make a purchase without paying sales tax.
I will lose my house if I don’t pay my property taxes.
In what universe is any tax voluntary?
Fine. Then I won’t volunteer to pay anymore to this corrupt government.
F U B O !
Can we get 11 million (or so) people to “ volunteer” not to pay federal income taxes?
Whoops, my bad, already happening......
They have us cornered. Animals that are cornered can become very violent.
The animals are pissed about now. Hope they are ready for the backlash, cuz it's comin.
The easier argument is that the income tax violates the fifth. That argument points out that if the income tax were mandatory, one cannot use one's tax return against one in a tax evasion case since one would be using compelled testimony in order to convict oneself. On the other hand, the IRS and the mis named justice department illegally tries to throw people in jail for not filing. The government has been getting it both ways. As the so-called income tax (so-called since it is really voluntary) is enforced illegally, it is no wonder that the IRS breaks the law when threatening the Tea Party and the Jewish Z group.
Thanks to a corrupt judiciary, the IRS has been getting away with its illegal behavior for almost a century.
“...Can we get 11 million (or so) people to volunteer not to pay federal income taxes?...”
With all BS aside, if ever there was a time in our history for an outright tax rebellion it is now. Everyone that works should just stop until this corruption is dealt with and reform is made. Quarterly filers, quit filing. W2 types change their exemptions to 20. Stash away the money and starve this insatiable beast. IF just 1 million people did this, these communists would crap their pants and we would see some immediate changes. They need us...we don’t need them.
IF you think they targeted us with tax exemption, wait till they start targeting our health care!!! This is NOT acceptable.
If the legal/Congress system enables losers pay, this would have a significant impact enforcement.
I just unvolunteered. I’ll let yall know how that works for me.
Actually, it is the truth...
In that sense, taxes are "voluntary".
Confiscation of wealth through taxation is not voluntary, nor is taxation without representation voluntary because while we agreed to taxation we never agreed to tyranny.
I could go on, but you get the drift....the bloke was technically correct in calling American-type taxation "voluntary".
(I need an Exedrin).
I guess you could talk to Willie about all that stuff!
Very few Democrat voters pay taxes, so it must be voluntary.
That’s what my professor always said, voluntary, and we just laughed.
These are fascinating links but of what practical value are these arguments? The politicians have emplaced a rogue government and are quite happy with how it functions. Debating the Constitution with them is a wasted exercise since they have no concern what the document actually says or means. They may even agree with you and then go about their business as usual with a “so what”.
I think the public at large would consider this a lot of legalistic mumbo-jumbo and continue to elect politicians based on perceptions of “what are they doing for me”. I think before we can argue on the merits of the Constitution, we must argue the merits of the underlying principles in plain English as best we can. Then we can connect the dots to the Constitution.
Jobs are voluntary in Obamaville.
don’t want to pay taxes, just live off the Gubmint and pay none
It’s only voluntary for RAT politicians.
remember, there is power in numbers.
Just start reading and learning what is at those links and pass it on to more people as you go.
here is another link:
Up until the 90’s in paragraph 1 of every 1040 booklet printed it stated that “Our Tax system is one of Voluntary Compliance”. However try not volunteering sometime and see how voluntary it really is.
Well then I want to “voluntarily” not pay taxes to the Federal Government..
Believe me, I appreciate what you are saying but I would be linking the choir and those I know who are not in the choir would give up because they would not have the patience or fortitude to understand the legal arguments.
I finished reading several of John Locke’s works in the past weeks and it was a struggle because of the English spoken at that time. If we had a modern day Locke, I think that would go further. Closest I can find to that is Mark Levin though I’m sure others are out there. I think most people could relate to that more easily than what might be perceived as clever legalese.
But sincerely, thanks for those links. I find them interesting but still have to confront the nuts and bolts of how we get people to demand the Constitution be respected and enforced.
This is patently false; it is to the point of being purposely disingenuous. So, for such vile verbal diarrhea, let me just say: F*%k the Li-aR-S.
Depends on your line on the color bar. Thanks NoLibZone.
Laughing all the way to jail...
Very strange. I remember when the Dems started coming out with the “paying taxes is patriotic” line. Sorry, giving your money to your government is not patriotic. You pay what you’re assessed, usually way too much, because they have the upper hand and can take away all your assets and throw you in jail if you don’t. Neither voluntary nor patriotic.
This as****e is either insane or incompetent AND arrogant beyond comprehension.
He actually thinks he has the power to redefine the English Language, arbitrarily on a whim?
And it will stay that way. The judges want to be paid.
Come on, if its so voluntary, why are taxes taken from my paycheck before I even get a paycheck?