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Has the IRS Already Seized Your Medical Records?
The American Spectator ^ | May 20, 2013 | David Catron

Posted on 05/20/2013 12:14:04 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

As gratifying as it was to see the “news” media actually do its job last week when the IRS scandal broke, it was also odd that the coverage focused exclusively on abuses of power relating to various Tea Party and anti-abortion groups. A much scarier IRS story has been virtually ignored by the establishment press. On Wednesday, it was reported that a class-action lawsuit had been filed against a group of IRS agents who, according to the complaint filed by “John Doe Company” in the Southern District of California, “stole more than 60,000,000 medical records of more than 10,000,000 Americans, including at least 1,000,000 Californians.”

Before I get to the feature of this case that will really scare the pants off you, a little more background: This tawdry tale began in 2011 with an IRS investigation concerning one former employee of “John Doe Company” pursuant to which a search warrant was obtained. This warrant didn’t authorize the seizure of anyone’s medical records, but the IRS agents “threatened to ‘rip’ the servers containing the medical data out of the building if IT personnel would not voluntarily hand them over.” They proceeded to seize the records “without making any attempt to segregate the files from those that could possibly be related to the search warrant.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1984; 4thamendment; bigbrother; bullystate; contractors; healthcare; identitytheft; idtheft; irs; irsmedicalrecords; irsscandals; johndoecompany; lawsuit; medicalrecords; nannystate; obamacare; scandals; theft

1 posted on 05/20/2013 12:14:04 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; ...

Combined General and (Obamacare) Nanny State PING!


2 posted on 05/20/2013 12:15:04 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The purpose of any nationalized health care system is to deny medical treatment to those who oppose tyranny.


3 posted on 05/20/2013 12:15:30 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

True, but it’s also a great fix for the long term funding problems of SS and Medicare.

Every year off the life expectancy is a big savings.

Worried about killing of grandma? Here kid we’ll forgive your student loans....


4 posted on 05/20/2013 12:17:33 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: MrB

That and get rid of the boomers and beyond.


5 posted on 05/20/2013 12:22:34 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Since I never give my doctor my SSN it might be difficult for them.


6 posted on 05/20/2013 12:27:46 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Doctors are now required to have all records entered into a government- mandated computer database, so they have access to your records already. No “siezing” necessary.
7 posted on 05/20/2013 12:33:36 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: cuban leaf

Going forward it might not be possible for your doctor to be licensed w/o completing certain paperwork on their patients.


8 posted on 05/20/2013 12:36:12 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: cuban leaf

Since I never give my doctor my SSN it might be difficult for them.”

Doesn’t matter. For example,if you have mental health coverage through United Behavioral Health - an arm of United Healthcare - your benefits can be obtained by using your name and date of birth. Then when the claim is paid, the print-out accompanying the Electronic Funds Transfer lists your SS#.

Same info is available through other carriers but may take a bit more ingenuity to get it. Medicare uses your SS# plus a letter at the end.

Bottom line is if it’s out there anywhere it can be obtained by anyone.


9 posted on 05/20/2013 12:39:38 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

"The key to Marxism is medicine."

In other words, control a person's access to medicine and Marxism is complete.

10 posted on 05/20/2013 12:45:28 PM PDT by Slyfox (The red face of shame is proof that the conscience is still operational.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Not totally true. For Medicare they are using the carrot and stick approach. No reduction in payment if you use is the carrot plus at one time they did provide the software. The stick is reduction in payment plus the physician had to pay for the software.

Doctors don’t have to have any records if you are private pay. Billing for commercial insurance goes to a clearing house. Yes, they have some info on your but it is diagnosis code, biographical info and ID number. It is my understanding that this information will be used by the Obamacare bean counters to determine “appropriate” levels of care. If your age is X and your diagnosis is Y, then your allowed treatment will be Z.

The big push was originally at large groups and hospitals, not single providers. The only ones who really saw any benefit from the special software were the companies that were able to sell it.


11 posted on 05/20/2013 12:47:26 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: cuban leaf

Since I never give my doctor my SSN it might be difficult for them.

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The doctor is just one small segment in the process. Payments changing hands between medical facilities/insurance/payment centers/banks/clearing houses/etc may contain more info than you think about you and your medical records.


12 posted on 05/20/2013 12:50:12 PM PDT by deport
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To: deport

Resistance is futile. Back to work peasant!


13 posted on 05/20/2013 1:02:41 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: MrB

“The purpose of any nationalized health care system is to deny medical treatment to those who oppose tyranny.”

It appears that they are employing any means necessary to rid themselves of all “competition.” With Obamacare, they will simply cause your death by denial of medical care. It’s not really much different than what they’ve done with the myriad of “alphabet soup” federal agencies like the IRS,EPA,OSHA, etc. And silly us, we thought that Muslims were our biggest problem!


14 posted on 05/20/2013 1:11:40 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Putting the most hated department in government (boy is that saying a lot), the IRS, in charge of CommieCare is nothing more than progressives poking us in the eye and daring us to respond.

Come on, you cannot have this many alphabet departments abusing government power without a agenda of provoking the citizens into action. There can be no other reason for the ammo build up.

Remember Japan waking the sleeping giant? Some of us are awake while others seem to be in a deep stupor.


15 posted on 05/20/2013 1:27:08 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: DownInFlames

That and get rid of the boomers and beyond.


All of us who remember the “real” America.


16 posted on 05/20/2013 1:43:04 PM PDT by boxlunch
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

All the prior articles on this say it was 60,000, not 60,000,000. It doesn’t help our side to put out bogus numbers that become the focus, rather than the theft.


17 posted on 05/20/2013 1:48:35 PM PDT by aimhigh (Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Of course the gubmint has your records.
Why do ya think the entire medical industry was FORCED to do away with paper records and to go electronic?


18 posted on 05/20/2013 1:49:58 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

19 posted on 05/20/2013 1:57:44 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
You know the only power we might have?

Eat well, rest, drink plenty of fluids, take your vitamins and supplements and live long.

Live Long to stick around and be a thorn in the side of these socialist ****heads...

20 posted on 05/20/2013 2:33:08 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

How do we find out if we`ve been the victim of this crap?


21 posted on 05/20/2013 3:13:48 PM PDT by nomad
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To: deport

The doctor is just one small segment in the process. Payments changing hands between medical facilities/insurance/payment centers/banks/clearing houses/etc may contain more info than you think about you and your medical records.


True. The payment part through insurance can be tricky. Fortunately I’ve only been to see a doctor on very rare occasion. I had shoulder surgery two years ago. Other than that, I like to say that if I ever get cancer I will die of it because they won’t find it until I go to the doctor complaining about the acute symptoms.


22 posted on 05/20/2013 5:39:04 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: deport

The doctor is just one small segment in the process. Payments changing hands between medical facilities/insurance/payment centers/banks/clearing houses/etc may contain more info than you think about you and your medical records.


True. The payment part through insurance can be tricky. Fortunately I’ve only been to see a doctor on very rare occasion. I had shoulder surgery two years ago. Other than that, I like to say that if I ever get cancer I will die of it because they won’t find it until I go to the doctor complaining about the acute symptoms.

Think “Warren Zevon”.


23 posted on 05/20/2013 5:39:21 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Black Agnes

Going forward it might not be possible for your doctor to be licensed w/o completing certain paperwork on their patients.


It’s not all that relevant to me. I had shoulder surgery a couple of years ago, but besides my occasional cash payment trips to a Chiropractor, I really don’t have much need for doctors. I really don’t care what they tell the government, regarding what they actually know that the government doesn’t - which is not much.


24 posted on 05/20/2013 5:45:06 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

That’s a good tack, generally. Just hope you’re never in an auto accident or some such situation where you require modern medicine.

Because based on these guys ‘use’ of IRS resources you can bet you won’t be getting that trauma unit or icu bed and you can just forget medivac altogether.


25 posted on 05/20/2013 6:03:14 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: aimhigh

60 million records, 10 million people

“A lawsuit filed in California accuses the Internal Revenue Service of illegal seizure of 60 million electronic health care records belonging to 10 million Americans.”

http://www.nextgov.com/health/2013/05/lawsuit-says-irs-illegally-seized-60-million-health-records/63179/


26 posted on 05/20/2013 6:23:10 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: TArcher

You are right. I must need new glasses.


27 posted on 05/20/2013 7:50:26 PM PDT by aimhigh (Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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To: aimhigh

Those kinds of numbers are pretty shocking.

What’s even worse is the behavior of the defendants in the case who [allegedly] just moved in and enjoyed the facilities as if they were occupying the Eagles Nest.

Is it 1933 yet?


28 posted on 05/20/2013 7:57:55 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


29 posted on 05/20/2013 8:12:41 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: aimhigh

Links?


30 posted on 05/21/2013 6:22:58 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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