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Rand Paul blasts Senate for bullying Apple
Washington Examiner ^ | Tuesday, May 21, 2013 | Charlie Spiering

Posted on 05/21/2013 7:54:10 AM PDT by theruleshavechanged

“I’m offended by a government who convenes a hearing to bully an American success story.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 113th; apple; congress; randpaul; randsconcerntrolls; senate; tax
Well done Sen. Paul. . .
1 posted on 05/21/2013 7:54:10 AM PDT by theruleshavechanged
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To: theruleshavechanged

So what? Apple supports the Rats. So did Microsoft under Clinton. Maybe the libertarian in Paul is appealing to the “Apples” of the U.S. but I wouldn’t hold-or waste- my breath.


2 posted on 05/21/2013 7:57:14 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: DIRTYSECRET

We cannot be partisan in defense of Liberty.

“Liberty and Justice for all”


3 posted on 05/21/2013 7:59:39 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

We cannot be partisan in defense of Liberty.

“Liberty and Justice for all”


4 posted on 05/21/2013 7:59:39 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

We cannot be partisan in defense of Liberty.

“Liberty and Justice for all”


5 posted on 05/21/2013 7:59:39 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Triple

Living up to your name with those repeat posts, I see.


6 posted on 05/21/2013 8:01:42 AM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: theruleshavechanged

I’m not sure Apple is not more of a Chinese success story.


7 posted on 05/21/2013 8:02:28 AM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: theruleshavechanged

our government works hard at running private companies and their employees out of the country.


8 posted on 05/21/2013 8:03:54 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Apple is merely paying protection money. Microsoft learned the hard way that you better pay the ‘rats their share, or they will extract it from you, painfully.

It annoys me to no end that some sniveling RINOs will join the ‘rats in bashing this company for the heinous crime of wanting to hold on to their own damned money, and not heave it worthlessly into the Federal maw. Imbeciles...


9 posted on 05/21/2013 8:04:20 AM PDT by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: theruleshavechanged

They have successfully navigated the minefield set for businesses by legislators to fleece businesses of their revenue.

Show where they broke the law and then hold hearings.

I’m not an apple fan, but I support businesses in the war congress has declared on them.


10 posted on 05/21/2013 8:07:09 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: theruleshavechanged

Rand 2016!

One of the most Pro 2A people out there.


11 posted on 05/21/2013 8:08:03 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: BrewingFrog

Thank you for voicing your opinion. That is the bottom line.


12 posted on 05/21/2013 8:08:20 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Microsoft did nothing political for a long time. The only lobbyist they employed was a single lobbyist who worked in Olympia. True Story.

This was about 1999, I think.

I was there when it happened, and remember where I was when the Clinton Justice Dept. announced it intended to break MS up into six companies.

What happened prior to that, I learned later, was a prominent D senator was dispatched to Gates in Redmond to explain the facts of life to companies the size and power of MSFT. This meeting ended badly, with Gates throwing the Senator out of his office, questioning after him about what the difference was between what this Senator was proposing and bribery.

Gates stepped down, voluntarily, after the Justice Dept. announcement, replaced by Ballmer, who essentially reversed the course of the company very much like Gates did before taking on Netscape.

They went from having no lobbying at all to having one of the most extensive and expensive lobbying operations on Earth. Since then, Ballmer has essentially done sweet f*ck all for the company, but he got all the credit for keeping the company together back then.

Clinton dropped the hammer so hard on MSFT that it literally changed Silicon Valley forever, and all entrepreneurship in the US forever. Now you wouldn’t be caught dead without a BOD with at least one prominent democrat donor or bundler on it. They have become corporate political officers, the way political officers had command level billets on Soviet ships and subs.


13 posted on 05/21/2013 8:10:37 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs

It ended up popping the tech bubble on Wall Street when Janet Reno lowered the boom on Microsoft.


14 posted on 05/21/2013 8:13:17 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: theruleshavechanged
Pelosi must have sold her shares.

http://wire.kapitall.com/investment-idea/the-top-stock-holdings-of-house-minority-leader-nancy-pelosi/

15 posted on 05/21/2013 8:16:14 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
"So what? Apple supports the Rats. "

whoa... way wrong attitude, dude.

I am sure that on reconsideration you will see that this is the same as the demcrats going after the TEA Party with the IRS, and then you will understand "so what"

We absolutely cannot condone the government going after anyone like this, even perceived opponents

16 posted on 05/21/2013 8:24:08 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: theruleshavechanged

no fan of apple (I have one too), but I”m a big fan of blasting the average senator in general! ;)


17 posted on 05/21/2013 8:34:39 AM PDT by swampthang77
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To: RinaseaofDs

The best money a corporation can spend is political donations and lobbyists. Look at what GE has saved in taxes versus their donations and lobbying budget on Capital Hill. Our oppressive government and corporate taxation has made bribing the government the single largest source of “revenue” for a large corporation.

Any surprise the big boys are the best at it?

Our tax code and political system is every bit as corrupt as the third world countries we ridicule. Instead of giving a wad of cash to a politician they donate large sums to politicians using the whole lobbying/advocacy industry they created. It’s all smiles.

Look at the green jobs - they gave pennies on the dollar to the Obama administration in return for billions from the taxpayers. We have created huge numbers of highly profitable advocacy groups where lots of insiders are employed making large salaries on both sides of the aisle. We even have one to protect our 2nd Amendment rights. We give more money to save the whales, save our guns, keep salt out of school lunches, etc etc etc. It’s truly ridiculous, but it’s the only way to do business these days.

Few ask why.

We have become Roman citizens - ignorant and divided while our “leaders” line their own pockets. We have a system created by lawyers, for lawyers, monitored by lawyers, and it largely benefits lawyers and those who hire the best lawyers. There are hundreds of issues with well paid attorney’s and lobbyists in charge on both sides. It’s so bad now that every time our government changes power the advocates for one side or the other get senior executive positions in government before returning to the “private sector” for even more money as an advocate when it’s the turn of the opposition.

Advocacy is highly profitable.


18 posted on 05/21/2013 8:39:47 AM PDT by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: theruleshavechanged

Rand is absolutely correct. It is the fiduciary duty of a corporation and its’ officers to maximize return to the investors/shareholders, to the fullest extent possible within the Law. Apple did that.

The Dems just don’t like that they’ve been beaten at their own game. . .


19 posted on 05/21/2013 8:46:47 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: theruleshavechanged

During the hearing just now, Mclame, the lead RINO, shot off his worthless mouth ttaking up for the Dem chair Levin about not being a bully.

Leave it to Ol Juan Mclame to stick by the Demoncrats instead of someone like Rand


20 posted on 05/21/2013 8:47:26 AM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: Salgak

Bingo. Great post.


21 posted on 05/21/2013 8:48:13 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

The hearing is on CSpan now.


22 posted on 05/21/2013 8:54:45 AM PDT by aimhigh (Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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To: theruleshavechanged
Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., fired back at Paul for his criticism reminding him that Apple had dodged taxes by moving assets overseas.

By reducing the taxes Apple has to pay, it is able to save more,productively expend more, and increase its capital accumulation. These are highly beneficial to production. They increase demand for capital goods and accumulation of capital goods and increase demand for labor. Increase in demand for capital goods leads to increase in total ability to produce and total production, which leads to increased supply and lower prices to consumers. Increase in demand for labor leads to higher wage rates and increases in employment.All of these help raise the standard of living of the average wage earner.

23 posted on 05/21/2013 9:16:15 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Salgak
"Rand is absolutely correct. It is the fiduciary duty of a corporation and its’ officers to maximize return to the investors/shareholders, to the fullest extent possible within the Law. Apple did that."

That means they could even sell out the country's military in order to make a bigger buck and building loopholes in the tax law to permit 'fullest extent within the Law' is OK for an American company. American company, my arse, they are an international pirating company. They should be honored to pay taxes to the greatest country in the world for what they have been able to achieve.

24 posted on 05/21/2013 9:24:47 AM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: RinaseaofDs

What happened prior to that, I learned later, was a prominent D senator was dispatched to Gates in Redmond to explain the facts of life to companies the size and power of MSFT. This meeting ended badly, with Gates throwing the Senator out of his office, questioning after him about what the difference was between what this Senator was proposing and bribery.

If Gates had any smarts he would have had that entire meeting recorded and then put a video of it on every windows Install Disc....

But he didn’t and now MS is just as corrupt as the rest of the big businesses that are in bed with the Government....


25 posted on 05/21/2013 9:30:50 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: volunbeer

When big businesses and government use each other to help keep the upstart small and medium businesses down we have a Corporate Big Government/Business Monopoly that is Tyranny against Free Enterprise....


26 posted on 05/21/2013 9:32:52 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: ex-snook

Senator Levin, what a surprise to find you here on FreeRepublic. . .


27 posted on 05/21/2013 9:41:15 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: ex-snook

Oh lord, did you forget your invitation to the Occupy forum?


28 posted on 05/21/2013 10:01:55 AM PDT by SSDecontrol
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To: theruleshavechanged

Apple and Google supports the loons and fringes of the left, maybe he needs to shout how this Govt is breaking the law, this is not America, wiretapping phones, spying, cover ups, lies,


29 posted on 05/21/2013 10:10:50 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: eartick

He was a lousy presidential candidate and a lousy senator


30 posted on 05/21/2013 10:14:09 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: theruleshavechanged

There are still American corporations that have an element of patriotism and desire for the USA to succeed and their policies reflect it.

Then there are global multinational corporations who could care less about the USA except as a place to market their products and lobby and corrupt our legislators. They are often foreigners who see our USA sovereignty as a thorn in their side. They will maneuver any which way they can to weaken sovereignty and avoid any kind of financial support for the USA. Instead of them paying their share, they finagle the politicians, and crony capitalist system, so taxpayers are forced to become part of their revenue stream and business plan...and it occurs through extortion and not sale of products.

We have complete departments in government working on behest of pols and dedicated to forcing taxpayers to subsidize Hollywood, pro sports, corporate expansion, banks. The business plan was once about risk reward with private money. Now it is about corporations bribing crooked pols who will give the corporations that pay no taxes our taxpayer money.

I put Apple in the latter.


31 posted on 05/21/2013 10:18:27 AM PDT by apoliticalone (Banksters are coming for your retirement, pensions & property. But first they want your firearms)
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To: RinaseaofDs

>> with Gates throwing the Senator out of his office

Odd that Gates has such an affinity for the Democrat party.


32 posted on 05/21/2013 11:14:58 AM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: apoliticalone

THANK YOU. Some are asked to contribute more than money.

33 posted on 05/21/2013 11:39:38 AM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: theruleshavechanged

Why isn’t Obama there? His recent tax return showed he used the same “gimmicks” Apple did to reduce his tax burden.


34 posted on 05/21/2013 11:52:05 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: GraceG

“When big businesses and government use each other to help keep the upstart small and medium businesses down we have a Corporate Big Government/Business Monopoly that is Tyranny against Free Enterprise....”


Amen to that. Many of the pundits and paid politicians have tried to convince their followers and sheep that big global business in bed with big US government is a conservative point of view. They are wrong.

Small business and small government and big US business working together and risking private capital to make the USA a stronger nation is the conservative POV. We’re being hoodwinked into giving up rights and sovereignty and subsidies by the Apples and Microsofts and many on Wall St.


35 posted on 05/21/2013 12:03:27 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Banksters are coming for your retirement, pensions & property. But first they want your firearms)
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To: RinaseaofDs
Interesting.

You think Bill Gates would still be running Microsoft if Clinton and Reno hadn't dropped the hammer on Redmond...?

Ballmer has been a disaster.

36 posted on 05/21/2013 12:24:50 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: GraceG

Any chance you would know who the prominent D Senator was...?


37 posted on 05/21/2013 12:27:34 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: theruleshavechanged

Every successful company is at risk of being bullied by the rats and their RINO accomplices. The government had already ruined AIG and its shareholders.


38 posted on 05/21/2013 12:39:48 PM PDT by sun7
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To: BrewingFrog

I agree but do note that those same companies, who want to keep their own money, are manned and run by people who continue to vote in the members of a party keen on taking that money. Why so many high-tech executives are enamored by democrats and the Left has always been a mystery to me.

And it’s not only an Apple thing, most all do it.


39 posted on 05/21/2013 12:40:04 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: theruleshavechanged

Carl Levin and his punk a$$ brother are leeches. John McCain is too. A bunch of worthless stupid hacks that could not run a lawn mowing service. They have no talent and never created, invented or ran anything of value. They are in the same league as your average welfare queen. And about as smart.

I’m convinced that at some point Carl Levin will be parting the hair under his arm pit up and over his head.

You know what the difference is between Carl Levin/John McCain and Rand Paul? Rand Paul can still get and erection. So can Ted Cruze. They are men. Most of Congress, and you can add the speaker of the house to the list, are wimpy little ants.


40 posted on 05/21/2013 1:04:28 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (NO MORE IRS!)
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To: Alas Babylon!

One reason may be those executives are making so much money so quickly they don’t mind the poor getting more crumbs, and they erroneously buy into the perception that the rats care more about the poor. So it makes them feel better about themselves supporting the rats.


41 posted on 05/21/2013 1:06:54 PM PDT by sun7
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To: theruleshavechanged

We had a congressional hearing Today where Apple was being berated for a tax code...the same tax code for which Senator’s campaign donations have benefited from every added page and for every so-called “loophole”.

It was the height of hipocracy.

And...John McCain is a disgraceful fool.


42 posted on 05/21/2013 1:56:55 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Gene Eric

Gates didn’t care about politics, at all, until he was forced to care about politics.

He bailed because he just doesn’t have a gear for it. He just built this massive Taj Majal in the middle of the south part of Lake Union by the Seattle Center. It is massive. It’s the HQ of his non-profit.

It’s as if all these mega rich guys have been told, “You may be rich, that’s true, and if you come up with some discontinuous innovation that screws the rest of us, you’ll be a dead rich guy too.”

It’s the only reason why you see all the rich people working around the margins when problems like world hunger ACTUALLY have a price tag for a permanent fix. I believe the number is $29B, which is nothing for a couple of guys like Gates and Buffett to raise.

DCA is a drug WE KNOW cures a giant list of cancers. It’s also a public domain compound, which means if you want to use it legally in the US, you have to pay the $500M to put it through the FDA’s approval process. You then may have to pay extra for each family of cancers you use it on, but that may not be true if the method of action is identical and the side effects are the same.

DCA works by restoring a cell’s ability to commit suicide rather than be used as a way to mestastasize. Cancer can’t happen because affected cells kill themselves before they can be exploited.

You can patent an application of an existing drug, but they are tough to defend against infringement. Also, the cancer industry is multi billion dollar and then some.

Anyone in my family getting cancer will likely end up going to Central Europe, or Singapore, for treatment.

There are giant problems with solutions available and nobody is moving the ball anymore.

Do I think he’d be running the company still if the Clinton Admin hadn’t injected themselves into it?

Don’t know about that. Once Myrvhold convinced Gates that the internet was the future, and Netscape Browser was the new operating system of the future, he turned the company literally overnight onto the new objective and whacked Netscape.

One of the most impressive displays of corporate leadership I’ve ever witnessed.

Ballmer missed the phone, hell, missed everything. Around Microsoft, every time somebody promising does something worthy of corporate leadership, there is a dead pool around how long it will be until Ballmer has him whacked.

Last guy whacked was the guy who delivered Windows 7, which is a landmark operating system in the same way NT was.

Ballmer can’t tolerate competence. He’s got the BOD by the short hairs apparently.

Morale within Microsoft is abysmal. Anything that’s happened since Win7 has been an unmitigated failure.

So what’s he up to? Trying to bring an NBA franchise back to Seattle. His company is on fire, but clearly that’s more important.


43 posted on 05/21/2013 2:12:16 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: theruleshavechanged

One more thing. During the time when Clinton was trying to bust up MSFT, Paul Allen said, “I can’t believe that our own government would do this to the company that enabled the economy we have today, that they’d go after a company that was started by a couple of 19 year olds.”

He was visibly dismayed by what was going down.


44 posted on 05/21/2013 2:14:14 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs

I enjoyed reading your comment.


45 posted on 05/21/2013 3:45:21 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: theruleshavechanged

Apple’s real sin is making its expensive product with cheap Chinese labor.


46 posted on 05/21/2013 3:49:59 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: BrewingFrog; DIRTYSECRET

Exactly, you pay up the political protection money or you get audited by every government agency. It becomes a federal whack the pinata party and they will beat on the company until the goodies flow freely.


47 posted on 05/21/2013 6:34:11 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can’t solve a problem with brute force, they’ll find a way to fix it with brute forc)
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To: theruleshavechanged

I have finally found the silver lining to the Obama years: you no longer need to read Atlas Shrugged. It’s happening in real time. Good thing, because it’s a really long read that meanders around a good bit between the good parts.


48 posted on 05/21/2013 6:45:53 PM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: GraceG

When big businesses and government use each other to help keep the upstart small and medium businesses down we have a Corporate Big Government/Business Monopoly that is Tyranny against Free Enterprise....


Well said and I agree. This is tyranny. Tyranny for profit by the few at the expense of many. Sadly, too many of us fail to realize that we pay for advocacy on our side and only feed the beast - nothing changes. We are all busy trying to stomp on the mice without seeing the elephant standing in front of us.


49 posted on 05/21/2013 6:55:27 PM PDT by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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50 posted on 05/21/2013 7:59:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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