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Outgoing IRS Chief: Taxes 'Voluntary'
breitbart.com ^ | May 18 2013 | William Bigelow

Posted on 05/18/2013 3:27:33 PM PDT by NoLibZone

On Friday, former acting IRS Commissioner Steve Miller, testifying before the House Ways and Means Committee, said that America’s tax system is “voluntary.”

Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA) agreed. Miller offered this perspective as he was grilled about his involvement in the IRS scandal wherein the IRS targeted conservative groups, particularly Tea Party organizations.

This line has been used before by none other than Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. Interviewed by Jan Helfeld in 2008, this is how the conversation went:

Helfeld: If the government is in the business of forcefully taking money from some people in order to provide welfare benefits to others, how will the people whose money is being taken feel about the government?

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; US: California; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: impeachnow; irs; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; taxes
Its voluntary but if you dont pay you end up in the DNC cattel car enroute to a gassing facility.
1 posted on 05/18/2013 3:27:33 PM PDT by NoLibZone
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To: NoLibZone

Well, I’d love to volunteer “no,” but it’s actually legally mandated. Just try not paying your taxes and see how “voluntary” it is.


2 posted on 05/18/2013 3:31:49 PM PDT by livius
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To: NoLibZone

How many armed personnel does IRS have?

How many millions of hollow-point rounds do they have?

Why is this equipment needed if taxes are “voluntary?”

More insults to our intelligence.


3 posted on 05/18/2013 3:32:10 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: livius; NoLibZone

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


4 posted on 05/18/2013 3:33:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: NoLibZone

Why did Wesley Snipes spend time in prison when he didn’t “volunteer”?


5 posted on 05/18/2013 3:36:54 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Been a while since I’ve seen that post.....


6 posted on 05/18/2013 3:38:26 PM PDT by stockpirate (F. Douglass, "A man's rights rest in three boxes: ballot box, jury box, and ammo box)
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To: NoLibZone

I remember when Dingy Harry Reid made this claim several years ago.

Do these idiot Democrats honestly think that paying taxes is voluntary? Is that how they justify their insatiable craving for taxpayer’s money?

Voluntary is how I give to my church, what I want to give, when I want to give it.

My taxes are withheld from my paycheck, taken when I make a purchase or figured into my mortgage.

I cannot choose not to pay income taxes.
I cannot make a purchase without paying sales tax.
I will lose my house if I don’t pay my property taxes.

In what universe is any tax voluntary?


7 posted on 05/18/2013 3:39:56 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: NoLibZone

Fine. Then I won’t volunteer to pay anymore to this corrupt government.

F U B O !


8 posted on 05/18/2013 3:42:27 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: NoLibZone

Can we get 11 million (or so) people to “ volunteer” not to pay federal income taxes?

Whoops, my bad, already happening......


9 posted on 05/18/2013 3:43:48 PM PDT by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: Jvette
In what universe is any tax voluntary?

They have us cornered. Animals that are cornered can become very violent.

The animals are pissed about now. Hope they are ready for the backlash, cuz it's comin.

10 posted on 05/18/2013 3:45:31 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: NoLibZone
The reason the income tax is voluntary is that it doesn't fit into the two great classifications of taxation -- direct and indirect. The Constitution allows for direct taxation, but the taxes must be apportioned. The 16th amendment did not amend the Constitution. In order to understand this, one must read Irwin Schiff's The Great Income Tax Hoax. In that book, political prisoner Irwin Schiff, points out that income for income tax purposes is really a corporate profit (and it is certainly not wages).

The easier argument is that the income tax violates the fifth. That argument points out that if the income tax were mandatory, one cannot use one's tax return against one in a tax evasion case since one would be using compelled testimony in order to convict oneself. On the other hand, the IRS and the mis named justice department illegally tries to throw people in jail for not filing. The government has been getting it both ways. As the so-called income tax (so-called since it is really voluntary) is enforced illegally, it is no wonder that the IRS breaks the law when threatening the Tea Party and the Jewish Z group.

Thanks to a corrupt judiciary, the IRS has been getting away with its illegal behavior for almost a century.

11 posted on 05/18/2013 3:52:42 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: GrouchoTex

“...Can we get 11 million (or so) people to “ volunteer” not to pay federal income taxes?...”
With all BS aside, if ever there was a time in our history for an outright tax rebellion it is now. Everyone that works should just stop until this corruption is dealt with and reform is made. Quarterly filers, quit filing. W2 types change their exemptions to 20. Stash away the money and starve this insatiable beast. IF just 1 million people did this, these communists would crap their pants and we would see some immediate changes. They need us...we don’t need them.
IF you think they targeted us with tax exemption, wait till they start targeting our health care!!! This is NOT acceptable.


12 posted on 05/18/2013 3:56:25 PM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: Stepan12

If the legal/Congress system enables losers pay, this would have a significant impact enforcement.


13 posted on 05/18/2013 3:58:06 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: NoLibZone

I just unvolunteered. I’ll let yall know how that works for me.


14 posted on 05/18/2013 3:58:36 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican, no Conservative was on the ballot. 969 yall.)
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To: NoLibZone

Actually, it is the truth...

http://www.supremelaw.org/sls/31answers.htm

http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm


15 posted on 05/18/2013 4:05:14 PM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: NoLibZone; mickie; flaglady47
An additional way to explain it in addition to the info posted here.....via our founding underpinnings we've chosen a certain type of government which is based on taxation and in agreeing to our type of government we voluntarily agree to pay taxes as did the settlers.

In that sense, taxes are "voluntary".

Confiscation of wealth through taxation is not voluntary, nor is taxation without representation voluntary because while we agreed to taxation we never agreed to tyranny.

I could go on, but you get the drift....the bloke was technically correct in calling American-type taxation "voluntary".

(I need an Exedrin).

Leni

16 posted on 05/18/2013 4:18:01 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal

I guess you could talk to Willie about all that stuff!


17 posted on 05/18/2013 4:25:23 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: Jvette

Very few Democrat voters pay taxes, so it must be voluntary.


18 posted on 05/18/2013 4:36:34 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: livius

That’s what my professor always said, voluntary, and we just laughed.


19 posted on 05/18/2013 4:38:26 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: phockthis

These are fascinating links but of what practical value are these arguments? The politicians have emplaced a rogue government and are quite happy with how it functions. Debating the Constitution with them is a wasted exercise since they have no concern what the document actually says or means. They may even agree with you and then go about their business as usual with a “so what”.

I think the public at large would consider this a lot of legalistic mumbo-jumbo and continue to elect politicians based on perceptions of “what are they doing for me”. I think before we can argue on the merits of the Constitution, we must argue the merits of the underlying principles in plain English as best we can. Then we can connect the dots to the Constitution.


20 posted on 05/18/2013 5:07:24 PM PDT by trubolotta
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To: SampleMan

Jobs are voluntary in Obamaville.

don’t want to pay taxes, just live off the Gubmint and pay none


21 posted on 05/18/2013 5:08:30 PM PDT by digger48
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To: NoLibZone

It’s only voluntary for RAT politicians.


22 posted on 05/18/2013 5:08:40 PM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: trubolotta

remember, there is power in numbers.

Just start reading and learning what is at those links and pass it on to more people as you go.

here is another link:

http://www.supremelaw.org/copyrite/dasia.net/taxfree.htm


23 posted on 05/18/2013 5:14:59 PM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: NoLibZone

Up until the 90’s in paragraph 1 of every 1040 booklet printed it stated that “Our Tax system is one of Voluntary Compliance”. However try not volunteering sometime and see how voluntary it really is.


24 posted on 05/18/2013 5:20:25 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: NoLibZone

Well then I want to “voluntarily” not pay taxes to the Federal Government..


25 posted on 05/18/2013 5:24:35 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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To: phockthis

Believe me, I appreciate what you are saying but I would be linking the choir and those I know who are not in the choir would give up because they would not have the patience or fortitude to understand the legal arguments.

I finished reading several of John Locke’s works in the past weeks and it was a struggle because of the English spoken at that time. If we had a modern day Locke, I think that would go further. Closest I can find to that is Mark Levin though I’m sure others are out there. I think most people could relate to that more easily than what might be perceived as clever legalese.

But sincerely, thanks for those links. I find them interesting but still have to confront the nuts and bolts of how we get people to demand the Constitution be respected and enforced.


26 posted on 05/18/2013 5:26:00 PM PDT by trubolotta
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To: NoLibZone

This is patently false; it is to the point of being purposely disingenuous. So, for such vile verbal diarrhea, let me just say: F*%k the Li-aR-S.


27 posted on 05/18/2013 5:47:02 PM PDT by Xenophon450 (Profit tells the entrepreneur that the consumers approve of his ventures; loss, that they disapprove)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Depends on your line on the color bar. Thanks NoLibZone.


28 posted on 05/18/2013 5:49:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Rusty0604

Laughing all the way to jail...

Very strange. I remember when the Dems started coming out with the “paying taxes is patriotic” line. Sorry, giving your money to your government is not patriotic. You pay what you’re assessed, usually way too much, because they have the upper hand and can take away all your assets and throw you in jail if you don’t. Neither voluntary nor patriotic.


29 posted on 05/18/2013 7:41:42 PM PDT by livius
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To: NoLibZone
Reid: Quite the contrary. Our system of government Is a voluntary tax system
Helfeld: If you don’t want to pay your taxes, you don’t have to?
Reid: Of course you have to pay your taxes
Helfeld: The government will force you to pay or they will fine you or imprison you.

This as****e is either insane or incompetent AND arrogant beyond comprehension.

He actually thinks he has the power to redefine the English Language, arbitrarily on a whim?

30 posted on 05/18/2013 10:28:39 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Stepan12
Thanks to a corrupt judiciary, the IRS has been getting away with its illegal behavior for almost a century.

And it will stay that way. The judges want to be paid.

31 posted on 05/19/2013 4:36:03 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: NoLibZone

Come on, if its so voluntary, why are taxes taken from my paycheck before I even get a paycheck?


32 posted on 05/19/2013 4:54:21 AM PDT by jughandle
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