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7 Children Drowned In Basement Of Elementary School
CBS Houston ^ | May 21,2013 | CBS Houston

Posted on 05/21/2013 6:58:39 AM PDT by Biggirl

MOORE, Okla. (CBS Houston/AP) — Search and rescue crews worked through the night after a monstrous tornado barreled through the Oklahoma City suburbs, demolishing an elementary school and reducing homes to piles of splintered wood. At least 24 people were killed and and that number is expected to climb, officials said Tuesday.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: children; drowning; moore; oklahoma; school; tornado; weather
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1 posted on 05/21/2013 6:58:39 AM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

And showbiz “progressives” will mock the victims because they’re not from Vermont...or California...or Maryland but...GASP...OKLAHOMA!


2 posted on 05/21/2013 7:02:49 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Biggirl

Where is the Superintendent of the Moore ISD to give an explanation of why his district did not dismiss at 1:00 PM as the OKC schools did? In the last week of school, nothing that crucial is being done that it should cost he injury and death of those children. There should be consequences for this wrong-headed decision.

OKC weathermen, headed by the Dean of Tornado Warnings, Gary England, know when to sound the alarm about incoming weather there. They should ALWAYS be obeyed because they are 99% correct.


3 posted on 05/21/2013 7:03:47 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Biggirl

I can’t get the original article to stay up on my screen so that I can read it. How did this happen?


4 posted on 05/21/2013 7:05:38 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: txrefugee

It makes me wonder too, because does not the southern, southwestern schools get out first for the summer by Memorial Day?


5 posted on 05/21/2013 7:08:24 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: txrefugee

Dismiss to where? To go home only to be killed or injured as that F5 ripped the house apart?


6 posted on 05/21/2013 7:08:44 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Here it is:

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/05/21/7-children-drowned-in-basement-of-elementary-school/


7 posted on 05/21/2013 7:09:07 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Look for it to be declared an F5. I cannot understand why it was given an F4 instead.


8 posted on 05/21/2013 7:10:11 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: txrefugee

Would dismissal at 1:00 pm had those children on the road or going to homes where there were no parents? They may have thought the storm was too imminent to send the buses out.


9 posted on 05/21/2013 7:11:25 AM PDT by madison10
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To: Biggirl

Obama just said in presser that ‘the children were sheltering in the safest place they knew...their schools’.

If dems did not spend so much money on pointless crap like globull warming and obamaphones...perhaps they could have built better shelters for those in Oklahoma schools!!


10 posted on 05/21/2013 7:12:43 AM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: Biggirl

It still won’t stay up on my screen. It loads half way and then clicks to blank. Why did 7 children drown? Was there a flood? Broken pipes? Were there other children in the basement who did not drown?

Somebody who has actually read the story, please comment.


11 posted on 05/21/2013 7:13:12 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Biggirl

This is heartbreaking... my prayers for the families and all who are affected by this disaster.


12 posted on 05/21/2013 7:14:35 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: txrefugee

What about drills did they have such things during the school year? Was someone supposed to shut off the water and electricity and gas during this coming storm? I’m just asking questions ....


13 posted on 05/21/2013 7:14:49 AM PDT by angcat
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To: angcat

I do not know, because this storm came quickly.


14 posted on 05/21/2013 7:16:01 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Yes, I read it was broken pipes. I can’t imagine there was a basement. Modern schools don’t have basements. Perhaps it was a maintenance room.


15 posted on 05/21/2013 7:17:21 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Kids were in basement. When a 2” water main feeding the school is compromised that is prob 1000 gals a minute being flowed into the basement. This is just an estimate on the volume of water flowing to the basement and the piping size but I would say a 2” main would be needed to operate the facility. Bricks and mortar look strong and are to a certain degree but not against 200+ mile an hour winds. Plus you have the cave in factor of the materials falling in on those below.
All one can say is “ It was a bad decision, A basement can seem the safest place but depending what is on top of that basement, Feeding that area it can be fatal”


16 posted on 05/21/2013 7:17:26 AM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: madison10

How did the much larger OKC school district manage to safely dismiss their students? Perhaps neighboring districts should ask for their plan. They dismissed two and a half hours before the storm struck, so there was ample time.

Sending kids to a basement with overhead water pipes was not a safe plan, obviously.


17 posted on 05/21/2013 7:17:42 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Biggirl

I thought with all the radar this was know for that day. I’m so upset I can’t even concentrate at work. The one thing I cannot handle is children dying it’s too much.


18 posted on 05/21/2013 7:21:15 AM PDT by angcat
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To: Biggirl
Who the hell builds elementary schools in Oklahoma without proper storm and tornado shelters?

This was all very foreseeable.

19 posted on 05/21/2013 7:23:49 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: txrefugee

We know people who tried to get their children out of the school 25 minutes before it was demolished. There’s no excuse for not releasing the children to those parents who showed up in time. The schools do not own the children, and parents should have both the ultimate authority and responsibility for their children.

That said, this discussion isn’t going to help anyone right now. There will be plenty of time later to hold the school leadership responsible. As for the individual teachers, it appears they heroically did everything possible to protect the children.


20 posted on 05/21/2013 7:27:26 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“I can’t imagine there was a basement. Modern schools don’t have basements.”

Midwest schools in storm areas have basements. I lives in Dayton for awhile and the school had a basement specifically for tornadoes. No water mains, heavy ceiling, etc.


21 posted on 05/21/2013 7:29:31 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Responsibility2nd; Conserev1

OMG — How horrible. e used to be ushered down into the basement for bombing drills during WWII. This was an old, brick school (now illegal in CA because of earthquake hazards). I can’t imagine that that rickety old school would have protected us much, especially since the walls were lined with tall bookshelves that stored all of the out of season books.

The children sat on the floor in front of the dusty old bookshelves with our arms around our knees and heads down. I can just imagine all the books tumbling down at the first shock wave, and then the shelves toppling over on the kids.


22 posted on 05/21/2013 7:32:06 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Responsibility2nd

Responsibility2nd: “To go home only to be killed or injured as that F5 ripped the house apart?”

That is the parent’s decision to make, not the schools.

If you don’t live here, you don’t probably understand exactly how accurate tornado tracking is in Oklahoma City. We were about 2 miles from it and watched it as it went past. Why didn’t we run to shelter? Because the news was reporting its exact location (confirmed by our own observations).

Unless one is right in the path of these things, the risk of injury or destruction is virtually nil. With as accurate as the news is, it’s possible to simply drive a mile or two out of the tornado’s path. Although that’s not wise in most cases, it’s probably better than trying to hunker down in a structure that’s directly in the path of a F-5 tornado.

Bottom line: parents should have the ultimate authority and responsibility for their children. It’s their decision to make.


23 posted on 05/21/2013 7:34:58 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Biggirl

News stories all over Australia about that tornado. A question: It was reported that 24 children were killed but no mention of school staff. Were they there?


24 posted on 05/21/2013 7:35:11 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I heard on the news this morning that students (high school, I’m thinking) were sheltered into the locker rooms just before the storm hit. Some quick thinking individual thought about the football helmets. So as the debris started flying, at least these helmets were used for some protection.


25 posted on 05/21/2013 7:38:14 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Last Dakotan

I don’t want to second guess anyone on this tradegdy but, I was told that they had 15 minutes warning. If you watch the video of the strom approaching the High School and if the Elementry school had the same busses as did the High School, You can see the busses sitting there and the twister aooroaching @ I think they said 2.5 mph! there is no damage as of yet and hi-ways not blocked, those busses should have been loaded and out to anywhere perpendicular of the storm! the Storm was 2 miles wide. Even @ only 10 miles an hour the busses could have been out of harms way and you know the driver would have been doin max! That would have been my option!


26 posted on 05/21/2013 7:39:28 AM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: penelopesire

A lot of people here have shelters that simply cannot be destroyed by an F-5. You may be buried under rubble, but you aren’t going to die. There are several underground shelters on my block alone. The schools here should have similar safe rooms or shelters that are designed to handle direct hits. I believe both of the demolished schools were relatively new, so they could have been built to protect the children.

I think that’s part of the reason why some parents are so infuriated that the children weren’t released to their parents when it was still safe to do so. From what I understand, some parents actually went to the school, asked for their children, and were turned away (this will need to be confirmed—it’s rumor right now). The parents may have had much better shelters than the school. Like I wrote, in ground shelters are very common in homes here.


27 posted on 05/21/2013 7:41:21 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Dismiss to where?

Some parents were going to the school to pick up their kids and leave the area entirely -- not to return home.

28 posted on 05/21/2013 7:42:08 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Biggirl

It seemed to vary a lot in intensity. At some points, it looked very similar to the May 3rd tornado. It may have reached F-5 at certain points. Unfortunately, the damage seems worse, because a lot of new buildings have went up in Moore since 1999.


29 posted on 05/21/2013 7:45:05 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Last Dakotan

You don’t build basements in OK. There is a reason very few houses have them and those are typically from the 50’s and 60’s and were built to be fallout shelters. The soil makes it extremely difficult. The soil is hard and no matter how well you build the basement, it will eventually leak.

The only way to survive that tornado was to be out of its path or below ground. Below ground is not an option for schools. Because of the timing of the storm and the heavy population where it went through, evacuation was not a good option either. It was only about 30 minutes from clear skies to the tornado sirens going off. In OK, once the sirens go off, schools go on lockdown.

There was only a 50% chance of severe weather yesterday that could possibly produce a tornado. If we closed schools every time that was the forecast, they might as well close school down in mid April for the summer. This was a simply a combination of worst case scenarios.


30 posted on 05/21/2013 7:46:01 AM PDT by okkev68
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To: CitizenUSA

Wrong. As someone else upthread pointed out - there was no time to send for the busses and no point to send kids to an empty home.

You claim this was the parents decision, not the schools. Wrong again. This was an urgent split-second decision. And as long as the children are at school, the responsibility for their safety belongs to the school staff. Certainly if a parent showed up before the tornado to take little Billy home, then fine. But since the kids and their parents had no choice, then I appreicate the decisions officials made.

I’m guessing that more little lives would have been lost if these hundreds of children were just “sent home”.


31 posted on 05/21/2013 7:47:02 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Conserev1

Trust me. You can not move 500 children in 15 minutes.


32 posted on 05/21/2013 7:50:12 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: okkev68

Why would you say “below ground is not an option for schools?” They could build rows of in-ground shelters on the school grounds that are separate from the main building. For younger children that can’t be expected to evacuate safely in rain to external shelters, there could be individual shelters in the classrooms themselves. They could be something similar to ones used in garages.


33 posted on 05/21/2013 7:53:37 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

You can’t move 500 adults under those conditions in 15 minutes.


34 posted on 05/21/2013 7:56:28 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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35 posted on 05/21/2013 7:56:37 AM PDT by deport
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To: Responsibility2nd

I’m not talking about busing the children mere minutes before it hit. I’m talking about parents who showed up early, wanted to evacuate their children, and were told no. Again. Schools do not own the children. Parents bear ultimate responsibility and therefore must have ultimate authority for their own children. Schools do not have the right to keep me from my children!


36 posted on 05/21/2013 7:58:05 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: okkev68

Never knew.


37 posted on 05/21/2013 8:00:34 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I’m sure that is a correct statement but I would have moved as many as I could have.


38 posted on 05/21/2013 8:01:55 AM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: deport

You live in OK?


39 posted on 05/21/2013 8:02:00 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Responsiblity2nd: “Trust me. You can not move 500 children in 15 minutes.”

You are right, but I’m not talking about last minute evacuations or split second decisions. I’m talking about 15 - 30 minutes (or more) before it hit which is plenty of time to release individual students on a case-by-case basis.

As for trying to bus them all out at the last moment, I agree that’s ridiculous. At that point, the best choice is to hunker down and try to ride it out.


40 posted on 05/21/2013 8:02:42 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CitizenUSA

Yeah, I saw your post 27 about that. I hope this is a rumour and not true.


41 posted on 05/21/2013 8:04:38 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

We know a couple at our church who tried to get their children out. The father went to the school 25 minutes early, but the school wouldn’t let him take their child. The mother and their three other children were at home in their private storm shelter. The father went into the class and sheltered with their child in the classroom. Both survived without injuries. Other families in our church have lost their homes, but no deaths or injuries reported. Thank God! Communication is limited, but we have internet/Facebook.


42 posted on 05/21/2013 8:12:30 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Biggirl
And, what does when schools are dismissed for the summer have to do with anything? Last day of school is all over the calendar.
43 posted on 05/21/2013 8:17:05 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in thee shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: CitizenUSA

Amen! Does anyone think those children wouldn’t have felt safer with their parents? Were they crying for their teachers, or their mothers? If they were doomed anyway by the tornado’s path, better they would have been in their homes. I can’t imagine being their parents now. The school year is over, there should have been NO SCHOOL in light of the forecast from the night before for more tornados. Poor babies, poor parents. Those children might not have been safer in their homes,but every one of them wished they were. Just pray for them all, and pray that they learn from this and it never happens again.


44 posted on 05/21/2013 8:17:23 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.Do what)
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To: Gay State Conservative

***And showbiz “progressives” will mock the victims because they’re not from Vermont...or California...or Maryland but...GASP...OKLAHOMA!****

I remember the OKC bombing. The Eastern newscasters progressives began to wring their hands over the belief that those high-plains “rubes and rednecks and Okies” of Flyover Country could not deal with such a disaster!

They were shocked, SHOCKED! with the quick response of rescue teams because of their constant training for tornado disasters.


45 posted on 05/21/2013 8:17:40 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: Conserev1

Moving during these storms is the exact opposite of what is recommended, seek shelter immediately is always the recommended course. Any shelter is far better than being caught in the open or in a vehicle. As you can see form the graphic above Tornadoes shift paths to some degree. Even with 15 minutes moving a large mass of people would never get them all out of the way in time, and the loss could have been worse. Even one full school bus picked up by the winds. Now if parents were there an hour or so before they should have been given their kids, but in the minutes leading up to the actual strike that too would have been an indeed distraction and a risk.


46 posted on 05/21/2013 8:19:28 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: CitizenUSA

My daughter’s elementary school has over 400 children. My son’s high school has 3000 students. Since these in ground shelters can hold about 12-14 students, where do you propose to put 40 to 200 of these 6’x3’ rectangles? You would need a football field and unfortunately, most schools don’t have the space.

Mistakes are always going to be made in pressure situations like this. We learned a lot after the May 3rd, 1999 tornado that has saved hundreds of lives since and probably saved hundreds of lives yesterday. Hopefully, we learn more from this, that will continue to minimize the risk associated with living in OK this time of year. It’s just that today is not the day for armchair qb’s. Emotions are too high to be reasonable and constructive.


47 posted on 05/21/2013 8:19:40 AM PDT by okkev68
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To: okkev68

I grew up in Oklahoma - of course, this was 50 years ago. Everyone had storm shelters. I can remember riding with my Dad as he drove between churches (he preached at one in the morning and another in the afternoon because he had 7 churches) and spotting a funnel cloud. Dad, who loved storms, decided to give chase, which was fun for awhile. Then the funnel turned and we pulled into a farm just in time to join the family in the storm cellar. The thing sucked on the storm door so hard that both the farmer and Dad had to hold it. Oddly enough it missed the barn where the vehicles were parked, but took off one side of the farmhouse. We headed back to the main church because it was home to the Disaster Relief Van and we knew we would need to get it on the road.

I remember a safe room in our school. It was especially built as a storm shelter and would hold the school population. We drilled going there and the teachers would calmly teach right up until the sirens sounded and we’d march off. I understand leaky basements, I just don’t understand the lack of safe rooms.


48 posted on 05/21/2013 8:19:48 AM PDT by Roses0508
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To: angcat

Stop trying to second guess and arm chair quarterback. The people of Oklahoma are probably the most weather savvy people in the country. The National Tornado Center is probably 5 miles from Moore and they still had only 15 minutes notice.


49 posted on 05/21/2013 8:22:06 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in thee shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Biggirl
I cannot understand why it was given an F4 instead.

It is much easier to reevaluate upward than downward, so the initial estimate will be low if there is any doubt. Just imagine trying to convince the media that it was only an EF4 after an initial estimate of EF5.

I looked through the documents which detail what level of damage match each EF level (a real snoozefest) and it was very detailed about how to analyze damage and what types of destruction match what level and how to do statistical analysis on the damage so that one freak collapsing building won't bias the estimate. The EF level is based on the damage (and therefore indirectly wind speed), not the width or the length of time on the ground so you can have a very small, short lived EF5 tornado or a large, long lasting but weak EF1 tornado. This one was big, long lasting and strong, but the first two don't control the EF level.

50 posted on 05/21/2013 8:22:37 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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