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Jackson wins GOP nomination for lieutenant governor
Richmond Times Dispatch ^ | 5/19/2013 | 103198

Posted on 05/19/2013 6:45:42 AM PDT by 103198

E.W. Jackson, a minister and attorney from Chesapeake, pulled off a stunning upset last night, topping six rivals for the Republican nomination for lieutenant governor.

Jackson fended off a late charge by Pete Snyder, a Northern Virginia technology entrepreneur, capping an epic four-ballot battle at the Richmond Coliseum that lasted nearly 10 hours.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: blackconservatives; cuccinelli; ewjackson; gop; lieutenantgovernor; va2013; virginia
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It was one of the most interesting and dynamic political events I have ever attended. The "Republican Establishment" in Virginia did not win.
1 posted on 05/19/2013 6:45:42 AM PDT by 103198
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To: 103198

Nor did the Tea party.


2 posted on 05/19/2013 6:48:53 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Nor did the Tea party.

I'm just guessing from outide Va, but this smacks of me of a niche type victory (ala Santorum or Huckabee in Iowa Caucus) that carries little chance of widespread support.) Am I wrong? - I certainly hope I am.

3 posted on 05/19/2013 6:51:30 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: kabar

Jackson’s website points to connections to conservative activism.

He’s a lawyer and a preacher.


4 posted on 05/19/2013 6:52:23 AM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: 103198

What do you have against Markus Schmidt?


5 posted on 05/19/2013 6:53:01 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: C. Edmund Wright

In accepting the nomination Jackson told the crowd that he “was an American, not an African-American.”


6 posted on 05/19/2013 6:54:00 AM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: Nextrush

Well I hope he wins, and I tend to like him. And perhaps I am too sensitive to the niche type victory, which Iowa has shown to be a flawed concept election after election.


7 posted on 05/19/2013 6:55:09 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: 103198

I’ve heard some of his supporters call in to WMAL before... they lauded him, and were very cogent disimmenators of the issues. That’s what I like to hear: supporters who are listening and understand the issues enough to volunteer as surrogates.


8 posted on 05/19/2013 6:59:21 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: 103198

If he doesn’t play ball the pubbie establishment will deep six him.

Just ask Bret Schundler in NJ how that works. When the sitting pubbie governor supports the DIM candidate you know the pubbie establishment are crooks.


9 posted on 05/19/2013 7:01:50 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Katya

That’s very encouraging.....and a good indicator actually. Thanks for sharing.


10 posted on 05/19/2013 7:02:15 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Nextrush

A lawyer and preacher???? What a contradiction in life styles!!! :-)


11 posted on 05/19/2013 7:14:51 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; Nextrush
I was a delegate at the convention and voted in the nomination process. Jackson gave the best speech, but the reality is that he lacks the money and organization to conduct an effective campaign. It remains to be seen how that will affect the Governor and AG races.

There have been allegations of financial problems including bankruptcy with Jackson who has been a perpetual candidate for years in VA for all kinds of offices.

Corey Stewart received the VA Tea Party endorsement. He was the Tea Party candidate in this race. Pete Snider was the establishment candidate. Jackson is the gadfly candidate. IMO Jackson will be defeated soundly by the Dems in November.

I bet there will be a hue and cry by the establishment that we should have had a primary rather than a convention to nominate our candidates. There is no doubt that Jackson would have lost in a primary.

12 posted on 05/19/2013 7:14:55 AM PDT by kabar
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I’m in Virginia. I’m not familiar with Jackson. However, my Sunday paper says he’s known as a grassroots crusader for the Constitution and for social conservatism.


13 posted on 05/19/2013 7:15:16 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: kabar

Snyder vice Snider.


14 posted on 05/19/2013 7:16:19 AM PDT by kabar
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To: 103198

http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=51016


15 posted on 05/19/2013 7:16:48 AM PDT by Atlantan
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To: Nextrush

It says he is trained in the Baptist ministry. However, he trained at Harvard! That is a liberal teaching divinity school. Scares me to think what side of the training he got and kept. Pure Baptist or the liberal apostate side. I’d have to hear his messages to determine that.


16 posted on 05/19/2013 7:17:53 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: Black Agnes

Or heck, Mike Farris in Virginia. George Allen and Jim Gilmore moved forward after the 1993 election, but Farris never went anywhere again after a narrow loss to Don Beyer. .


17 posted on 05/19/2013 7:19:46 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: kabar

Thanks for the inside look:
Now, with the IRS scandal - and this is one that will NOT go away - dove tailing with the train wreck of Obama Care - perhaps his Constitutional bent and speech making ability will work with Cuccinelli and work out. I also don’t think an inside crony like McAuliffe will sell well in light of all of this.

As I recall, Virginia’s 09 election was almost a straight up and down the ballot referendum on Obama, the candidates were almost not relevant - and Obama got shellacked. If its that kind of referendum in ‘13, I think Obama gets shellacked again.


18 posted on 05/19/2013 7:23:04 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: RetiredArmy

Might I suggest you key on his Constitutional beliefs and not be so worried about his Harvard Divinity training. I don’t think he’s trying out for pastor at your church.


19 posted on 05/19/2013 7:24:01 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: kabar

Does every conservative have to be a Tea Party affiliate?


20 posted on 05/19/2013 7:27:28 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (The true Obama persona is emerging, the one from his first Presidential debate.)
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To: Black Agnes
If he doesn’t play ball the pubbie establishment will deep six him.

You've got that right. Look at how establishment republicans take to Sarah Palin.

21 posted on 05/19/2013 7:28:24 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: CatherineofAragon

He is a great man and one of the best men I have ever met.


22 posted on 05/19/2013 7:28:51 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: RetiredArmy

From Wikipedia:

Jackson was born on January 13, 1952 in Chester, Pennsylvania, the great-grandson of slaves.[2] His parents separated when he was a child, and he spent most of his childhood in a foster home.[3]

He eventually joined the United States Marine Corps, serving for three years. Following the Marines, he entered the University of Massachusetts Boston and received his degree in three years.[4] In 1978, he earned a law degree from Harvard Law School and practiced law in the Boston area for 15 years.[5]

He received a degree from the Harvard Divinity School, and became a preacher with the Ebenezer Baptist Church in Boston.[4]

Jackson taught administrative law at Northeastern University, and commercial law at Strayer University’s campuses in Chesapeake and Virginia Beach.

Raised a Democrat, his religious beliefs led him to embrace conservatism.[3] While in Boston, he appeared on several radio shows on WHDH, and hosted a nationally syndicated talk show, “Earl Jackson Across America.”[6]

In 1996, he joined with the Christian Coalition to head “The Samaritan Project,” an outreach program that distributed $500,000 to churches that were victims of arson. He served as a minister with the chapel of the Boston Red Sox for five years, and also served as the protestant chaplain for the Boston Fire Department.[4]

In June 1998, he was consecrated a bishop. Later that year, he and his family moved to Chesapeake, Virginia, and founded Exodus Faith Ministries.

On July 4, 2010, Jackson established Staying True to America’s National Destiny (STAND)[7] as a grassroots political organization, noted for its conservative stances on issues such as abortion, marriage, and government. In the same month, he made headlines[8] for his views condemning the New Black Panther Party in regard to voter intimidation.[9]

In 2012, he recorded a video appeal that generated national attention to blacks to leave the Democratic Party, saying it has abandoned the values of the black community and that blacks had developed a “slavish devotion” to the party.[10] He has spoken in black churches across the country on the issues facing the country and says he has received overwhelmingly positive responses


23 posted on 05/19/2013 7:29:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: kabar
I'll suggest that the Tea Party was really split between several candidates. The Richmond Tea Party and I believe Federation co-founder Jamie Radkte including the great activist Donna Holt supported Supervisor Susan Stimpson. The Middle Resolution that worked with some Tea Party groups evaluated the L.G. candidates and had Corey Stewart one, Pete Snyder two, and E. W. Jackson three. Other Tea Party groups supported other candidates indirectly including E. W. Jackson. In one sense, Tea Party groups can't endorse a candidate - ask the IRS.

I will also argue that at least 60% of the folks at the Convention yesterday have either direct or indirect ties to their local Tea Party organizations. They voted for the Bishop - so I see it really as a win for the Tea Party organizations, minus some of their leaders.

BTW, Corey Stewart walked hand-in-hand with Bishop Jackson around the Coliseum just before the last ballot.

24 posted on 05/19/2013 7:29:51 AM PDT by 103198
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To: C. Edmund Wright
As I recall, Virginia’s 09 election was almost a straight up and down the ballot referendum on Obama, the candidates were almost not relevant - and Obama got shellacked. If its that kind of referendum in ‘13, I think Obama gets shellacked again.

VA is a purple state. The race for governor will be very close. If the Dems get anywhere near the turnout they did in 2008 and 2012 in Northern VA, McAuliffe will win. The demographics of VA have been changing rapidly over the years. Immigration and minority birthrates will make VA blue in a decade.

The Obama scandals will hopefully affect the Dem turnout. Cuccinelli is a real conservative and a tireless and great campaigner. He could also be an energizing force for the Dems who have demonized him as a right wing radical. But make no mistake about it, this will be a close race.

As in 2009, this race will be held in an off-year

25 posted on 05/19/2013 7:32:46 AM PDT by kabar
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To: bmwcyle

That’s good to know-—thanks.


26 posted on 05/19/2013 7:34:54 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: Black Agnes
The Republican Party of Virginia has been transformed over the last five or more years from activist - I will argue.

Ken Cuccinelli is the most anti-RE candidate. He beat LG Bill Bolling at the organization game. When he was in the Commonwealth Senate, he constantly fought the RE in favor of the Constitution.

In general, the State Central Committee is comprised of 60% Tea Party and Ron/Rand Paul folks. The complete Virginia delegation stood against the ploy launched at the national convention last year - and lost. But they stood united against the RNC RE/Romney move that passed. Day by day, the Republican Party of the Virginia is becoming transformed.

27 posted on 05/19/2013 7:35:30 AM PDT by 103198
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To: Rennes Templar

If you want your conservatism taken seriously YES.


28 posted on 05/19/2013 7:36:01 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: kabar

Which is why the 08 and 12 turn outs are not relevant IMO.


29 posted on 05/19/2013 7:36:28 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Rennes Templar
Strike my last post.The guy is interesting(He is an American, not an African American)and I think that speaks volumes
30 posted on 05/19/2013 7:45:06 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE
If you want your conservatism taken seriously YES.

Funny... I can remember the time when the same thing was said, except with "Republican" replacing "Tea Party."

Slavish devotion to any "movement" or "party" is what got us into this mess in the first place. No party is the answer; conservatism is. If your devotion is to conservatism then your party is simply a vehicle. If your devotion is to your party, then your conservatism is a vehicle... to be abandoned when convenient.

So who cares if he's Tea Party? Is he conservative...?

31 posted on 05/19/2013 7:48:29 AM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: 103198
I'll suggest that the Tea Party was really split between several candidates. The Richmond Tea Party and I believe Federation co-founder Jamie Radkte including the great activist Donna Holt supported Supervisor Susan Stimpson. The Middle Resolution that worked with some Tea Party groups evaluated the L.G. candidates and had Corey Stewart one, Pete Snyder two, and E. W. Jackson three. Other Tea Party groups supported other candidates indirectly including E. W. Jackson. In one sense, Tea Party groups can't endorse a candidate - ask the IRS.

The Tea Party Federation including the Richmond Tea Party endorsed Stewart and Obenshain. Yes, Donna endorsed Stimpson. Donna is a Libertarian and Campaign for Liberty chairperson for VA. She is a big Ron and Rand Paul supporter.

Middle Resolution and the Tea Party Federation held interviews of all the candidates for LtGov and AG. You can view the interviews on the Internet. The vast majority of Tea Party groups are part of the Federation. A representative of each Tea Party federation member participated in the interview process along with Middle Resolution.

I will also argue that at least 60% of the folks at the Convention yesterday have either direct or indirect ties to their local Tea Party organizations. They voted for the Bishop - so I see it really as a win for the Tea Party organizations, minus some of their leaders.

Pure fantasy. I know for a fact that there was a major effort during the voting process to defeat Jackson by the Tea Party federation and MR people. The fear is that Jackson will not be a serious candidate and lacks the money and organization to run a real campaign.

There is no doubt that this was a serious defeat for the establishment similar to Jeff Frederick's victory as RPV Chairman.

BTW, Corey Stewart walked hand-in-hand with Bishop Jackson around the Coliseum just before the last ballot.

I was there and expected nothing less from Corey who was my choice.

32 posted on 05/19/2013 7:48:30 AM PDT by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind

“From Wikipedia:

Jackson was born on January 13, 1952 in Chester, Pennsylvania, the great-grandson of slaves.[2] His parents separated when he was a child, and he spent most of his childhood in a foster home.[3]”

I understood Jackson to say yesterday that he was born in Orange, Virginia. Perhaps he grew up in Orange, Virginia.

Our Obenshain bus left after the final voting so we missed Jackson’s acceptance speech. I hope it gets posted online so others can see his appeal.

I confirm what others have said about the transformation of the Virginia GOP over the past few years — the tea party candidates and influence is strong and the chairman, Pat Mullins gets and loves that.

My one confusion yesterday was candidate Pete Snyder who was introduced by Mike Farris and Oliver North yet seemed like such an establishment choice. I know his supporters are encouraging him to run next year for Senate. He might be a great guy and probably is considering who backs him.


33 posted on 05/19/2013 7:52:09 AM PDT by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: 103198
Knew that I've heard-of Bishop E.W. Jackson before...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi_KaZ53eDg

34 posted on 05/19/2013 7:53:55 AM PDT by ExcursionGuy84
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To: kabar
Corey who was my choice...

I love Corey Stewart, too. I hope he runs again.

35 posted on 05/19/2013 7:55:45 AM PDT by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
They are relevant because the Dems have been registering more and more voters. They have a first class GOTV organization.

I live in Fairfax County, the largest county in the state. In 2004, Kerry won FC, the first time a Presidential candidate did that since 1964. In 2008 Obama won by 110,000 votes and in 2012 by 90,000--mainly due to a huge effort by us to get out the GOP vote. This effort extended throughout the state yet Obama won handily. 30% of the population of FC is foreign born and those numbers continue to increase. Demography is destiny.

One third of the votes in the state are in NoVA. It is the fastest growing part of the state thanks to the honeypot of the federal government and crony capitalism. It will play a bigger and bigger role in statewide elections just like Cleveland, Detroit, and Philadelphia.

36 posted on 05/19/2013 7:56:11 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Rennes Templar

No.


37 posted on 05/19/2013 7:57:17 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Nextrush

>Jackson told the crowd that he “was an American, not an African-American.”

This Jackson sounds like to right one for the job already. This day is long overdue.


38 posted on 05/19/2013 8:01:07 AM PDT by soycd
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To: 103198
should we congratulate him?
39 posted on 05/19/2013 8:16:33 AM PDT by Drawn7979
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To: sleepy_hollow; Mad Dawg; EDINVA; JPG; Hawthorn; Paisan; ConservativeOrBust; VA_Gentleman; ...

VA Ping


40 posted on 05/19/2013 8:25:57 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I was there. His speech was one of the best I’ve ever seen. Maybe the best. It was obvious to me from the outset that he had more supporters there than anyone else. I was supporting another candidate, but I’m not disappointed by his win. We’ll have to wait to see how it plays out. We certainly have a conservative slate this go ‘round.


41 posted on 05/19/2013 8:26:30 AM PDT by KevinB (A country that would elect Barack Obama president twice is no longer worth fighting for.)
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To: 103198

I was there as a delegate yesterday. My primary motivation was to support Rob Bell for AG, who lost narrowly to the establishment candidate Mark Obenshain, although I believe he will be a reliable conservative when he takes office.

There were seven candidates for Lieutenant Governor, and I hadn’t sorted all that out in my mind before I went to Richmond Friday. A couple of observations:

Delegate Scott Lingamfelter had my attention. He was endorsed and introduced by Allen West who had served under him in the Army. Pretty strong recommendation. One shallow point that struck me was when I stopped by his hospitality suite on Friday was the five piece country band playing the theme song from “Petticoat Junction.” It occurred to me that that was out of synch with 2013 Virginia voters.

Entrepreneur Pete Snyder is a newcomer to politics, but has credible conservative chops. He had a strong endorsement too, as it was Oliver North that introduced him to the convention. The night before, his hospitality suite, which was right next door to Lingamfelter’s had buzz: the placed was packed, and there was a rockin’ country duo providing the music. Quite a contrast.

When it came time for the candidates to address the convention, I made my way to the side of the stage, and just waited in the wings to observe. I would have been happy with six of the seven speakers, but before EW Jackson took the stage, I liked him on paper, but was afraid that he might be voted in as a token.

Jackson raised the roof and brought down the house. As someone noted above, he proudly exclaimed that he was an American, not an African-American. He is dedicated to constitutional principles, the sanctity of life and the roll-back of Obamacare and its associated evils. I am aware that he has a bankruptcy in his past, but I see that as evidence of his authenticity: he is not someone who has spent decades preparing a saccharine resume to prepare for a political career. I am also impressed that he has spent several years in a campaign to warn Blacks to abandon the Democrat party.

I had the opportunity to meet Jackson and speak with him during the course of the day, and my impression that he is an authentic conservative and patriot only deepened, and so I stayed later than I had intended to help him clinch the nomination on the fourth ballot.

I am confident that he will stay true to his principles and has an excellent chance to win in November.


42 posted on 05/19/2013 8:27:36 AM PDT by quicksilver123
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To: kabar

I understand about all of that, and I understand that the GOTV apparatus is impressive. I understand it’s tight. But 08 and 12 are not relevant because Obama’s emotional tie to the voter is off the table. 09 and 10 happened AFTER 08. Obama also got less votes, and a full 2% lower vote total in 2012 in Virginia than he got in Virginia in 08.

For all of the demographics and growth in Northern Va and for all of their GOTV, they have polled worse in 09,10 and 12 than they did in 08, and 2013’s proper analogy is 09.


43 posted on 05/19/2013 8:35:33 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
So who cares if he's Tea Party? Is he conservative...?

E. W. Jackson YouTube Videos

Jackson’s Lieutenant Governor Website

44 posted on 05/19/2013 8:40:47 AM PDT by Perseverando (The truth is hate to those who hate the truth.)
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To: 103198

http://www.mediaite.com/online/virginias-gop-lt-gov-nominee-previously-wrote-about-obamas-muslim-sensibilities/

Virginia’s GOP Lt. Gov. Nominee: Obama Has ‘Muslim Perspective’ Toward The World

by Meenal Vamburkar | 10:09 am, May 19th, 2013 » 18 comments

Virginia Republicans have chosen have conservative minister E.W. Jackson as the nominee for lieutenant governor — making him, according to the Associated Press, the first black candidate the party has nominated for statewide office since 1988. In the past, it appears Jackson has made some charged remarks about President Obama.

As BuzzFeed’s Andrew Kaczynski noted, Jackson is the man behind STAND America PAC, which aims to “recruit and support conservative black candidates to run against liberals in Congressional Black Caucus districts.”

Jackson also ran a blog where he wrote about Obama’s “Muslim perspective” toward the world and Israel. Citing the Muslim Brotherhood, Jackson further pointed to a “strain of anti-Semitism” that has influenced the president.

“Obama clearly has Muslim sensibilities. He sees the world and Israel from a Muslim perspective,” Jackson wrote. The post — which is archived here and here — went on to say:

His construct of “The Muslim World” is unique in modern diplomacy. It is said that only The Muslim Brotherhood and other radical elements of the religion use that concept. It is a call to unify Muslims around the world. It is rather odd to hear an American President use it. In doing so he reveals more about his thinking than he intends. The dramatic policy reversal of joining the unrelentingly ant-Semitic, anti-Israel and pro-Islamic UN Human Rights Council is in keeping with the President’s truest – albeit undeclared – sensibilities

Those who are paying attention and thinking about these issues do not find it unreasonable to consider that President Obama is influenced by a strain of anti-Semitism picked up from the black community, his leftist friends and colleagues, his Muslim associations and his long period of mentorship under Jeremiah Wright. If this conclusion is accurate, Israel has some dark days ahead. For the first time in her history, she may find the President of the United States siding with her enemies. Those who believe as I do that Israel must be protected had better be ready for the fight. We are. NEVER AGAIN!

Jackson will run alongside Ken Cuccinelli.


45 posted on 05/19/2013 9:11:18 AM PDT by COUNTrecount (Clear eyes. Full hearts. Can't fail .But We Did.)
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To: 103198

a lieutenant gov race is breaking news for the nation? ...can I put something on there about the Tulsa Mayfest?


46 posted on 05/19/2013 9:17:00 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: C. Edmund Wright
We will just agree to disagree. I have lived in this area for 35 years. VA is a purple state and will be blue in a decade.

We put an incredible effort into GOTV in 2012--more than 10 times the number of door knocks and contacts. Despite a failed Obama presidency, Obama defied the laws of political gravity and won easily in VA and nationwide.

In VA Obama received 12,000 more votes in 2012 than 2008 and Romney almost a 100,000 more votes than McCain and still lost by 150,000 votes.

Obama also got less votes, and a full 2% lower vote total in 2012 in Virginia than he got in Virginia in 08.

Simply not true as far as the number of votes received. He got more in 2012.

47 posted on 05/19/2013 9:23:23 AM PDT by kabar
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To: 103198
He received a degree from the Harvard Divinity School, and became a preacher with the Ebenezer Baptist Church in Boston. ... In June 1998, he was consecrated a bishop.

Interesting. In the Baptist church I know, we don't have bishops.

48 posted on 05/19/2013 9:32:21 AM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: Rennes Templar

You don’t find real Conservatives in the elite party.


49 posted on 05/19/2013 9:34:59 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: kabar

I know very little about the guy, but we’ll see how this plays out in the general election.


50 posted on 05/19/2013 9:43:00 AM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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