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Detroit roars back after years of quality issues
NBC ^ | May 20, 2013 | Paul A. Eisenstein The Detroit Bureau

Posted on 05/20/2013 5:09:14 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty

Is Motor City getting its mojo back?

After years of losing loyal customers frustrated by quality and reliability problems, domestic automakers are showing a new-found focus on customer service that is winning back skeptics – boosting sales, market share and profits.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: automakers; chrysler; detroit; ford; fordmotor; gm; manufacturing; michigan; uaw
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Of course, Chrysler is now a foreign owned nameplate, and GM??? I'm glad we still have Ford.
1 posted on 05/20/2013 5:09:14 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
Ford or foreign for me.

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2 posted on 05/20/2013 5:13:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

None for me, thanks all the same. If the UAW built it, I won’t even consider buying it—and anyway, the Japanese make better cars.


3 posted on 05/20/2013 5:13:44 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

In recent years I’ve made it a point to avoid buying stuff made in China and by this country’s Communist unions whenever possible.I’ve been successful in terms of motor vehicles since 1990.Every car I’ve bought since then has been made in Japan or Germany and not one was sold by the “Big Three”.


4 posted on 05/20/2013 5:15:37 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: cripplecreek

I own a 1969 F-150 that I will never sell. But my daily driver is German.


5 posted on 05/20/2013 5:16:08 PM PDT by South40
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

NBC? Can we find a reputable source on this?


6 posted on 05/20/2013 5:16:44 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

Good question.


7 posted on 05/20/2013 5:17:11 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

‘Mark Reuss, president of GM’s North American operations, admits the maker long was producing “crappy cars.” ‘

Good to know.


8 posted on 05/20/2013 5:17:13 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: SampleMan

Apparently not:

http://autos.jdpower.com/ratings/dependability.htm

This car reliability study measures problems experienced during the past 12 months by original owners of three-year-old (2010 model year) vehicles...


9 posted on 05/20/2013 5:20:11 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: South40

Mine’s a 91.


10 posted on 05/20/2013 5:21:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: South40
daily driver is German.

A Bavarian Murder Weapon ? or a Chrysler Killer.

11 posted on 05/20/2013 5:21:57 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (The Government is actively preparing to go to War with a significant portion of its own Citizens.)
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To: Standing Wolf
If the UAW built it, I won’t even consider buying it—and anyway, the Japanese make better cars.

BINGO !!!

12 posted on 05/20/2013 5:25:48 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (The Government is actively preparing to go to War with a significant portion of its own Citizens.)
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To: Ouderkirk

A6


13 posted on 05/20/2013 5:27:00 PM PDT by South40
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Michigan's rebound is a lot less due to the auto industry than it has been in the past.

Democrat U.S. Rep. Gary Peters Praises Michigan's GOP-Led Recovery
14 posted on 05/20/2013 5:27:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

I love my truck but one thing I really like. It is 100% exempt from all of the Peoples’ Republik of Kalifornia emission control standards. The cutoff year is 1976; anything older is exempt. :-)


15 posted on 05/20/2013 5:30:04 PM PDT by South40
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To: South40

My cousin had a 52 Ford pick up (?) that came factory equipped with 1 tail light that was legal with a classic plate and proper hand signals.


16 posted on 05/20/2013 5:33:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
La De Flippin Da...

In the early 2000's 2004ish to 2006-ish, the quality was their, it was the Big Talk of the NAIAS in Detroit and Paul W. Smith was on a screed about. The Engineers were tear-@$$ because they knew they had an equal product but dip-wads like Thomas Friedman came to the NAIAS and made fun of the Excursion and couldn't see the forest through the trees.

The bottom line is quality and engineering has been their for a while, it has just taken the lame streams eons to notice, ( Note many from certain Blue areas of the Country will still never Notice) either that or they want to get aboard the The New Chrysler IPO and are talking things up, yes I am that cynical...

17 posted on 05/20/2013 5:35:29 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

I love the “holier than thou” folks who buy Japanese or German vehicles due to the evil UAW.

I see nothing noble about supporting communist foreign unions and foreign corporations who give a large percentage of your purchase price to a socialist government.

So, please spare me the “my vehicle is more pure than your vehicle” pablum.


18 posted on 05/20/2013 5:37:52 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Standing Wolf
None for me, thanks all the same. If the UAW built it, I won’t even consider buying it—and anyway, the Japanese make better cars.

Maybe before, but not any more. But keep helping out the Japanese. I'm sure they'll thank you in the long run.
19 posted on 05/20/2013 5:38:06 PM PDT by Vladiator
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

All vehicles are more reliable these days. Someone who wants a compact can pretty pick any of the five or even ten best sellers and not make too big a mistake. Same with mid-size cars.


20 posted on 05/20/2013 5:40:09 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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21 posted on 05/20/2013 5:42:22 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Years of quality issues?

Try decades of quality issues.

22 posted on 05/20/2013 5:45:18 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
I see nothing noble about supporting communist foreign unions and foreign corporations who give a large percentage of your purchase price to a socialist government.

They don't support the socialist government here. There's a huge difference.

Besides, most "foreign" makes are made in America by Americans who aren't forced to pay union dues (that support a socialist government here).

23 posted on 05/20/2013 5:46:24 PM PDT by EricT. (Another Muslim terrorist. Who saw that coming?)
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To: Vladiator

The Japanese aren't trying to turn us into a socialist gulag. The UAW supports politicians who are.

24 posted on 05/20/2013 5:48:11 PM PDT by EricT. (Another Muslim terrorist. Who saw that coming?)
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To: Vladiator
Maybe before, but not any more. But keep helping out the Japanese. I'm sure they'll thank you in the long run.

The Japanese aren't trying to turn us into a socialist gulag. The UAW supports politicians who are.

25 posted on 05/20/2013 5:48:37 PM PDT by EricT. (Another Muslim terrorist. Who saw that coming?)
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To: Erik Latranyi
If you want to buy an American-made vehicle, your best bet is to go with a Toyota, a Honda, a Nissan, a Kia or a Hyundai.

Go figure.

26 posted on 05/20/2013 5:54:35 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: jjotto

I agree with you. I think longevity, not short-term reliability, is what really distinguishes a well-made vehicle from its competitors. You aren’t likely to find much of a difference in the quality of most vehicles until you get out past the 150,000-mile mark.


27 posted on 05/20/2013 5:56:08 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: Erik Latranyi

2008 silverado. Tickled pink!
68k no problem.

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28 posted on 05/20/2013 5:58:21 PM PDT by Iron head mike (The government will soon make criminals of us all.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Toyota didn’t get a reputation of being good for over 300,000 miles by building junk, and Americans didn’t choose to abandon American cars and put Americans out of work in spite of being the best built cars available. Reputations are earned, and if UAW built cars have a reputation for being poorly built...


29 posted on 05/20/2013 5:59:48 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I just buy the most reliable car. They happen to be Japanese. When American cars become competitive I’ll consider them, but I’ve been burned one too many times by gm and ford.


30 posted on 05/20/2013 6:04:52 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

I will never buy another UAW made car. I would be happy to buy a GM or Chysler or Ford, after they get rid of the UAW. The UAW can have their political hacks the Democrats steal my tax money to give it to them, but they’ll never get another dime from me any other way.


31 posted on 05/20/2013 6:06:55 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Erik Latranyi

Well, my family owns 3 Hyundai Sonotas 04,06,07

Good cars, largely made in the US now. Not supporting commies (domestic or foreign).

Cars are a major expense for folks like me, and the bottom line is that I have to buy the best product, best price and best service. I got screwed by GM multiple times, just had enough of sh1t customer service from the corporate level on down [not] backing up the aforementioned shoddy products.

Had Toyotas for a decade, got fed up with arrogant dealers and over priced products.

Next car purchase time I will talk to Ford and Hyundai and may the best maker win.


32 posted on 05/20/2013 6:14:52 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Unless someone else bought a Corvette for me, no way would I own something by Government Motors. They can suck eggs, not a dime from me.

I do wish there was a viable alternative to the Jeep Wrangler available. Need to buy something rugged enough to survive backroads strewn with lava rock and do not want a truck.

33 posted on 05/20/2013 6:21:53 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
My Honda Pilot rocks. Smoothest ride I've ever been in.

A side benefit => if I ever wreck, the SUV gets all the blame!

34 posted on 05/20/2013 6:46:52 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Alberta's Child
The Truth About Cars

...After 64,049 vehicles tallied, the brands with the highest percentage of models with over 180k are…

1. Honda

2. Toyota

3. Lexus

4. Acura

and a surprising 5th…

5. GMC

The first four have 20+% of their trade-ins with over 180k. GMC is at just over 17%.

Now for an even bigger shocker…

13% of Mitsubishis are now traded in with over 180k. I happen to finance an awful lot of them these days with a clear conscience. So this is no surprise from where I sit.

Meanwhile, Mercedes tallies a mere 6.9%. BMW yields 5.9%. Audi barely hits the mileage pedal with only 4.5%, while VW does little better, even with dozens of TDI models, at 4.9%.

To further crown the European propensity for penurious plentitude when it comes to all things mileage related, the two absolute worst marques for mileage are Jaguar at 2.6% and Land Rover at 2.8%. Porsche is even worse at 0.52%. But since a Porsche daily driver is an exception rather than the rule, we gave it a bye.

On the homefront, we have one other surprise. Cadillac is barely beating the bad old Kias of the 90′s and early 2000′s. 3.8% for the former Northstar division vs. 3.7% for a company that brought us shitboxes such as the Sephia and the early Kia Rios...

35 posted on 05/20/2013 6:50:59 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto
Hmm, the first four are primarily passenger cars, GMC is solely a truck maker.

I suspect there is a lesson there that explains this.

36 posted on 05/20/2013 6:59:17 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

03 Silverado - just over 295,000 miles.


37 posted on 05/20/2013 7:21:07 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: doorgunner69

FJ Cruiser is the closest thing to a Wrangler competitor I can think of. Land Rover LR2 if you’re a mechanic with money. Maybe Nissan Xterra.


38 posted on 05/20/2013 7:32:49 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Standing Wolf
None for me, thanks all the same. If the UAW built it, I won’t even consider buying it—and anyway, the Japanese make better cars.

That's my thinking too. First, if NBC is pushing it, I don't believe it without independent proof. Second, every single UAW built vehicle I have had over the last 33 years has had major problems - repairs costing hundreds, even thousands of dollars. That is over and above the normal preventative maintenance. Yes, I'm one of those people that actually follow the manufacturers guidelines and get all the recommended maintenance done. Not that it has helped.

My Japanese built car is nearing 6 years and 100K miles and literally all it has had done/added/replaced: fuel, washer fluid, oil & filters, tires, radiator flushed, fuel filter, K&N air filter, one set of wiper blades. No brakes, brake fluid, belts, clutch hydraulic fluid, power steering fluid, original battery, not even light bulbs.

The UAW "American Made" vehicles I've had have never made it past even 60k miles - by that time I've sunk thousands into them for mechanical failures. Sure, I'd love to buy American, etc. but I simply cannot afford the lost $ and I need something that when I turn the key in the morning I know is going to get me to work. That has not been my experience with UAW vehicles - every single one has left me stranded on the side of the road or in a parking lot somewhere. Every single one. My Japanese car has never failed to start, no matter how cold, wet, hot, high or low altitude, sit for two weeks...

39 posted on 05/20/2013 7:46:47 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Detroit can shove it, as far as I’m concerned. The UAW owns that place, and with our money, they own Michigan politics (at least at the federal level) and have substantial influence in neighboring states.

I have never bought a new car made by those America-haters and I never will.


40 posted on 05/20/2013 7:53:18 PM PDT by BobL (To us it's a game, to them it's personal - therefore they win.)
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To: ThunderSleeps
My Japanese built car is nearing 6 years and 100K miles and literally all it has had done/added/replaced: fuel, washer fluid, oil & filters, tires, radiator flushed, fuel filter, K&N air filter, one set of wiper blades. No brakes, brake fluid, belts, clutch hydraulic fluid, power steering fluid, original battery, not even light bulbs.

Yeah. To be fair, I've never owned a Japanese car with a cigarette lighter that lasted longer than about six months; even so, lighters and the battery in my current Subaru are all I've had to replace since buying my first Mitsubishi in 1988. The Hondas and Accura were the best of the bunch, but even the Subaru beats the socks off anything made in Detroit I've ever owned or rented.

41 posted on 05/20/2013 8:34:10 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: cripplecreek

Oh yes proper hand signals. I taught my daughters how to do all the hand signals, I remembered it being on my driving test though I never drove anything without blinkers. They still laugh about being the only ones their age to even know there was such a thing.


42 posted on 05/20/2013 8:39:04 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: jjotto
A lot of FJs here on the Big Island, a few tricked out like the owners are serious about going on rough roads. Wish they could be opened up like a Wrangler for hot weather, and they are a bit bulky looking. Dunno how that translates to maneuvering off road......

Would not touch a Land Rover, like buying a grenade with a missing pin I think. Never cared for Datsun products or the buying segment they seem to cater to. Oh well.

Too bad Toyota no longer makes the Land Cruiser or whatever it was way back when. Probably be more expensive than a Land Rover equivalent that they were copying though.

43 posted on 05/20/2013 9:14:44 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Standing Wolf

I don’t use lighters. I’d gladly replace them though instead of things like: fuel pumps, rotors, a radiator, wheel bearings, upper control arm bushings, seat belts, lifters and a cam, computers, egr system clogs, belts that break so violently they bend alternator mounts, torsion spring, or having a body rust so badly the entire cab shifts on the frame and binds up the steering. All these things and a host of more minor gripes have befallen my vehicles from the big three. No more.


44 posted on 05/20/2013 9:27:29 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I always get a good laugh from these auto related threads. Quality and reliabilty between manufacturers is pretty much par when testing comparable vehicles, and has been for quite a few years. As far as foreign vs. domestic, regardless of manufacture, they all get their parts from the same pool of suppliers, whether it be a lexus, or a cadillac. I worked for a supplier for a few years, and if you own a late model GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, or Hyundai, they all have the exact same parts, assembled in a plant that I worked at (that wasn’t union BTW), from materials sourced from china, mexico, and SE asia. I won’t buy any vehicle made after 1995, because I’ve seen what goes into newer vehcles, and most of it is cheap chinese crap.


45 posted on 05/20/2013 9:49:04 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
I've owned my Honda for 18 years now and it's rusting out due their not galvanizing the steel in that model.

I'm going the two year lease route now so reliability isn't an issue since it'll be under warranty (not that I expect any problems anyway) till I turn it in for a new one......

46 posted on 05/21/2013 3:15:43 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: Hot Tabasco

My BIL has an 11 year old Kia and there is nothing wrong with it besides peeling paint and a broken door handle some kid decided to treat like a bungee cord.


47 posted on 05/21/2013 3:17:42 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: doorgunner69

Toyota does make the Land Cruiser still. Great off-roader. But it’s an expensive luxe monster like the MB Gelandwagen. FJs are great off-road, but I hate the claustrophobic interior and lack of removable top.

No real current model from any manufacturer is direct competitor for the Wrangler.

The 1960-1984 Toyota 40-series Land Cruisers are Wrangler-like and considered classics. My BIL has a very nice one, and off-roads it a lot.

The ‘84-’89 Toyota 4Runners have removable tops.


48 posted on 05/21/2013 5:04:52 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
I have a '04 F150 with 205k miles and still going strong. No major repairs ever.
The second longest lasting vehicle I've owned is a '96 Benz C230: 160k+ now and still rolling. Two repairs that totaled around $800.
Next on my list was a Geo Metro which hit 120k miles before I traded it in. Beyond wear-and-tear items, I only replaced an O2 sensor on it.
Most problem-prone vehicle I've owned: '78 Datsun 810. Not worth the cost of the sheet metal used to make it.
Disclaimer: I might have a couple of the model years off by a year or two.
49 posted on 05/21/2013 8:43:46 AM PDT by DesertSapper (Becoming more libertarian by the day)
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To: taildragger
The bottom line is quality and engineering has been their for a while

It's been their what? Their Waterloo?

50 posted on 05/21/2013 9:12:54 AM PDT by jammer
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