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Right-wing historian shoots himself in Notre Dame cathedral 'in protest at gay marriage'
Daily Mail ^ | May 21, 2013 | Sam Webb

Posted on 05/21/2013 10:32:00 AM PDT by LonelyCon

A right-wing historian shot himself dead in front of hundreds of tourists at the altar of Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris today, apparently in protest at France's legalisation of gay marriage. Dominique Venner, who had recently been campaigning against gay marriage in France, is said to have calmly walked past the crowds milling around the 850-year-old Cathedral, one of the most popular tourist sites in the world, before taking out a Herstal automatic pistol. The 78-year-old put the gun in his mouth and fired before collapsing on to the altar, according to French media reports.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cathedral; france; homosexualagenda; suicide; venner

1 posted on 05/21/2013 10:32:00 AM PDT by LonelyCon
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To: LonelyCon

Boy howdy, that’ll show’em.


2 posted on 05/21/2013 10:33:09 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: LonelyCon

That was a horrifically selfish act that will do no good whatsoever. I only hope he was not in his right mind.


3 posted on 05/21/2013 10:33:25 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: LonelyCon

"Suicide Squad...ATTACK!"

4 posted on 05/21/2013 10:34:31 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: LonelyCon

Why would one have to be “right wing” to disapporve of Gay “marriage?

The pistol was not “automatic”.

This reminds me of the Buddhist Monks who set themselves on fire in VietNam to protest. The media thought they were so-o-o cool and noble


5 posted on 05/21/2013 10:35:16 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Dr. Sivana

Agreed.


6 posted on 05/21/2013 10:35:57 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: LonelyCon

Later there will be a gay marriage there to protest suicide.


7 posted on 05/21/2013 10:36:50 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: LonelyCon

Dumbass


8 posted on 05/21/2013 10:36:53 AM PDT by MattinNJ (It's over Johnny. The America you knew is gone. Denial serves no purpose.)
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To: LonelyCon
I'm not sure what desecrating the altar at the most revered cathedral in France accomplishes.

Now Notre Dame may have to be reconsecrated for the first time since the Revolution.

(I don't know if it has required it since.)

9 posted on 05/21/2013 10:37:16 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: LonelyCon

Western Civilization is committing suicide before G-d.

This man just did so more literally.


10 posted on 05/21/2013 10:38:17 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (WHO IS ON THE ENEMIES LIST?)
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To: Dr. Sivana

I don’t even like the way the press calls these events “protests” against some issue. You have a sick, disturbed person who killed himself for internal reasons that have little, if anything, to do with gay marriage. Gay marriage may have prompted it but this was not some rational person being so upset about gay marriage that he killed himself.


11 posted on 05/21/2013 10:39:51 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Dr. Sivana
It is very sad. But I would not call it selfish.

There are surely better ways to protest the societal corruption of values, reason & integrity, than punishing oneself.

People in the throes of despair, though, are often not really in their "right mind."

William Flax

12 posted on 05/21/2013 10:41:23 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: LonelyCon

So, what exactly is a right wing historian??? a fascist, like many of the progressives in the Obama administration? a Goldwater Republican? a segregationist? What was it that caused the historian to be labeled, right wing? What exactly is it about opposing Gay Marriage that is considered right wing?

Standing up for freedom speech, religion and thought? Is that the new description of right wing?


13 posted on 05/21/2013 10:42:12 AM PDT by Eva
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To: LonelyCon

Who gets his stuff if they divorce?


14 posted on 05/21/2013 10:44:28 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: LonelyCon

forget my last, wrong thread...


15 posted on 05/21/2013 10:45:28 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: LonelyCon

forget my last, wrong thread...


16 posted on 05/21/2013 10:45:29 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Dr. Sivana; LonelyCon
Horrible. A hell-bent and really hell-worthy action ...if he was in control of himself (i.e. not drunk, on drugs, or psychotically disabled.)

Let us pray for the repose of his soul, may the Lord have mercy on all tempted by despair. And may the Lord heal the frightened hearts of the many who witnessed this ultimate selfish act.

17 posted on 05/21/2013 10:45:32 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can obseve a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: LonelyCon

Hardly a route I would take, but I can’t deny the symbolism. If anything reflects the suicidal degeneration of Western Civilization, it’s this fag marriage insanity. If America decides to fully embrace this evil, I’ll be cheering for the country to burn to the ground.


18 posted on 05/21/2013 10:46:23 AM PDT by greene66
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To: LonelyCon

How “”nice of them to distinguish right-wing suicide

(as compared to left-wing spray shooting of innocents).


19 posted on 05/21/2013 10:47:01 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: LonelyCon

Sad. RIP.


20 posted on 05/21/2013 10:55:15 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: wideawake

The man might have been disturbed but I doubt God will look upon that man’s blood as being as desecrating to the church as he does upon the immorality of the surrounding nations! His own blood will be upon his own head after all, not the church itself; but Christ’s shed blood for our sins has been rejected by modern men and this has become an affront to the CHURCH at large!


21 posted on 05/21/2013 11:01:51 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Rest assured, Mankind is loved....both completely and severely!)
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To: LonelyCon
Well, if one is determined to make such a statement swallowing a bullet has got to be less painful than this.


22 posted on 05/21/2013 11:05:15 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Uncle Miltie

True. Oh man, you got that right.


23 posted on 05/21/2013 11:07:56 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can obseve a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: shalom aleichem

Too bad muzzies don’t take that approach. We could have a pig roast.


24 posted on 05/21/2013 11:19:08 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: mdmathis6

I thought that suicide was an affront to the church. Since one sin is as great as others he basically died committing a sin.


25 posted on 05/21/2013 11:21:11 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: LonelyCon

Oh Lord!


26 posted on 05/21/2013 11:27:31 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: shalom aleichem

I wasn’t familiar with the pistol, so I looked and yes it’s an automatic (being auto loading).

I hate how they just automatically label this guy as right wing, yet it won’t matter now if they offer an apology now or not because the damage is done.


27 posted on 05/21/2013 11:36:47 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: LonelyCon

Le kook.


28 posted on 05/21/2013 11:37:34 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: shalom aleichem; Eva
He was certainly "rightwing," at least as the term is used in French politics.

"Mr Venner, who was awarded a prestigious prize by l'Académie française for one of his historical works, was a former member of the Secret Army Organisation (OAS), the paramilitary group which fought against France giving up Algeria as a colony.

He was jailed for 18 months in La Santé Prison as a political undesirable for his role in the ultra-national organisation and was freed in 1962.

29 posted on 05/21/2013 11:42:38 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

I disagree. I see it no different as the monks who immolated themselves.


30 posted on 05/21/2013 11:59:05 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: greene66

If America does the same, I’ll join this fellow.


31 posted on 05/21/2013 12:01:41 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Let us pray for the repose of his soul, may the Lord have mercy on all tempted by despair. And may the Lord heal the frightened hearts of the many who witnessed this ultimate selfish act.
Amen!
32 posted on 05/21/2013 12:52:00 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Don’t. Please value our eternal salvation.


33 posted on 05/21/2013 12:58:01 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Christus vincit! Christus regnat! Christus imperat!)
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To: Eva
It sounds like he was a French nationalist. He was right-wing in the sense of being opposed to the left, but not any sort of libertarian or free marketeer, not a garden variety conservative and not especially religious.

One thing about his sort: they aren't necessarily religious believers. They value the Church as a part of France's Western heritage, but don't necessarily believe in a God or in Jesus Christ.

Another thing: they have trouble coming to terms with the fact that many "right-wing nationalists" supported France's collaborationist Vichy government during the war -- or maybe they don't have trouble with it.

It's hard to tell from Venner's wiki page. He seems to be in a gray area somewhere between enthusiasm and disapproval when it comes to fascism.

So he's not really much like today's American conservatives. He really did like guns, though, judging from all the books he wrote about them.

34 posted on 05/21/2013 1:04:41 PM PDT by x
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To: Resolute Conservative

The Lord who looks upon the hearts of men will ultimately judge. Those who are leaders of the CHURCH at large(catholic and protestant) should concern themselves with those things in our world that are affront to God, not an affront to their various notions of orthodoxy!

The blood of men can be cleansed and wiped away but it is the Blood of Christ that cleanses men from all unrighteousness. If the Church at Large is so concerned with those things that are an affront to it instead of to God, then it has forgotten its message! What God has spiritually consecrated, no actions of men can undo that consecration!


35 posted on 05/21/2013 1:26:46 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Rest assured, Mankind is loved....both completely and severely!)
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To: Bulwyf

well they call such pistols “semi-automatic” as opposed to “full automatic” or automatic like a machine gun, pull trigger one time and it shoots until the magazine or clip is empty.


36 posted on 05/21/2013 2:16:39 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Ohioan; Dr. Sivana
It is very sad. But I would not call it selfish.

I have to agree with Dr. Sivana. Suicide is a selfish act. The only person who receives any "benefit" from this act is the person who's life is now over. The people at the Cathedral have been aggrieved. The family of the man who took his own life are aggrieved.

37 posted on 05/21/2013 4:03:39 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: dead

Thanks for that background info - revealing.

This sad and dramatic case reminds me of the murder of the ArchBishop of Paris, in 1857, at a church just near Notre Dame. A deranged priest killed the ArchBishop to protest against the newly proclaimed dogma of the Immaculate Conception.


38 posted on 05/21/2013 6:22:25 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Does a Marine who rolls over on a grenade to save his buddies go to Hell?


39 posted on 05/21/2013 6:26:02 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: JCBreckenridge

That would be really stupid.


40 posted on 05/21/2013 10:07:45 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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